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Splizwarf
Jun 15, 2007
It's like there's a soup can in front of me!

Shifty Pony posted:

Yes he has a guard for flying logs but nothing there to help him if the axe head were to make a break for it near the top of the rotation.

I would consider that a critical safety feature with the welds being subjected to extremely hard and potentially off-axis impacts on a regular basis.

Yeah that's the scary part of this; it's easy enough to not stick your hand in a lion's mouth, but what if the mouth starts chasing you? Needs a tube where the only opening is at the strike point and continuing some below (to prevent jamming).

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Space Gopher
Jul 31, 2006

BLITHERING IDIOT AND HARDCORE DURIAN APOLOGIST. LET ME TELL YOU WHY THIS SHIT DON'T STINK EVEN THOUGH WE ALL KNOW IT DOES BECAUSE I'M SUPER CULTURED.

thylacine posted:

Well, it has some safety features, unlike the first one posted. Looks like it makes a big mess though.

What is wrong with hydraulics? Couldn't you use a little engine like that to pump some hydraulic fluid through broken down excavator parts bought at the junk yard? Too complicated than welding an axe head to a big wheel?

Hydraulics need to be designed with at least a basic understanding of the principles at work - otherwise you'll end up with either a uselessly weak tool, or one that blows itself the gently caress up from overpressure. With purely mechanical stuff, it's a lot easier to build on the "just weld poo poo to it until it kinda does what I want" principle.

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


Splizwarf posted:

Yeah that's the scary part of this; it's easy enough to not stick your hand in a lion's mouth, but what if the mouth starts chasing you? Needs a tube where the only opening is at the strike point and continuing some below (to prevent jamming).

A much safer setup would be a sort of trip hammer, preferably with a pair of spring-loaded locking levers so that it would only drop when both were pulled. That way you don't have a rapidly spinning axe head and both hands have to be clear of the workspace to trigger the action. Getting more force is then just a matter of adding more weight to the head of the hammer and making sure your gearing to the cam wheel is proper to let the engine lift the arm. It wouldn't be any more difficult to kludge together either.

Kill-9
Aug 2, 2004

You've got the cutest little baby face...
Posted a couple weeks ago about the Range Rover Classic eating its water pump. Finally got around to replacing it this weekend. God drat are they expensive for these era Rovers. $250. Move forward a couple model years and the pumps are under $50. gently caress that poo poo.

You can see where the blades of the pump made contact with the front and back of the housing. The bearing had about 1 inch of in-and-out play on it also. This allowed the fan to pull forward and contact the back of the radiator. Luckily it was only a few bent fins. Nothing too bad there.





Also, fan clutch nuts are the work of Satan himself. I wish Rover would decide if they want right or left handed threads on those fuckers. Yes, different years have different threads. We spent over an hour trying to get the drat thing off and only managed to tighten it on so hard we couldn't remove it. We ended up removing the water pump with the fan still attached. This was its own special brand of hell. Don't try this at home. I then took it to a local shop and slipped one of the guys :10bux: to get that piece of poo poo off the pump.

But she's back together and driving. Now I can transport Xmas gifts in a couple days. There's no way I was strapping a bike to the top of the T-Bird. Christmas tree, fine, but no bikes.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Are the reverse-thread ones BMW-derived? Because BMW are big fans those :downsrim:

cursedshitbox
May 20, 2012

Your rear-end wont survive my hammering.



Fun Shoe
yeeeuuuup. same one thats used on the BMW powered L322 too.

Luck you the impeller didnt trash the cover completely. those arent cheap.

Kill-9
Aug 2, 2004

You've got the cutest little baby face...

cursedshitbox posted:

yeeeuuuup. same one thats used on the BMW powered L322 too.

Luck you the impeller didnt trash the cover completely. those arent cheap.

Last time I removed a fan clutch was on a '97 D-90 I believe. I swear it was right hand thread. Maybe it was a Disco. I can't remember now. But I know it was right handed.

The cover is really just cosmetic scratches. It sounded like holy hell when it went though. I've done a couple water pumps in Rovers and never seen one like that with so much forward/back play.

cursedshitbox
May 20, 2012

Your rear-end wont survive my hammering.



Fun Shoe
Serp belt is right hand. Poly V is left hand.
theres only two pumps for NAS Rover v8

I've seen some really bashed to poo poo covers that still work.

xarph
Jun 18, 2001


jammyozzy posted:

"Why make it simple when complicated will do?"

I dunno man using air from the spare tire to spray windshield washer fluid is a pretty simple thing. :v:

Tomarse
Mar 7, 2001

Grr



Kill-9 posted:

Last time I removed a fan clutch was on a '97 D-90 I believe. I swear it was right hand thread. Maybe it was a Disco. I can't remember now. But I know it was right handed.

The cover is really just cosmetic scratches. It sounded like holy hell when it went though. I've done a couple water pumps in Rovers and never seen one like that with so much forward/back play.

Landrover clearly don't want people to to remove fans!. I've never managed to get the clutch apart on mine and have always removed the whole assembly from the pump pulley by spending hours removing the 4 nuts & bolts behind the fan by hand turning them one flank at a time using a stubby/custom bent spanner.

Kill-9
Aug 2, 2004

You've got the cutest little baby face...

Tomarse posted:

Landrover clearly don't want people to to remove fans!. I've never managed to get the clutch apart on mine and have always removed the whole assembly from the pump pulley by spending hours removing the 4 nuts & bolts behind the fan by hand turning them one flank at a time using a stubby/custom bent spanner.

The nut is rather easy to get to on the RRC with an adjustable wrench. I know on the 90 it was a right bitch to get to without the correct tool. The hard part is holding the pulley in place while cranking on it. Again, easier with the right tool. It got a healthy does of anti-sieze when it was reassembled this time. Nevermore.

StormDrain
May 22, 2003

Thirteen Letter

Kill-9 posted:

The nut is rather easy to get to on the RRC with an adjustable wrench. I know on the 90 it was a right bitch to get to without the correct tool. The hard part is holding the pulley in place while cranking on it. Again, easier with the right tool. It got a healthy does of anti-sieze when it was reassembled this time. Nevermore.

What about an impact?

Kill-9
Aug 2, 2004

You've got the cutest little baby face...

StormDrain posted:

What about an impact?

If you could see the location of the nut you'd understand why that doesn't work. This pic is close(not from a Rover obviously as there's easy access to the nut) but imagine the nut is tucked more up behind the blades of the fan and you need to get to it at an angle.



Also, it helps if you're not cranking on it the wrong direction for an hour too. :hurr:

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

Kill-9 posted:

The hard part is holding the pulley in place while cranking on it.

I made a tool for that.

Phy
Jun 27, 2008



Fun Shoe

xarph posted:

I dunno man using air from the spare tire to spray windshield washer fluid is a pretty simple thing. :v:

What.

buttcrackmenace
Nov 14, 2007

see its right there in the manual where it says
Grimey Drawer

xarph posted:

I dunno man using air from the spare tire to spray windshield washer fluid is a pretty simple thing. :v:

What.

edit : :psyduck::hf::psyduck:

buttcrackmenace fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Dec 23, 2013

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





That's an air-cooled VW thing, isn't it?

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009


The original beetles had a hose that went from the spare tire to the washer fluid reservoir to pressurize it.

JayKay
Sep 11, 2001

And you thought they were cute and cuddly.

xzzy posted:

The original beetles had a hose that went from the spare tire to the washer fluid reservoir to pressurize it.

I really want to be surprised, but I'm not. Thanks thread! :psyduck:

buttcrackmenace
Nov 14, 2007

see its right there in the manual where it says
Grimey Drawer

xzzy posted:

The original beetles had a hose that went from the spare tire to the washer fluid reservoir to pressurize it.

So the washer reservoir was pressurized? Or was there some way to only send air pressure into the reservoir on demand? And some way to keep all that poo poo from leaking (with 1940's tech)?

Also guessing that this system didn't work very well in cold temperatures.

And how is this cheaper than using a tiny electric pump and relay

Again, what.

Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!


xzzy posted:

The original beetles had a hose that went from the spare tire to the washer fluid reservoir to pressurize it.

I imagine that works just great, until you want to use the spare tire as, y'know, a spare tire. Now it's flat, because you were cleaning your windshield. Superior German technology. Clever, but stupid.

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

JayKay posted:

I really want to be surprised, but I'm not. Thanks thread! :psyduck:

Added bonus: VW sold an accessory that you could screw into a spark plug hole and would function as an air pump.

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5096462

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

buttcrackmenace posted:

So the washer reservoir was pressurized? Or was there some way to only send air pressure into the reservoir on demand? And some way to keep all that poo poo from leaking (with 1940's tech)?

Also guessing that this system didn't work very well in cold temperatures.

And how is this cheaper than using a tiny electric pump and relay

Again, what.

Yes, it was permanently pressurized (well, as long as you kept the spare tire topped off). The release was completely mechanical as well, you pressed a button on the dashboard and it opened a valve and water (in theory) sprayed up on your window. I have no idea how much they leaked.. I drove a '66 for 10 years and literally never used the washer once. I can't imagine it would have worked well if I had tried, especially once all the tubes were 40 years old and had been baked under California sun.

Just keep in mind that the car came from a completely different era of motoring history. Keeping one of those things on the road was an endless maintenance cycle. The good news is if you forgot something you could fix almost anything on the side of the road. The bad news is it probably happened ever few thousand miles. :v:

shy boy from chess club
Jun 11, 2008

It wasnt that bad, after you left I got to help put out the fire!

On the buses it didnt use the spare you have to pump up the reservoir with a bicycle pump. Mine still had that setup in 1970, yep.

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf

Darchangel posted:

I imagine that works just great, until you want to use the spare tire as, y'know, a spare tire. Now it's flat, because you were cleaning your windshield. Superior German technology. Clever, but stupid.

It's such a fine line between stupid, and uh...

Veeb0rg
Jul 24, 2001

THIS CONVERSATION IS NONPRODUCTIVE!

xzzy posted:

Yes, it was permanently pressurized (well, as long as you kept the spare tire topped off). The release was completely mechanical as well, you pressed a button on the dashboard and it opened a valve and water (in theory) sprayed up on your window. I have no idea how much they leaked.. I drove a '66 for 10 years and literally never used the washer once. I can't imagine it would have worked well if I had tried, especially once all the tubes were 40 years old and had been baked under California sun.

Just keep in mind that the car came from a completely different era of motoring history. Keeping one of those things on the road was an endless maintenance cycle. The good news is if you forgot something you could fix almost anything on the side of the road. The bad news is it probably happened ever few thousand miles. :v:

The setup in my '71 worked surprisingly well, with one exception. The connection at the tire leaked slightly around the hose. So the sprayer would work for about 5 minutes until all the air had leaked from the tire. Another fun fact, my '71 still had its factory spare that still held air and had no dry rot/cracking. I never had it use it thankfully.

Mr. Wiggles
Dec 1, 2003

We are all drinking from the highball glass of ideology.

Those big rear end pieces of cottonwood are a bitch. I've done enough of them that I'd do the same thing. Those guys have to be from around here.

Kill-9
Aug 2, 2004

You've got the cutest little baby face...

Motronic posted:

I made a tool for that.


So did I, out of an old TV wall mount. I then proceeded to tighten that bitch so hard with it I was hosed. I was quite tempted to throw out the fan and install electric fans while I was in there then I realized I really needed those pullies so I had to get that drat nut off.

Oh, and in classic Rover fashion I broke off one of the water pump bolts when putting it back on. I've done three water pumps on Rovers and I'm 3-for-3 on breaking off that bolt at aboutt 1 o'clock on the front of the pump. Are those things made out of spaghetti noodles? Luckily, I used enough sealant and there's two bolts in close proximity to keep it sealed. Drove it into work this morning and nary a drop to be see. Also, the gauge is reading lower than it ever has. I guess that pump had been dying for a while.

The bright side is that the weather was in the 60-70s this weekend so it was nice being and working outside. I don't know how you guys up north do that poo poo in winter. Heated garages I'd hope.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Kill-9 posted:

If you could see the location of the nut you'd understand why that doesn't work. This pic is close(not from a Rover obviously as there's easy access to the nut) but imagine the nut is tucked more up behind the blades of the fan and you need to get to it at an angle.



Also, it helps if you're not cranking on it the wrong direction for an hour too. :hurr:

I remember doing this fondly on my various m30 powered cars. I might add that anti seize doesn't do poo poo, I've tried it before and it was just as cunty to remove the next time. I think the end of the thread gets somewhat compressed/peened and it makes it impossible to dislodge without an impact or holding the pulley with another tool.

ninja edit: in fact I would swear that's either an e23 or an e24.

Splizwarf
Jun 15, 2007
It's like there's a soup can in front of me!

xzzy posted:

Added bonus: VW sold an accessory that you could screw into a spark plug hole and would function as an air pump.

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5096462

Wait wait wait. What about the fuel?

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

Splizwarf posted:

Wait wait wait. What about the fuel?

They were valved so they pull outside air into the cylinder and prevent the vacuum that would draw the normal fuel/air mixture.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

So what, you ran the car as a stationary 3 cylinder and it became an air pump? That's...kind of clever? Sort of?

Space Gopher
Jul 31, 2006

BLITHERING IDIOT AND HARDCORE DURIAN APOLOGIST. LET ME TELL YOU WHY THIS SHIT DON'T STINK EVEN THOUGH WE ALL KNOW IT DOES BECAUSE I'M SUPER CULTURED.

Splizwarf posted:

Wait wait wait. What about the fuel?

I was curious about this too. Apparently it used cylinder pressure to drive a piston, so it drew air from inside the engine compartment rather than making a tire-bomb. Without the spark plug, of course, you'd still be shooting unburned gas out the exhaust, but in the days before cats that wasn't such a big deal unless you'd gotten the exhaust manifold really hot.

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

Slavvy posted:

So what, you ran the car as a stationary 3 cylinder and it became an air pump? That's...kind of clever? Sort of?

That's how most older large air compressors work that I've seen (you know, the old poo poo ones that you tow behind a truck to run a jackhammer). Who knows...they may still work that way but I exclusively use old junk. Usually it's a couple cylinders though.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug
More failures!





Jet Ski motor that decided to throw a rod.

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!

CommieGIR posted:

More failures!





Jet Ski motor that decided to throw a rod.

Looks like a Kawi 1100, maybe 900? Crank should be the same.
That's not a particularly spectacular failure of a rod in such a motor. Owner neglect and abuse is hard on the big end and wrist pin bearings, causing that kind of thing.
I don't see a (big) hole in the side of the case, which is what usually happens. In most cases, a core exchange for a rebuilt engine is the best way to go. Those cranks are not user serviceable.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

TotalLossBrain posted:

I don't see a (big) hole in the side of the case, which is what usually happens. In most cases, a core exchange for a rebuilt engine is the best way to go. Those cranks are not user serviceable.

It broke off at the wrist and there is a big chink in the cylinder at the bottom, I'll get a better picture tomorrow.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

How much power does one of these make? Are they geared in any way? I don't know poo poo about jetskis but a 2T 1100cc is pretty impressive in motorbike terms.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


The 4 stroke BRP puts in their high end seadoos are 1.5 liter, supercharged, and still only 215hp.

The current rotax 800r e-tec they put in skidoos is 160hp from an 800cc 2 cylinder. You can slap a turbo on them for 240hp, and that's far more impressive.

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CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Slavvy posted:

How much power does one of these make? Are they geared in any way? I don't know poo poo about jetskis but a 2T 1100cc is pretty impressive in motorbike terms.

This one has the water pump straight connected to the crank.

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