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BrooklynBruiser posted:There was never a bad episode of BSG. They ranged from "Eh, that wasn't great" to sublime. What?!? How dare you impugn the sanctity of television by implying that The Woman King wasn't the worst most vile hour of television ever produced!!!!!!
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Wandle Cax posted:What?!? How dare you impugn the sanctity of television by implying that The Woman King wasn't the worst most vile hour of television ever produced!!!!!! The Woman King is pretty bad, and so is Black Market and the underratedly bad episode Hero, but they're really no worse than when other prestige dramas screwed up a filler sideplot episode in the middle of their runs when there wasn't a lot of urgency. Most of them have done it at one time or another.
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Wandle Cax posted:What?!? How dare you impugn the sanctity of television by implying that The Woman King wasn't the worst most vile hour of television ever produced!!!!!! It was a very bad episode of BSG, but it wasn't a very bad episode of television. It's just that BSG set the bar very high.
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JediTalentAgent posted:Speaking of scifi from the 90s/early 00s, a few nights ago I got around to watching the Total Recall 2070s two-parter premiere from the late 90s and was sort of surprised how much I actually liked it. It's not 'great', but it feels like they really wanted to do something ambitious with it but feels mostly held back by the performances. The acting never improves. It's like Almost Human except without any humor or charisma.
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Dec 25, 2013 03:29
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Mu Zeta posted:I also started watching X-Files. I'm on episode 5 and it's surprisingly not that dated except for the oversized suits. I just hope they stop filming in that same forest over and over. It's Planet Vancouver, almost every TV show in the 90s took place on Planet Vancouver. As Stargate SG-1 showed us, there are potentially infinite copies of Planet Vancouver as the gang there traveled to one of them almost every week. Just wait until you start recognizing That One Bridge regularly. Maxwell Lord posted:Well I think that's just a little unduly- (sees poster name) never mind. I have to say that it's odd that it came and went with exactly zero fanfare. I forgot it came on but apparently so did everyone else since no one I know had a single thing to say about it. raditts fucked around with this message at 04:07 on Dec 25, 2013 |
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Dec 25, 2013 04:02
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BrooklynBruiser posted:It was a very bad episode of BSG, but it wasn't a very bad episode of television. It's just that BSG set the bar very high. Black Market was worse than Woman King, because at least the latter had Head Baltar.
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raditts posted:It's Planet Vancouver, almost every TV show in the 90s took place on Planet Vancouver. As Stargate SG-1 showed us, there are potentially infinite copies of Planet Vancouver as the gang there traveled to one of them almost every week. Just wait until you start recognizing That One Bridge regularly. I wonder where in Planet Vancouver they're filming the Island scenes.
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PriorMarcus posted:He's right about all of it though, except the last Muppet's movie was a brief reprieve from the slow rot that has over taken them. Eh, the GaGa special was cute and it's premature to call her washed up after one less-than-stellar album reception (I really like at least one of the tracks from it.) Wasn't the best special but there's a spectrum between that and utter poo poo from a talentless hack.
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If your Scifi show has weird looking aliens in it then it's not the best of anything. If those aliens talk then it's up for the award at the other end of the spectrum. I've never seen a single good Scifi television show with aliens in it.
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Deadpool posted:If your Scifi show has weird looking aliens in it then it's not the best of anything. If those aliens talk then it's up for the award at the other end of the spectrum. I've never seen a single good Scifi television show with aliens in it. Doctor Who. e: And, presumably, Star Trek, though I've never actually watched any Star Trek shows. BrooklynBruiser fucked around with this message at 05:28 on Dec 25, 2013 |
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Dec 25, 2013 05:26
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BrooklynBruiser posted:Doctor Who. And the aforementioned Stargate SG-1, although those aliens are either descended from humans or using humans as a host. As much as I like Doctor Who, I don't know that I'd really put it on a list of shows off the top of my head that I consider "good" if that makes any sense.
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Futurama should count.
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Deadpool posted:If your Scifi show has weird looking aliens in it then it's not the best of anything. If those aliens talk then it's up for the award at the other end of the spectrum. I've never seen a single good Scifi television show with aliens in it. That would require knowing what you'd call a good television show as well as what sci-fi shows you've seen. Farscape has aliens done by the Jim Henson Creature Shop and is still pretty well liked. Considering the budget restraints the show had they came out pretty well. It's a pretty good litmus test for people liking scifi shows in general. jeffersonlives posted:The Woman King is pretty bad, and so is Black Market and the underratedly bad episode Hero, but they're really no worse than when other prestige dramas screwed up a filler sideplot episode in the middle of their runs when there wasn't a lot of urgency. Most of them have done it at one time or another. Yeah those things were rotten eggs for sure. I can't even watch a rerun of them they were so bad. I like to think of the episodes where they find the Pegasus and blast the Resurrection ship as the end of the series. Because after that you get things like Black Market and the show gets a lot more hit or miss. It did produce eye-patch wearing, Tricia Helfer-bot banging Col. Tigh though so it's all good. raditts posted:And the aforementioned Stargate SG-1, although those aliens are either descended from humans or using humans as a host. Well it is a show for children so it's not going to have super high standards to begin with.
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Maxwell Lord posted:Eh, the GaGa special was cute and it's premature to call her washed up after one less-than-stellar album reception (I really like at least one of the tracks from it.) Wasn't the best special but there's a spectrum between that and utter poo poo from a talentless hack. ArtPop owns owns owns, gently caress the haters.
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PriorMarcus posted:He's right about all of it though, except the last Muppet's movie was a brief reprieve from the slow rot that has over taken them. Muppet Christmas Carol came out after Jim Henson's death. 
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Deadpool posted:If your Scifi show has weird looking aliens in it then it's not the best of anything. If those aliens talk then it's up for the award at the other end of the spectrum. I've never seen a single good Scifi television show with aliens in it. This is almost always true, except Farscape has muppet aliens, ergo it rules.
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The Muppets (2011) was really, really good and felt like the first time since Henson's death that the Muppets were being led by a singular creative vision (Jason Segel + the Flight of the Conchords guys) rather than bland family entertainment coasting by on celebrity cameos and the late Jim Henson's legacy and goodwill. It's kind of like how it took 20 years for Disney to start making good animated movies again instead of making boring crap that was more concerned with the old guard's idea of "what Walt would have wanted" instead of actually being good. The Lady Gaga holiday special felt like a regression by comparison, through no fault of the artists attached to it.
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Mu Zeta posted:The acting never improves. It's like Almost Human except without any humor or charisma. I do sort of like the sort of feel of the show though. The only actors that just aren't fitting with their roles the first 3-4 episodes in are the black police chief guy and the lead actor. Neither one is really selling it in their respective roles. I'm thinking of the many TV leads and actors of the 90s and I think the lead just needed to be a bit older and more grizzled with a stronger look and I can't think of anyone who would have been a better fit**. You're right about the show needing a bit of charisma. Not even a lot, just a very small bit. Also, it needed a bit more range with the direction and cinematography, too. Other than that, I'm really enjoying the sort of pulpy sci-fi feel of the show and the overall universe, too, and I do apprieciate their attempts at trying to a capture the style of Blade Runner as much as they were able to. (edit: **Put Chris Meloni in the lead and putting forth some Stabler-grade presence, this show goes up a letter grade.) JediTalentAgent fucked around with this message at 08:43 on Dec 25, 2013 |
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Dec 25, 2013 08:37
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Trast posted:Well it is a show for children so it's not going to have super high standards to begin with. I know that's what it started out as but I wouldn't consider anything at least in the new series to be something you could reasonably consider as "a show for children."
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BSG should get extra points for having a boxing episode that wasn't completely horrible.
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smg77 posted:BSG should get extra points for having a boxing episode that wasn't completely horrible. Yes but The Plan, Caprica, and Blood and Chrome did a good job of making GBS threads all over BSG's legacy.
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Mu Zeta posted:Yes but The Plan, Caprica, and Blood and Chrome did a good job of making GBS threads all over BSG's legacy. Hey at least those weren't as bad as The Legend of the Rangers was for B5!
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Speaking of sci-fi, I'm thinking about doing a thread about Terminator: the Sarah Connor Chronicles like how mojo1701a watched Babylon 5 and posted his thoughts and analysis after each episode. Is that an acceptable thing for TV/IV?
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BSG was good (to start with) but certainly not the sublime televisual-tugjob that a lot of goons claim. Far from it.BrooklynBruiser posted:And, presumably, Star Trek, though I've never actually watched any Star Trek shows. Star trek is barely even scifi. If you have any curiosity at all about Trek then it's the easiest thing in the world to satisfy. Watch three episodes, any three episodes regardless of series, and you will have seen everything the franchise has to offer. Because that's all Star Trek is, an endless loop of the same handful of stories. Lovely Joe Stalin fucked around with this message at 12:41 on Dec 25, 2013 |
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Mu Zeta posted:Yes but The Plan, Caprica, and Blood and Chrome did a good job of making GBS threads all over BSG's legacy. Caprica was pretty awesome, it just wasn't very BSG. If you watch it as its own thing it's much better.
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Mu Zeta posted:Yes but The Plan, Caprica, and Blood and Chrome did a good job of making GBS threads all over BSG's legacy. Well, I haven't seen Caprica or Blood and Chrome, but I rather liked The Plan - it wasn't great, but it was fine.
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Maybe it's because I seriously thought The Plan was going to explain so much and tie up a bunch of loose ends, but it was ridiculously disappointing. A glorified clip show where the only major reveal is the addition of a little more context to Cavil's character.
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Sophia posted:Caprica was pretty awesome, it just wasn't very BSG. If you watch it as its own thing it's much better. My problem with Caprica was that it didn't seem to know what it was going to do, it was just kind of a mess of subplots.
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In that regard it was true to BSG, surely?
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Rapey Joe Stalin posted:In that regard it was true to BSG, surely? BSG really was two separate shows. A cool military drama in space that ended when they found the Pegasus and a convoluted mish-mash of plot bingo that was written as badly as Lost or Heroes was because the writers couldn't figure out what the gently caress to do next. That all the sequels and prequels followed this model is really just a nod to consistent writing quality or in this case a lack of it.
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BSG fell to the same navel-gazing hubris as DS9. Moore really needs someone to keep him in line.
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BSG's crazy mindfuckery was every bit as entertaining as the military and survival stuff. More shows should aim for Prisoner levels of screwing with the audience.
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Rapey Joe Stalin posted:BSG fell to the same navel-gazing hubris as DS9. Moore really needs someone to keep him in line. Great writing is always made better when paired with a great editor. Even if it's just having a guy who's not afraid to say "Mr. Moore making Starbuck an angel sounds like a pretty dumb idea."
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Even though I do think BSG became a pretty big mess somewhere in season 4 I was happy they went for total insanity instead of sticking with the military thing, which is overall my least favourite aspect of the show's framework.
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Trast posted:Great writing is always made better when paired with a great editor. Even if it's just having a guy who's not afraid to say "Mr. Moore making Starbuck an angel sounds like a pretty dumb idea." Didn't Moore originally plan to have God show up at the end of season 1 played by the original Star Buck? Thank you to whoever shut down that terrible idea.
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muscles like this? posted:My problem with Caprica was that it didn't seem to know what it was going to do, it was just kind of a mess of subplots. Because it was its own thing until Syfy greenlit it if only made into a BSG prequel, so it became rife with baggage. All the same, I enjoyed it a lot more than BATTLESTAR for how subdued and thoughtful it was comparatively, as BSG's greatness came from a visceral place and CAPRICA's from being moody.
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That Starz pirate show is going to be a little weird because it takes place at the same time and location as Assassins Creed IV: Black Flag so they're sharing a lot of the same historical characters.
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muscles like this? posted:That Starz pirate show is going to be a little weird because it takes place at the same time and location as Assassins Creed IV: Black Flag so they're sharing a lot of the same historical characters. Oh boy, I can't wait to be fake surprised again when the short, spunky beardless pirate turns out to be a girl.
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Irish Joe posted:Oh boy, I can't wait to be fake surprised again when the short, spunky beardless pirate turns out to be a girl. 
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