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Helsing posted:You get put on hold a lot, nobody ever seems to be in the office when you call for them, and your key files are always being misplaced. I'm supporting the loyalists. Sure, the First Receptionist has sometimes had to use harsh measures, but she keeps the pneumatic tubes running on time.
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Brown Moses posted:There's lots of reports that Jabhat al-Nusra are kicking ISIS out of Raqqa, with one hope being they'll be able to release prisoners held by ISIS, including missing journalists. Man, this is some through the looking glass poo poo. You know your evil when you make loving JAN look like the good guys.
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New Division posted:Given that European jihadis seemed to flock to the ISIS, I wonder if we're about to see a huge surge in the reported deaths of Europeans in the conflict. Can't say I'd be sorry to hear it.
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New Division posted:Given that European jihadis seemed to flock to the ISIS, I wonder if we're about to see a huge surge in the reported deaths of Europeans in the conflict. They're mostly retreating and using car bombs here and there. Like 30 deaths in the first 24 hours of the fighting, and ISIS took huge losses in territory.
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All a US intervention in Syria would do is increase the amount of casualties and intensify the conflict. And make defense industry corporations even more incredible profits.
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Jan 6, 2014 00:29
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Does anyone have any idea how the funding situation is between JaN and ISIS? ISIS is certainly more brazen, but I don't know if that's more attributable to bravado over resources.
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Brown Moses posted:There's lots of reports that Jabhat al-Nusra are kicking ISIS out of Raqqa, with one hope being they'll be able to release prisoners held by ISIS, including missing journalists. Sounds like we can expect a stream of these soon. Be interesting to see if Father Paolo is among them.
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the boston bomber posted:All a US intervention in Syria would do is increase the amount of casualties and intensify the conflict. And make defense industry corporations even more incredible profits. I'm kind of curious. Who are you replying to, here? Or is this just a context-free drive-by shitpost?
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Aurubin posted:Does anyone have any idea how the funding situation is between JaN and ISIS? ISIS is certainly more brazen, but I don't know if that's more attributable to bravado over resources. This is a great question. Who are the primary backers of the JaN and ISIS ? Pulling ideas out of my rear end I would have assumed both are being funded by Saudi Arabia http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/security/2013/11/isis-jabhat-nusra-rift-syria-jordan-1.html It looks like Isis is kinda pan-Arabic while the jan wants to preserve national borders ? Jesus Horse fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Jan 6, 2014 |
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PleasingFungus posted:I'm kind of curious. Who are you replying to, here? Charliegrs posted:This is kind of a morbid subject, but why does it seem like no one is even attempting to keep a body count in Syria anymore? I think it hit the 100,000 mark about a year ago? It must be at least double that at this point I would imagine. The reason I ask is because I wonder if there has been some kind of concerted effort to stop the official casualty count from rising due to Western governments fears that their populations might start to demand some kind of action? I mean if the count gets into the 500,000+ range and its talked about on a daily basis on the news surely some people might reverse their isolationist stance and start calling for military action again. Although I doubt it, Americans have so much Middle East fatigue these days I don't even think a body count of a million is going to change peoples opinions too much. From a page back, I know, but still worth saying for all the hawks that are no doubt out there.
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Brown Moses posted:There's lots of reports that Jabhat al-Nusra are kicking ISIS out of Raqqa, with one hope being they'll be able to release prisoners held by ISIS, including missing journalists. Any hope one of them will be Caro?
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Sad that I'm smiling at tweets about factional infighting by rebel brigades, even if they're fighting ISIS. Ain't like the Islamic Front are a bunch of kittens. Wonder if this helps the rebels or regime forces in long run, from a strategic context. ISIS pissed off everybody to the point where JaN is spectating, so this could be better for rebel cohesion, if not body count. Tha leaves less factional bullshit, but Hezbollah is still better trained. At the end of the day, everybody still hates the Kurds.
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The X-man cometh posted:Any hope one of them will be Caro? Nope.
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Aurubin posted:Sad that I'm smiling at tweets about factional infighting by rebel brigades, even if they're fighting ISIS. Ain't like the Islamic Front are a bunch of kittens. Wonder if this helps the rebels or regime forces in long run, from a strategic context. ISIS pissed off everybody to the point where JaN is spectating, so this could be better for rebel cohesion, if not body count. Tha leaves less factional bullshit, but Hezbollah is still better trained. ISIS getting their collective cards pulled is probably for the best. It will likely make the FSA and other umbrella groups to be more inclined to receive US support since they can point to ISIS and say that they have been fighting al Qaeda elements. As well, with the recent ISIS spillover in Iraq, them getting defeated in Syria will give the FSA a much more favorable view for Western support.
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Muffiner posted:Syria Comment has a new article up on the ISIS-opposition war. Apparently, ISIS stole the FSA's Froot Loops. Jesus Christ that article has photos of the corpse of Hussein al-Suleiman, the guy whose death parked the anti ISIS feeling. He doesn't look like a human. I can't even understand what they did to him. Non SA articles don't have big  icons near messy links, they should fix that.
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Welp, looked at the picture, died a bit more on the inside. I wish this wasn't like the 50th time I've thought that so far while reading this thread 
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The X-man cometh posted:Any hope one of them will be Caro? None at all. I can't say more than that.
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They smashed the poo poo out of that poor bastard's face and I can't even imagine what caused the wounds on the left side of his chest. It takes a special brand of sicko to do something like that to a man.
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redscare posted:They smashed the poo poo out of that poor bastard's face and I can't even imagine what caused the wounds on the left side of his chest. It takes a special brand of sicko to do something like that to a man. Yeah, that was pretty bad looking, though I have seen worse, you'd be amazed how a person looks if they tear off most of their face with a shotgun blast. They looked like an alien, no discernible facial features left. Though the really bad part of that photo is that you can tell they did that to him over a few hours time at least, poor guy. 
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Jonad posted:I'm supporting the loyalists. Sure, the First Receptionist has sometimes had to use harsh measures, but she keeps the pneumatic tubes running on time.
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The X-man cometh posted:Any hope one of them will be Caro? Pretty sure that dude is dead.
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Armani posted:Pretty sure that dude is dead. I don't mean to sound callous, but wasn't that pretty much inevitable, given his habits? It was remarkable that he survived his adventures in Libya, let alone his abortive attempts to cross into Syria.
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So, yeah sorry for the ultra-depressive post; it's frustrating that people have devolved into infighting BEFORE the old regime was actually overthrown. Anyway, it looks like ISIS is about to stop existing as a meaningful organization. But I imagine that will happen before even the majority of the foot soldiers are killed. Doesn't that mean that groups like JAN and other Islamist militias will absorb the former ISIS people? Wouldn't that make those groups more radical? I know JAN is dedicated to being 'liberal', whatever that means, but how hierarchical and disciplined is their organization? Could they survive the influx of ISIS grunts?
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visceril posted:So, yeah sorry for the ultra-depressive post; it's frustrating that people have devolved into infighting BEFORE the old regime was actually overthrown. The less armed and ideologically opposed groups that exist at the end of the struggle, the more quickly a stable society will emerge (of course whether it's a fair, non-repressive society is still unknown but that will always be true). If this infighting is meaning Assad is now more likely to win then that's a cause for concern but otherwise getting them out now will hopefully be for the best. Also repeating my request for any reports of 'day in the life of an average Syrian'.
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Yea crazy people make worthless hostages.
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namesake posted:The less armed and ideologically opposed groups that exist at the end of the struggle, the more quickly a stable society will emerge (of course whether it's a fair, non-repressive society is still unknown but that will always be true). If this infighting is meaning Assad is now more likely to win then that's a cause for concern but otherwise getting them out now will hopefully be for the best. I think the ISIS was a powerful weapon in Assad's arsenal, a group he could point to and ask 'You want these people in charge or me ?'. And once the ISIS carved out their bit of turf they seem to have stopped fighting Assad and focused on extending into Iraq.
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Fader Movitz posted:So does anyone know how Tunisia doing now? As far as I gathered they seem to be relatively stable whilst the rest of the middle east plunges deeper into despair, dictatorship and secreterian conflicts. Tunisia is fairly more homogeneous than states like Iraq or Syria, which is a cocktail of ethnic groups, cultures and religions. AFAIK Ben Ali enacted really anti-religious laws in the country which inflamed the more religious oriented groups, Al Nahda winning wasn't surprising once elections happened, but i'm surprised they actually backed out once people started noticing the poo poo they tried to pull, so its fairly civil. Plus their army aren't a bag of dicks like the rest of the middle east.
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Brown Moses posted:None at all. I can't say more than that. Oh poo poo. Welp, RIP you poor schizophrenic man, I hope you didn't die of torture.
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I think the last time we heard of Caro, he was homeless in San Diego.
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point of return posted:I think the last time we heard of Caro, he was homeless in San Diego. Nope. http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/kevin-patrick-dawes/view Really hope he didn't get captured by the regime, but I don't see what else it could have been. What a terrible way to go.
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Volkerball posted:Nope. He's way more likely to be held hostage and imprisoned by one of the Jihadist groups.
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Sergg posted:He's way more likely to be held hostage and imprisoned by one of the Jihadist groups. JaN maybe, but obviously not ISIS. The regime has executed Westerners before, so it's not like it'd be an exception to the rule.
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Volkerball posted:JaN maybe, but obviously not ISIS. The regime has executed Westerners before, so it's not like it'd be an exception to the rule. Maybe he managed to convince them he's a real doctor, and is now operating on jihadist leaders with hilarious results.
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Lot of fun stuff getting uncovered as ISIS territory gets reclaimed. Here's FSA soldiers showing a decapitated kids head they found outside of a base. obviously. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bObIjIjCVP8
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