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Thauros posted:Have there been any in ring deaths over the last 30 years for major promotions besides Misawa and Oro? What about indies?
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Are we counting Miss Elizabeth as a "wrestler"?
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LividLiquid posted:I used to hear movie critics use terms like that when talking about third acts. Whoever suggested it to him on Twitter probably read it somewhere and thought it sounded cool. Feel-Good Move of the Summer
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Gavok posted:Miz came up with the move first and then farmed out what to call it via Twitter. His only rule was that it couldn't have his name in it (ie. "the Mizaster"). That's apparently the best answer he saw. He wanted to pick The BFF (Best Fuckin' Finisher), but he wasn't allowed to. I don't know why I remember that.
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Red posted:Are we counting Miss Elizabeth as a "wrestler"? She regularly jobbed to Randy Savage.
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Karma Tornado posted:He wanted to pick The BFF (Best Fuckin' Finisher), but he wasn't allowed to. I don't know why I remember that. Plus, you could spin it PG friendly too "Best Friends Forever, your face and the mat" or something. Which reminds me... so Cena's finisher goes from the F-U to the AA (Attitude Adjustment), which is fine, since the original reason behind the name (feud with Lesnar who has the f-5 as his finisher name) is years old, and it's a little more family friendly. So, uh... why KEEP the name "Five Knuckle Shuffle"? eta: Then again I do love kinda meta finisher names, like Brian Kendrick's "Sliced Bread" and Icarus' "Blu-Ray".
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Endless Mike posted:She regularly jobbed to Randy Savage. Pfft, who'd he ever beat? (I'm so sorry)
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SirDippingSauce posted:Plus, you could spin it PG friendly too "Best Friends Forever, your face and the mat" or something. Sliced Bread #2, which is part of the joke.
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SirDippingSauce posted:Plus, you could spin it PG friendly too "Best Friends Forever, your face and the mat" or something. I think on NXT Sasha Banks and Summer Rae are now calling themselves "The BFFs", but it stands "Bold Fierce Fabulous" or something along those lines.
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Perry Normal posted:I think on NXT Sasha Banks and Summer Rae are now calling themselves "The BFFs", but it stands "Bold Fierce Fabulous" or something along those lines. "Beautiful Fierce Females". Awesome heel group.
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Thauros posted:Have there been any in ring deaths over the last 30 years for major promotions besides Misawa and Oro? What about indies? Plum Mariko died in 1997 after taking a ligerbomb. Apparently she was the first person to die due to in-ring injuries in Japan. She was wrestling for JWP Joshi Puroresu.
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Domalom posted:Plum Mariko died in 1997 after taking a ligerbomb. Apparently she was the first person to die due to in-ring injuries in Japan. She was wrestling for JWP Joshi Puroresu. It depends on what "in-ring" means because at least one student was killed while training at the NJPW dojo prior to that.
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I think it meant an actual wrestling match. Looking around theres Emiko Kado who died in 1999 after a blow to the head about 2 months into her career. Misawa, Plum Mariko, Kado, Oro and Daniel Quirk all seem to have died from injuries sustained in the ring during matches. More died of heart attacks in the ring. Chris Candido too I suppose?
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Red posted:Are we counting Miss Elizabeth as a "wrestler"?
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Halloween Jack posted:I'm excluding non-wrestling performers, such as referees, managers, valets, announcers, and commentators, unless they spent a meaningful portion of their career as a wrestler. Same for promoters and bookers. So Sherri Martel and Gorilla Monsoon are in, but Nancy Benoit and The Grand Wizard are not. Your methodology is sound, as it also disqualifies Fifi Dupree.
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Karma Tornado posted:He wanted to pick The BFF (Best Fuckin' Finisher), but he wasn't allowed to. I don't know why I remember that.
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Halloween Jack posted:This was asked in the picture thread. I'm currently in the process of making a spreadsheet of every notable deceased wrestler I can find with their birth year, death year, age, and cause of death. It currently stands at 167 corpses and will go on until I run out of notable wrestlers or get sick of the whole idea. Hey if you're not planning on using this for anything else a friend of mine is a statistician guy and would be interested in running the numbers.
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triplexpac posted:Is there a story behind the name "Skull Crushing Finale"? It always sounds so awkward I'm pretty sure he was taking suggestions for a finisher name on Twitter? It sounds too dumb to be true, but I think he may actually have asked his Twitter followers to name his new finisher before they'd actually seen the move, and Skull Crushing Finale was the only suggestion that tied in with the visual image of the move he had in mind?
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Tyma posted:I'm pretty sure he was taking suggestions for a finisher name on Twitter? It sounds too dumb to be true, but I think he may actually have asked his Twitter followers to name his new finisher before they'd actually seen the move, and Skull Crushing Finale was the only suggestion that tied in with the visual image of the move he had in mind? Maybe he just said "Remember Jericho's facebuster legsweep thing? It's that. That exact move." Man, that move is so cool on paper, but loving blows out loud in real life.
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rotinaj posted:Man, that move is so cool on paper, but loving blows out loud in real life. That's a pretty apt description of The Miz if you get rid of the first half of the sentence.
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Karma Tornado posted:He wanted to pick The BFF (Best Fuckin' Finisher), but he wasn't allowed to. I don't know why I remember that. Yet John Cena still has his submission finisher the Shut the gently caress.
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that reminds me: when did the FU become the Attitude Adjustment? I mean I know it was changed in the shift from TV-14 to TV-PG, but was it like, immediate? did they acknowledge it at all or was it one day just called the Attitude Adjustment and that's it?
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Cardboard Box posted:that reminds me: when did the FU become the Attitude Adjustment? I mean I know it was changed in the shift from TV-14 to TV-PG, but was it like, immediate? did they acknowledge it at all or was it one day just called the Attitude Adjustment and that's it? for a time they just called it John Cena's signature move after his Survivor Series 08 return i think before they started using the AA name.
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Cardboard Box posted:that reminds me: when did the FU become the Attitude Adjustment? I mean I know it was changed in the shift from TV-14 to TV-PG, but was it like, immediate? did they acknowledge it at all or was it one day just called the Attitude Adjustment and that's it? I remember an article about it on wwe.com. Cena said something along the lines of "that's what everyone calls it but to me it's always been the AA".
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MisterGBH posted:I remember an article about it on wwe.com. Cena said something along the lines of "that's what everyone calls it but to me it's always been the AA".  I didn't even know what an "Attitude Adjustment" meant until I looked it up at the time. It just comes across as demeaning to his opponents. Perigryn fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Dec 12, 2013 |
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Thank you, lonely looking clerk at my local comic book shop for trying to sell me on this comic the entire time I was in the store. Without you, I would never have gotten this reference.
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WadeBartender posted:for a time they just called it John Cena's signature move after his Survivor Series 08 return i think before they started using the AA name. A long time; they didn't know what to call it so it was just met with a mix of silence and generic "OH MY" reactions from the announcers. It was funny.
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Perry Normal posted:Thank you, lonely looking clerk at my local comic book shop for trying to sell me on this comic the entire time I was in the store. Without you, I would never have gotten this reference. 
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A poster here actually thought it was called "the Victory" bc Cole kept saying "he's going for the victory."
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Perigryn posted:I just learned of it last week through Comixology and the BBS forum. Saga's discounted on Amazon right now, everyone go buy it along Mick Foley's new comic.
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epitasis posted:Hey if you're not planning on using this for anything else a friend of mine is a statistician guy and would be interested in running the numbers. Actually, if he wants to talk methods have him contact me at DJJackBalfour at gmail dot com. Currently I'm wrestling with notability guidelines. After including everyone from deadwrestlers.net (which is a surprisingly good list of everyone semi-famous who's died since 1990) and all posthumous inductees to the WON and NWA halls of fame, I'm going off of Gary Will's gargantuan list of deceased wrestlers. I currently have 258 prograps corpses on my list, and Gary's list has 133 entries for the letter B. Most of those guys, however, are only known by entries on lists of deceased wrestlers, and an article on a site like wrestlingdata.net or cagematch.net which establishes that they wrestled on a handful of cards in a single territory. I'm not including those people; I specifically want to exclude people who only had a brief, part-time career in a single promotion or region. I'm also excluding pioneer-era folkstyle wrestlers who are known to have wrestled, for example, Georg Hackenschmidt, because I can't verify if they ever worked their matches. Thus far, I've been excluding people whose identity can only be established by a decades-old news article asserting that they died in a match. This raises a tricky question, because I'm inclined to exclude those people, I've been including much more recent deaths of workers who are only really notable for having died in in-ring accidents, such as Emiko Kado. Since the goal of the project is to examine mortality among wrestlers, I'm afraid that following my current guideline is skewing toward my bias that wrestlers dying young is largely a product of the television/boom eras. What do you all think? Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Dec 12, 2013 |
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Cardboard Box posted:that reminds me: when did the FU become the Attitude Adjustment? I mean I know it was changed in the shift from TV-14 to TV-PG, but was it like, immediate? did they acknowledge it at all or was it one day just called the Attitude Adjustment and that's it? They literally started calling it the Attitude Adjustment one week like it had always been called that. I clearly remember this being awkward as gently caress because they called it the FU at the PPV before that, and then on Raw maybe a week or two later Lawler just busts out "He calls that the Attitude Adjustment!" in a match and they kept calling it that afterward. No explanation or reason, it was just renamed. Does anyone remember the promo where Cena in his rapper gimmick named his finisher to parody Brock Lesnar's F-5? I remember him saying something like "You've got the F-5, mine's the F-U."
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Seeing the new Curtis Axel shirt made me wonder, how long has WWE been releasing merchandise for heels? I could have sworn that in the early 90s, it was strictly faces that had merchandise, I don't ever recall seeing any for heels. Not counting tweener stuff like DX and Austin, when did they first start releasing merch for straight-up heels?
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Cromulent posted:Seeing the new Curtis Axel shirt made me wonder, how long has WWE been releasing merchandise for heels? I could have sworn that in the early 90s, it was strictly faces that had merchandise, I don't ever recall seeing any for heels. Not counting tweener stuff like DX and Austin, when did they first start releasing merch for straight-up heels? Since always. I definitely remember Andre shirts well after he was a heel and Demolition merch before they turned face. I'm pretty sure the iconic Macho Man shirt first appeared when he was still heel, but I could be wrong on that one.  flashy_mcflash fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Dec 12, 2013 |
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Cromulent posted:Seeing the new Curtis Axel shirt made me wonder, how long has WWE been releasing merchandise for heels? I could have sworn that in the early 90s, it was strictly faces that had merchandise, I don't ever recall seeing any for heels. Not counting tweener stuff like DX and Austin, when did they first start releasing merch for straight-up heels? In the '80s everyone had merchandise. Think of the "Hot Rod!' shirt, or the lavender "Macho Man" shirt.
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sticklefifer posted:They literally started calling it the Attitude Adjustment one week like it had always been called that. I clearly remember this being awkward as gently caress because they called it the FU at the PPV before that, and then on Raw maybe a week or two later Lawler just busts out "He calls that the Attitude Adjustment!" in a match and they kept calling it that afterward. No explanation or reason, it was just renamed. Yeah, it was during the weird period where Brock was a babyface, but they had no good heels for him, so he wrestled Bob Holly and a way-too-soon Cena. The promos Cena cut were good though, very intense about how Brock should've finished the job when he'd done an injury angle a few months prior, and now Cena would make him regret it. Also he implied Brock has a small dick.
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Gaz-L posted:Yeah, it was during the weird period where Brock was a babyface, but they had no good heels for him, so he wrestled Bob Holly and a way-too-soon Cena. The promos Cena cut were good though, very intense about how Brock should've finished the job when he'd done an injury angle a few months prior, and now Cena would make him regret it. "Ya hop around like you got potatoes in your crack/ Oh, and that's a nice tattoo... OF YOUR MOMMA ON YOUR BACK"
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