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smackfu
Jun 7, 2004

FlashBangBob posted:

I've done it about 5 times in 3 Mac minis that I've owned and I'm a pro at it now. It's like 8 screws, two pulls, and then everything comes out.
Yeah, that's true, I feel like I would do much better if I had to do it again. I had a real hard time getting the last bit of re-assembly done. The shield with the wifi antenna wouldn't go in the exact right place, and then the hard drive under it wasn't lined up with the screw holes, and then I knocked the HD cable off so I had to take a bunch of it apart again. That one step took about 45 minutes.

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FCKGW
May 21, 2006

Rexim posted:

I really wanted 8gb of memory in my MBA because everyone says I should get that. However Amazon only had 4gb models so I ordered one of those. Am I really going to regret that? I'm really only going to use it for browsing the web and watching videos.

Don't ask me why I insist on ordering from amazon and not apple; I don't have a rational reason.

8gb is a BTO option.

4gb should be fine, especially with the super-fast SSD now so even if it has to page data, it should be very quick paging.

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade


Zartans Lady Mask posted:

My new 13" rMBP is doing something weird. Whenever it wakes from sleep whilst using battery power, it really struggles to join a wifi network. I typically have to wait 20 secs, turn off wifi, then enable it before it'll join my network. It didn't do this when I first got the laptop about a month ago; it started about 2 weeks ago. If it's plugged into the mains, then it wakes up and joins the network perfectly. This is reproducible 100% of the time.

Has anyone else encountered an issue like this? I just want to double check that there's no easy way to resolve this before I take it to the Apple Store to be looked at.

Have you tried zapping the PRAM, resetting the SMC or using something like Cocktail, Onyx, or Mavericks Cache Cleaner to clean out your system caches?

The last resort I would try would be to remove all of the preferences in /Library/Preferences/SystemConfiguration listed below and reboot:

CaptiveNetworkSupport
com.apple.airport.preferences.plist
com.apple.network.eapolclient.configuration.plist
com.apple.wifi.message-tracer.plist
NetworkInterfaces.plist

Then go into System Preferences / Network and set everything up again. You did do the Retina MBP specific update to OS X 10.9.1, right?

For the record I also have a 13" rMBP some three weeks old and haven't had this issue.

brap
Aug 23, 2004

Grimey Drawer
I think it's a crime that apple still sells machines without solid state.

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade


IMHO definitely in the laptop area, not so much for the desktop. Laptops take a lot more punishment / shocks than most desktops.

SSDs should be a no brainer because no moving parts, more shock resistant, etc. and they're now at the point where their real world longevity rivals if not exceeds platter drives.

BTW, dunno if anyone else noticed, but Samsung is providing both the flash controller and the PCIe SSDs for nearly all Late 2013 Mac laptops (except the Late 2013 11-inch MBA which uses a Marvell flash controller and a SanDisk SSD) and the new Late 2013 Mac Pro, so no one should be concerned too much over the reliability of the SSDs.

Binary Badger fucked around with this message at 04:57 on Jan 6, 2014

FlashBangBob
Jul 5, 2007

BLAM! Internet Found!

fleshweasel posted:

I think it's a crime that apple still sells machines without solid state.

To be honest the fusion drive should be standard. Like even if it's a 64 GB/500 GB model. There's so much to be gained on a user experience level when operating system poo poo just flys.

Duckman2008
Jan 6, 2010

TFW you see Flyers goaltending.
Grimey Drawer
Just wanted to mention that I finally got around to finding out what coverage an Amex card offers on electronics, and basically it extends the warranty an extra year. So if you get a mac without Apple care it's a 2 year warranty, if you get Apple care Amex extends Apple care by another year (so 4 years).

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade


I dunno, I've never seen anyone successfully charge something that was past the AppleCare expiration to AppleCare.

Maybe you mean that any repairs or service is paid for by AmEx for a year past the AC expiration?

empty baggie
Oct 22, 2003

Binary Badger posted:

Maybe you mean that any repairs or service is paid for by AmEx for a year past the AC expiration?

I'm pretty sure it means this. Several times we've had to give quotes to insurance companies and credit cards before performing repairs.

Fcdts26
Mar 18, 2009
Ive used the Amex warranty in the past on an original Macbook Pro. All you have to do is go in get a quote from Apple send it to them and in about a week they will issue you a statement credit for repairs/replacement. It was incredibly easy and worth it to have an Amex card for electronics purchases alone.

serebralassazin
Feb 20, 2004
I wish I had something clever to say.
Has anyone used a Visa card with warranty extension for any repairs? Is it as simple as the American Express process being described?

jink
May 8, 2002

Drop it like it's Hot.
Taco Defender

Zartans Lady Mask posted:

My new 13" rMBP is doing something weird. Whenever it wakes from sleep whilst using battery power, it really struggles to join a wifi network. I typically have to wait 20 secs, turn off wifi, then enable it before it'll join my network. It didn't do this when I first got the laptop about a month ago; it started about 2 weeks ago. If it's plugged into the mains, then it wakes up and joins the network perfectly. This is reproducible 100% of the time.

Has anyone else encountered an issue like this? I just want to double check that there's no easy way to resolve this before I take it to the Apple Store to be looked at.

I too have this problem with my mid 2012 15" rMBP. I have to toggle the wifi on and off a couple times and then it can connect. The weird thing is it can connect to my work wifi with zero problems but my home wifi struggles.

Binary Badger posted:

Have you tried zapping the PRAM, resetting the SMC or using something like Cocktail, Onyx, or Mavericks Cache Cleaner to clean out your system caches?

The last resort I would try would be to remove all of the preferences in /Library/Preferences/SystemConfiguration listed below and reboot:

CaptiveNetworkSupport
com.apple.airport.preferences.plist
com.apple.network.eapolclient.configuration.plist
com.apple.wifi.message-tracer.plist
NetworkInterfaces.plist

Then go into System Preferences / Network and set everything up again. You did do the Retina MBP specific update to OS X 10.9.1, right?

For the record I also have a 13" rMBP some three weeks old and haven't had this issue.

Thanks for this advice. I've tried resetting SMC and PRAM. Hopefully the plist clearing will do the trick!

fookolt
Mar 13, 2012

Where there is power
There is resistance
Hah, both my 2013 rMBP 13 and partner's rMBP 13 have the same issue with home WiFi. We have to toggle it on and off and then it connects. The router is an Asus RT-N66U and neither of our Android phones (or tablets) have this issue.

GATOS Y VATOS
Aug 22, 2002


Howdy-
I have a 2011 MBA running the latest updates of Mavericks, and for the past few months, it's been having problems waking up from Sleep. Instead of opening my MBA and the screen lighting up and being ready to go almost immediately, sometimes it will take up to 2-3 minutes to wake up. Touching the trackpad or tapping keys does nothing to alleviate this, and around 1 in 50 times, it refuses to wake up at all and I have to hold the power key to reboot entirely.

Any clues to what is going on?

Edit: mid-2011 model 13" core i7 model with 4gb ram and a 256gb ssd.

GATOS Y VATOS fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Jan 6, 2014

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade


Could be bad battery, bad RAM / logic board, hosed up SMC.

Try resetting PRAM, SMC?

jink posted:

Thanks for this advice. I've tried resetting SMC and PRAM. Hopefully the plist clearing will do the trick!

Don't forget clearing out the system caches.

GATOS Y VATOS
Aug 22, 2002


I've reset the PRAM just now and will reset the SMC in a moment, then keep an eye on things for the next couple of days. Thanks! If it continues I'll take it to fruit; I still have applecare on this unit until July. Thanks!

Animal
Apr 8, 2003

Duckman2008 posted:

Just wanted to mention that I finally got around to finding out what coverage an Amex card offers on electronics, and basically it extends the warranty an extra year. So if you get a mac without Apple care it's a 2 year warranty, if you get Apple care Amex extends Apple care by another year (so 4 years).

Does it work if I only buy Apple Care with AMEX? I already bought my Mac with a different credit card, but dont have AppleCare yet. It would be great if it extended it an extra year.

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade


You'd better call AmEx about that, Apple doesn't give a poo poo past three years and they're not formally working with the credit card companies as empty baggie has indicated, the cc companies just pay for repairs past the AppleCare expiration. So effectively, the cc companies are paying out/covering the repairs for a year.

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade


GATOS Y VATOS posted:

I've reset the PRAM just now and will reset the SMC in a moment, then keep an eye on things for the next couple of days. Thanks! If it continues I'll take it to fruit; I still have applecare on this unit until July. Thanks!

One other thing you can try is to go to System Preferences > Network > Edit Locations, remove all of them if you have multiples, and start a new one from scratch, that seems to work for some people on Apple Discussions.

Also, there's also the issue of Power Nap.. You might try System Preferences > Energy Saver and enable / disable Power Nap's checkbox. Apple is a little vague on this, but:

Apple posted:

Power Nap and your battery
The year your notebook was released determines how Power Nap responds to your battery power state. (From the Apple () menu, choose About This Mac and then click More info to see what year model your notebook is).

Notebooks with 2013 or a later year in the model name use Power Nap until the battery is drained.
Notebooks with 2012 or an earlier year in the model name suspend Power Nap operations if the battery has a charge of 30% or less. Power Nap operations resume once you connect a power adapter.
Power Nap communicates and transfers data for a only a few minutes per Power Nap cycle when running on battery. When connected to a power adapter, communications and data transfers are continuous. When Power Nap is enabled you computer may be warm to the touch even if it is sleeping. Power Nap operations are suspended when your computer exceeds a predefined temperature so that your computer does not overheat.

How often does Power Nap check for updates or back up?
Mail and Notes (if running); Contacts, Calendar, Reminders, Photo Stream, Find My Mac, and iCloud Documents are checked every hour. Mail app and Notes app need to be open before you put your computer to sleep in order to receive updates during Power Nap.
Time Machine backups are attempted hourly until a successful backup has been completed.
Software Updates are checked daily.
Mac App Store downloads are checked once a week.

..although I've never seen this problem personally in my ANECDOTAL experience of losing wireless connectivity when sleeping with pre-Power Nap OSes or had to keep the adapter connected before, or even now to retain wireless; caveat is that I only use my 13-inch Late 2013 rMBP with AEBSes / Asus RT-N56Us / whatever Cablevision or Starbucks uses / lovely Clearwire 4G puck that only serves up 802.11g.

Binary Badger fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Jan 6, 2014

Duckman2008
Jan 6, 2010

TFW you see Flyers goaltending.
Grimey Drawer

Animal posted:

Does it work if I only buy Apple Care with AMEX? I already bought my Mac with a different credit card, but dont have AppleCare yet. It would be great if it extended it an extra year.

Pretty sure you would need the device purchase to be via the Amex card, so just buying apple care with warranty wouldn't do anything. Def double check with Amex though.

And yes, I meant Amex covers the difference on the extra year, no Apple. Sorry about that!

Animal
Apr 8, 2003

I'll ask them when its time to buy AppleCare, but it would be too good to be true.

Star War Sex Parrot
Oct 2, 2003

I've held out about as long as I can for a refurbished 2013 rMBP to show up. It looks like I'll have to buy one this week and maybe hope that they show up on the refurb store within the return policy for my new one.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

Star War Sex Parrot posted:

I've held out about as long as I can for a refurbished 2013 rMBP to show up. It looks like I'll have to buy one this week and maybe hope that they show up on the refurb store within the return policy for my new one.

You can search open boxes at best buy within a certain number of miles from your zip code on their site

Star War Sex Parrot
Oct 2, 2003

Bob Morales posted:

You can search open boxes at best buy within a certain number of miles from your zip code on their site
Education is $200 off so that'll probably be better than Best Buy open box, but I'll take a look. Thanks.

japtor
Oct 28, 2005

Animal posted:

Does it work if I only buy Apple Care with AMEX? I already bought my Mac with a different credit card, but dont have AppleCare yet. It would be great if it extended it an extra year.
I'm not sure where I heard this so it could be off, but I think the deal is that they cover up to the original purchase price (i.e. full replacement), so you would've had to have bought the machine with it.

Star War Sex Parrot
Oct 2, 2003

Refurb store just got a ton of products, but no late-2013 rMBPs :(

Spacedad
Sep 11, 2001

We go play orbital catch around the curvature of the earth, son.
Got an artist friend who is interested in getting an imac or a mac pro, and using it with a cintiq (which he'll buy later) for art programs. (Premiere, final cut pro, photoshop, flash, toonboom, maya, etc.)


Think you guys can help me pick out a great quality computer for him from the refurbished stuff that was just put up?

NOTinuyasha
Oct 17, 2006

 
The Great Twist

fleshweasel posted:

I think it's a crime that apple still sells machines without solid state.

The real crime is the SuperDrive they still ship the non-r MBP with. What exactly are you supposed to put in that thing, in this, the year of our Lord, two-thousand and fourteen?

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

I have a 2012 iMac and it does not have any optical drive.

FlashBangBob
Jul 5, 2007

BLAM! Internet Found!

NOTinuyasha posted:

The real crime is the SuperDrive they still ship the non-r MBP with. What exactly are you supposed to put in that thing, in this, the year of our Lord, two-thousand and fourteen?

Best Buy stills sells CDs. Gotta rip your music somehow.

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade


A lot of software like Rosetta Stone is still only available on physical media.

NOTinuyasha
Oct 17, 2006

 
The Great Twist

Mu Zeta posted:

I have a 2012 iMac and it does not have any optical drive.

Yeah I realized that and ninja edited it out but this thread is faster than me. I don't see many iMacs in the wild except for the old ones for some reason.

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009

Binary Badger posted:

A lot of software like Rosetta Stone is still only available on physical media.

http://www.rosettastone.com/product-comparison :confused: Seems like they offer downloads?

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

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Star War Sex Parrot posted:

Refurb store just got a ton of products, but no late-2013 rMBPs :(

Yeah, they do have a lot of Early 2013 and Late 2012 rMBPs though.

Wonder what's taking so long? I'd be willing to bet the first bunch of Late 2013 rMBPs available on the web store will be 4 GB 13-inchers.

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade



I stand corrected on Rosetta Stone, but you can't convince me the typical folks who buy their stuff at Best Buy / Walmart are gonna pass up physical media for digital downloads, especially when really high speed Internet isn't ubiquitous across the country, and especially when it's mostly physical media that goes on sale in holiday flyers.

Ultimate Mango
Jan 18, 2005

I have many hundreds of DVDs (not porn get your minds out of the gutter) and will pop one into my super duper drive. These are things I can't be arsed to rip but want to watch from time to time. Seriously to pirate or rip this stuff would be a pain.

iostream.h
Mar 14, 2006
I want your happy place to slap you as it flies by.

Binary Badger posted:

I stand corrected on Rosetta Stone, but you can't convince me the typical folks who buy their stuff at Best Buy / Walmart are gonna pass up physical media for digital downloads, especially when really high speed Internet isn't ubiquitous across the country, and especially when it's mostly physical media that goes on sale in holiday flyers.
I readily admit that I'm not a typical consumer (goon goon hurr) but the optical drive was appealing to me based on exactly the above. I've mentioned it in other threads not sure if I have here, but my ONLY option for high speed internet is via my Verizon Jetpack (a major bitch of mine is living in close proximity to a major metro area, literally 3 minutes from a huge new shopping complex and zero internet available from ANY provider here). Turns out, it's not as big a thing as I thought, especially since picking up a MBPr with an added SuperDrive. If there's really something I need I zip over to the public library but all in all, there's just not THAT much that I'm regularly installing or anything.

Obviously, based on my experience I'll NEVER declare that my needs and solutions should be a suitable option for everyone, but I've been pleasantly surprised at how not-a-big-deal it really has turned out to be.

shrughes
Oct 11, 2008

(call/cc call/cc)
Omitting an optical drive might be the cool new thing, but I really can't be arsed when a Slackware installer goes looking for a cdrom or those days when I get super paranoid about plugging reprogrammable firmware devices between one machine and another. Oh well yeah there's these external optical drives but it's so easy to contaminate an air gap when using those... you only do your banking from a banking-only laptop connecting from a cafe via Tor, right? It's the only way to keep your money safe.

Other reasons to have an optical drive: for burning MP3 CDs because your flash-based MP3 player's battery isn't going to last on a long trip and the last thing you want to do is have your phone on such that the NSA can track you.

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade


Also, I recently got this from Newegg:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136266

For $40 it's great, the silver finish matches my rMBP and it does all the stuff a SuperDrive would do for half the price. Except it's not a tray-less drive like the SuperDrive that auto-sucks in your CD/DVD.

I also like the fact it's still got an eject hole you can poke a paper clip into to force eject the disc, whereas you have to literally disassemble the SuperDrive if the disk gets stuck.

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eddiewalker
Apr 28, 2004

Arrrr ye landlubber

Binary Badger posted:

I also like the fact it's still got an eject hole you can poke a paper clip into to force eject the disc, whereas you have to literally disassemble the SuperDrive if the disk gets stuck.

Back when I worked in a lab full of iMacs with slot loading drives, when a disc got stuck we'd jam a second disc halfway in so it got jammed on top of the first then yank both out.

Standard procedure.

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