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Khizan
Jul 30, 2013


Here's the differences between Mistborn and Lies of Locke Lamora.

Lies of Locke Lamora is a loving brilliant masterpiece and easily the best book in the genre in the last decade or more. It's got great characterization, great dialogue, great prose. The plotting is excellent and tight and the worldbuilding is fantastic and interesting.

Mistborn has an interesting magic system.

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Krakkles
May 5, 2003



Come on, March 4th ...

Subvisual Haze
Nov 22, 2003

The building was on fire and it wasn't my fault.
The tone between Mistborn and Locke is completely different.

Lynch is a shut in who suffers from major depression so his books are dark to an almost comical degree.

Sanderson is a Mormon ultra-nerd, so even when he's writing about enslavement, genocide, or the death of all life on a planet it's still a pretty light read.

veekie
Dec 25, 2007

Dice of Chaos

Krakkles posted:



Come on, March 4th ...

At some point they're going to need a new binding method.

cryptoclastic
Jul 3, 2003

The Jesus

keiran_helcyan posted:

The tone between Mistborn and Locke is completely different.

Lynch is a shut in who suffers from major depression so his books are dark to an almost comical degree.

Sanderson is a Mormon ultra-nerd, so even when he's writing about enslavement, genocide, or the death of all life on a planet it's still a pretty light read.

I didn't like Locke that much. Maybe it was the mood I was in at the time, but the cursing and violence honestly turned me off a little. The cursing more than anything, which is weird. I read it right after Steelheart, so maybe going from Sanderson's made up curses to so many real profanities was just too jarring. It was still a decent book, but I am in no hurry to read the sequels.

theshim
May 1, 2012

You think you can defeat ME, Ephraimcopter?!?

You couldn't even beat Assassincopter!!!
I'll second The Black Prism by Brent Weeks. It uses a system of color magic that I describe to my friends as Sandersonesque - by which I mean it's got consistent rules and a full system all planned out ahead of time, just like Sanderson's magic systems (or at least it sure seems so). And this is color magic where different colors all do different things, as opposed to Warbreaker where it was simply color in general.

Aggro
Apr 24, 2003

STRONG as an OX and TWICE as SMART
Is Brent Weeks the same guy that did Night Angel? I thought that series was entertaining, but the prose was pretty average. I read it over the course of two flights.

I'm still waiting for the guy that did Blood Song to write more. That book was an amazing work, especially for someone's first novel.

MildShow
Jan 4, 2012

Aggro posted:

I'm still waiting for the guy that did Blood Song to write more. That book was an amazing work, especially for someone's first novel.

You're in luck. The second novel, Tower Lord, is up for preorder on Amazon already.

Democratic Pirate
Feb 17, 2010

According to my kindle I'm about 35% of my way through Lies of Locke Lamore and I'm enjoying it. More violent and cursing than Sanderson's stuff yes, but nothing too bad so far.

Xenix
Feb 21, 2003

MildShow posted:

You're in luck. The second novel, Tower Lord, is up for preorder on Amazon already.

But it's not out until July :(

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

INSERT QUACK TO CONTINUE


Taco Defender

Democratic Pirate posted:

According to my kindle I'm about 35% of my way through Lies of Locke Lamore and I'm enjoying it. More violent and cursing than Sanderson's stuff yes, but nothing too bad so far.

You've got a ways to go. It definitely gets more intense. Some of the descriptions later on were . . . vivid.

Spoiler for later in the book: Sage Kindness, for example. Massaging broken glass into somebody's face isn't a mental image I'll likely forget.

Democratic Pirate
Feb 17, 2010

Yeah that part was pretty icky. However, most of my horror and shock was used up reading the judges sentencing of the singer from the band LostProphets for hardcore pedophelia. I wouldn't recommend reading that to anyone, whereas I'm hooked on this book.

HidaO-Win
Jun 5, 2013

"And I did it, because I was a man who had exhausted reason and thus turned to magicks"

elmer fud posted:

That was amazing. I'm still confused about all of the orders. What does he mean I wasn't sure which one you'd be? When he said she was an edge dancer. Does that mean each spren has two orders bound to it?

Loving the preview chapter with a hapless mentor playing the opposite of the usual inscrutable instructor and trying to desperately explain the worlds mechanics to an uninterested superpowered girl. If only she'd listen, we'd learn more!

HeroOfTheRevolution
Apr 26, 2008

MildShow posted:

You're in luck. The second novel, Tower Lord, is up for preorder on Amazon already.

Oh thank god...

Lynch had the title of fantasy novel wunderkind and then squandered it (though to be fair because of personal mental health and relationship issues). Patrick Rothfuss also squandered that title by being a genuine weirdo who writes hundreds of pages of weird fairy porn into his books.

Anthony Ryan is the new fantasy wunderkind and from reading his blog I feel like he's on the right road to avoid the pitfalls. Blood Song was amazing so I really hope book two lives up to it.

Sanderson was never a wunderkind because Sanderson displays the more common progression - crap, ok, better, awesome. And then the less common occurrence of continuing to write really good poo poo at an incredible clip. Sanderson and Erikson are your representatives of that crew.

Democratic Pirate
Feb 17, 2010

Finished Locke, thought it was great but definitely more of a depressing tone throughout. Are the sequels worth picking up?

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!
Red Seas was reasonable, I haven't picked up Republic of Thieves yet. I'll probably wait for the paperback.

Aggro
Apr 24, 2003

STRONG as an OX and TWICE as SMART
I liked Republic of Thieves, though it doesn't have the same amount of exhilarating desperation that made the plots so intense in the first two novels. Given Lynch's depression and divorce, he clearly wrote a lot of his own relationship into Locke and Sabetha's. I did really like the fact that the novel shows the far-teaching implications of Locke and Jean's actions.

I've read all of Sanderson, Abercrombie, Martin, Lynch, Rothfuss, Ryan, and O'Malley's The Rook. I should probably go back and read more classic fantasy like LeGuin or something.

Shoreleave
Jun 6, 2008

theshim posted:

I'll second The Black Prism by Brent Weeks. It uses a system of color magic that I describe to my friends as Sandersonesque - by which I mean it's got consistent rules and a full system all planned out ahead of time, just like Sanderson's magic systems (or at least it sure seems so). And this is color magic where different colors all do different things, as opposed to Warbreaker where it was simply color in general.

I'll Third The Black Prism and its sequel The Blinding Knife. More gritty then Sanderson's work while maintaining similar conventions. The second book was much more engrossing then the first.

On another note, Despite the awful title Blood Song by Anthony Ryan was amazing and I highly recommend it.

Krakkles
May 5, 2003

NightRift posted:

I'll Third The Black Prism and its sequel The Blinding Knife. More gritty then Sanderson's work while maintaining similar conventions. The second book was much more engrossing then the first.

On another note, Despite the awful title Blood Song by Anthony Ryan was amazing and I highly recommend it.
Weeks, Ryan, and Sanderson are pretty much my "I will buy anything they publish the day they release it without a second thought or the slightest look at the blurb/reviews" authors. Black Prism and the sequel are amazing - like, I haven't been that into a book since Wheel of Time.

Shoreleave
Jun 6, 2008

Krakkles posted:

Weeks, Ryan, and Sanderson are pretty much my "I will buy anything they publish the day they release it without a second thought or the slightest look at the blurb/reviews" authors. Black Prism and the sequel are amazing - like, I haven't been that into a book since Wheel of Time.

Having met him at one of the Wheel of Time book signings he really comes across as a super nice guy, and not at all insane like some other Mormon author's. Is it just me or did the last three books of Wheel of Time read faster than any other in the series?

Speaking of insanity "Ender's Game" is the go to for most people as an easy sci-fi intro book, and I used to think "Speaker for the Dead" was a masterpiece. maybe I need to go home and rethink my life.

Hopeford
Oct 15, 2010

Eh, why not?

Krakkles posted:

Weeks, Ryan, and Sanderson are pretty much my "I will buy anything they publish the day they release it without a second thought or the slightest look at the blurb/reviews" authors. Black Prism and the sequel are amazing - like, I haven't been that into a book since Wheel of Time.

I have never read Weeks or Ryan, but considering how I feel that exact same way about Sanderson and was/still am really into Wheel of Time, so that makes me want to read them. How much grittier than Sanderson are they? I'm more or less a huge baby, I'm not into overly gritty stories much. I mean I read Game of Thrones, thought it was extremely well written, then went "Yeah, I'm not having fun reading this."

MartingaleJack
Aug 26, 2004

I'll split you open and I don't even like coconuts.

Hopeford posted:

I have never read Weeks or Ryan, but considering how I feel that exact same way about Sanderson and was/still am really into Wheel of Time, so that makes me want to read them. How much grittier than Sanderson are they? I'm more or less a huge baby, I'm not into overly gritty stories much. I mean I read Game of Thrones, thought it was extremely well written, then went "Yeah, I'm not having fun reading this."

Ryan is gritty without curses or questionable sexual content. I really thought he walked a nice line.

Weeks has lots of unnecessary and very childish sexual stuff, at least in his first series. Haven't read the new one.

MildShow
Jan 4, 2012

Hopeford posted:

I have never read Weeks or Ryan, but considering how I feel that exact same way about Sanderson and was/still am really into Wheel of Time, so that makes me want to read them. How much grittier than Sanderson are they? I'm more or less a huge baby, I'm not into overly gritty stories much. I mean I read Game of Thrones, thought it was extremely well written, then went "Yeah, I'm not having fun reading this."

I was the same way with Game of Thrones, and I really enjoyed Raven's Shadow: Blood Song by Ryan, aside from it having the most GrimdarkTM name imaginable.

BannedNewbie
Apr 22, 2003

HOW ARE YOU? -> YOSHI?
FINE, THANK YOU. -> YOSHI.

BananaNutkins posted:

Weeks has lots of unnecessary and very childish sexual stuff, at least in his first series. Haven't read the new one.

His new series is quite a bit less "gritty" and doesn't really have that stuff.

cryptoclastic
Jul 3, 2003

The Jesus
The Black Prism just dropped to 1.99 for Kindle. I guess I know what I'm reading next!

Xachariah
Jul 26, 2004

BananaNutkins posted:

Weeks has lots of unnecessary and very childish sexual stuff, at least in his first series. Haven't read the new one.

Well yeah, that was his debut, he probably wrote it when he was young and touched it up a little for the YA fantasy market. His new series is a lot more mature thematically, and the second installment of his Lightbringer series is probably his best book to date.

gninjagnome
Apr 17, 2003

thespaceinvader posted:

Red Seas was reasonable, I haven't picked up Republic of Thieves yet. I'll probably wait for the paperback.

Republic is OK. Its really unfocused, more like two disjoint stories and a less interesting overall scheme. It's sets up some potentially interesting stuff going forward though.

Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X

cryptoclastic posted:

The Black Prism just dropped to 1.99 for Kindle. I guess I know what I'm reading next!

LOL, like 2 hours after I paid $6.50 for it.

Seems like it's worth the $6.50, though.

Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X

Eric the Mauve posted:

LOL, like 2 hours after I paid $6.50 for it.

Seems like it's worth the $6.50, though.

NightRift posted:

Is it just me or did the last three books of Wheel of Time read faster than any other in the series?

It's not just you. I suspect were Robert Jordan still with us we'd have just finished Book 15 and the plot would have been about two-thirds of the way through The Gathering Storm.

404GoonNotFound
Aug 6, 2006

The McRib is back!?!?
So, last minute Xmas shopping and I just forgot my out of state nephew: What exactly's the age on Alcatraz again?

PlushCow
Oct 19, 2005

The cow eats the grass

Eric the Mauve posted:

LOL, like 2 hours after I paid $6.50 for it.

Seems like it's worth the $6.50, though.

For future information, you have a week on Amazon to return an ebook; go to your Kindle Library/Manage Kindle on the website under My Account, find the book in the list of your titles, and on the drop down menu options button on the right there should be an option to "Return this Book" or something like that if you're within the 7 day return limit for ebooks.

I've returned a couple ebooks because they were immediately awful, and it was really easy to do so within the time limit, just click one link.

also speaking of Ebooks I see Amazon still has The Way of Kings for $2.99 http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003P2WO5E

They did a good job on the ebook, nicely formatted and has all the pictures and maps. May be a bit hard to see on the screen but it's all there.

Democratic Pirate
Feb 17, 2010

There shouldn't be a delay on the WoR ebook right? I like hardcovers and how nice the illustrations are on them, but I'd rather carry around my kindle than a 1008 page book that was almost too big to bind.

omnibobb
Dec 3, 2005
Title text'd

Democratic Pirate posted:

There shouldn't be a delay on the WoR ebook right? I like hardcovers and how nice the illustrations are on them, but I'd rather carry around my kindle than a 1008 page book that was almost too big to bind.

Nope - Sanderson is hardcore on the ebook train.

Xachariah
Jul 26, 2004

Democratic Pirate posted:

There shouldn't be a delay on the WoR ebook right? I like hardcovers and how nice the illustrations are on them, but I'd rather carry around my kindle than a 1008 page book that was almost too big to bind.

Exactly the biggest they can bind. Its like in Uni when the word count has to be between 2500 and 3000 and Sanderson submits an essay at 3000 on the dot and everyone else is happy with 2450 and slightly larger margins.

egg tats
Apr 3, 2010

omnibobb posted:

Nope - Sanderson is hardcore on the ebook train.

Yeah I'm pretty sure without him we'd still be waiting on amol

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

Democratic Pirate posted:

There shouldn't be a delay on the WoR ebook right? I like hardcovers and how nice the illustrations are on them, but I'd rather carry around my kindle than a 1008 page book that was almost too big to bind.

1088 pages.

Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X
If Sanderson ever did a book signing somewhere near me and I were able to attend it, I'd buy a hardcover for the novelty. That's about it. I'm 100% ebooks these days.

Democratic Pirate
Feb 17, 2010

Carrying Sanderson's entire library would require an entire suitcase, so having his books on my kindle is just practical for traveling.

I did buy the AMoL hardcover for completions sake though.

fordan
Mar 9, 2009

Clue: Zero

Eric the Mauve posted:

It's not just you. I suspect were Robert Jordan still with us we'd have just finished Book 15 and the plot would have been about two-thirds of the way through The Gathering Storm.

It's also a factor of the series wrapping up and there being fewer subplots rather than more. You see the speed-up start in Knife of Dreams which was written by Jordan.

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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

whoa, what just happened here?







College Slice
Here's Michael Whelan's Shalan: http://www.tor.com/blogs/2013/12/michael-whelan-shallan-endpapers-words-of-radiance

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