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Smoking Crow posted:I recently watched the Ultimate Warrior's match at Wrestlemania 6 and it was loving terrible. This match will forever hold a special place in my heart. I was 7 years old and my family had been in the county less than a year. Crying and begging a new immigrant dad to attend some dumb wrestling event he could barely afford and not understand seems terrible in hindsight but we sure had an amazing time. I offered to return the favour 12 years later for Wrestlemania X8 but dad hated the Attitude era and declined. Hogan is 0 for 2 when I've been in attendance.
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This is a list of Meltzer's worst rated matches: http://www.profightdb.com/worst-rated-matches.html He gave -***** to Bushwhackers vs. Volkoff & Sheik at HOW, Hogan-Warrior II, the Mr. T vs. Roddy Piper boxing match at WM2 and Junkyard Dog vs. Moondog Spot at The Wrestling Classic.
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Jan 7, 2014 01:50
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Psh, Mr. T vs Piper wasn't that bad. At least not on the level of Warrior/Hogan or Junkyard vs Moondog.
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Are Chris Harris and James Storm the only two wrestlers to have a WMOTY candidate and a MOTY candidate with each other in the same year?
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EugeneJ posted:Are Chris Harris and James Storm the only two wrestlers to have a WMOTY candidate and a MOTY candidate with each other in the same year? Nope Chono and Rude had a WMOTYC and a MOTYC together in the same year.
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Jan 7, 2014 01:56
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DeathChicken posted:Psh, Mr. T vs Piper wasn't that bad. It was at least only -**** because it earns 1 star back when Piper throws the world's tiniest stool at T while wearing boxing gloves.
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Jan 7, 2014 02:12
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VogeGandire posted:It was at least only -**** because it earns 1 star back when Piper throws the world's tiniest stool at T while wearing boxing gloves. God, he just loving whips that thing at him too. So much cocaine.
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Jan 7, 2014 02:27
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Can you buy the Wrestlemania X-7 DVD from WWE any more? I can't seem to find it on their page. I have my copy from 2001 but I wanted to get one for a friend of mine in the US.
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Memento posted:Can you buy the Wrestlemania X-7 DVD from WWE any more? I can't seem to find it on their page. I have my copy from 2001 but I wanted to get one for a friend of mine in the US. Nope - eBay that poo poo while you still can
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If they still have the Wrestlemania Anthology, it's in volume 4.
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STAC Goat posted:Its weird but WCW used to have actual time limit draws quite often. Just random matches that ended in time limit draws. I could see people hating that because it kills matches but I remember really liking it because it just added an air of reality to wrestling for me. The same as matches ending on non finishes or moves that were traditionally transition moves. It may be anticlimactic but it helps draw me in to the fantasy that this stuff is real and each move done actually is done to try and win instead of sitting back waiting for a finishing sequence. Didn't the WCW TV Title have a 10 or 15-minute time limit on those matches? I seem to recall a few of those going to time limit draws. Time limits still exist in some of the indies though, the last 2CW show I went to had every match with an announced 60-minute time limit, which would have lead to a theoretical 11 or 12 hour show, which would have been a hell of a deal for a $15 ticket, though we would all have been near death by the end.
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I never saw WrestleMania IV, what was so bad about the Jake Roberts vs. Rick Rude match that it got -** for?
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They spent most of the last half of the match with Rude working a sleeper on Jake. There were some temporary reversals, but they still got "booring" chants. Then Roberts was on fire for the last three minutes...until they did the double clothesline spot and struggled to pin each other. Rude was just about to get a rope-assisted pin when the bell rang, and the announcer declared a time limit draw, so both were out of the tournament. The match started building a good pace, then got really slow, then got hot again before collapsing in the last minute. It was a weird, badly-paced match with a weird, badly-paced finish.
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Halloween Jack posted:They spent most of the last half of the match with Rude working a sleeper on Jake. There were some temporary reversals, but they still got "booring" chants. Then Roberts was on fire for the last three minutes...until they did the double clothesline spot and struggled to pin each other. Rude was just about to get a rope-assisted pin when the bell rang, and the announcer declared a time limit draw, so both were out of the tournament. Add to that it was coming after some bad matches with bad finishes and one more lovely finish stings that much more.
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NotQuiteQuentin posted:It's easier to answer these questions as one giant answer. DG has tried dating back to T2P to make the new generation ace with Milano. CIMA and Magnum were such huge stars among Toryumon that it'd take a very special person to fill that role. Mocchi took over Magnum's slot with the M2K stable and Magnum's countless injuries/leaving. A big problem is that there is still a majority of the ticket buying DG fans who want to see CIMA on top and haven't connected to "newer" aces enough to cement them in that slot. They've now tried twice with Shingo Takagi, Yoshino doesn't have the charisma, BXB Hulk doesn't have the "main event" feeling, and they are gun shy with Tozawa. Thanks for the response, this is all interesting info. I always assumed Magu left because of the eye injury; I didn't know about the embezzling. I also had read that CIMA took over booking in the aftermath of that, which is why DG took a slightly "USA indy" turn for awhile (the era with Jack Evans, matches with lots more crazy spots, etc). This had led me to assume that a lot of the reason DG had failed to build up their younger guys was a refusal on the part of some of the older guys (especially CIMA) to give up the spotlight. I was a big SaiRyo fan and understand why his 2006 push fell flat, but I figured by now that Hulk, Takagi, Tozawa or YAMATO would be ready to take the top spot by this point. It's kind of depressing to think that the true aces are the same guys who were leading the company back in 2005 (minus Magu and Milano, obviously).
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MassRafTer posted:Add to that it was coming after some bad matches with bad finishes and one more lovely finish stings that much more.
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What makes the Rude vs Roberts match really frustrating is that we know both guys can do better.
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I'm assuming the answer to this is "gently caress yes" but is Sable still on bad terms with WWE? It seems like getting her to appear on an old school Raw wouldn't be a huge deal if Brock is there.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:What makes the Rude vs Roberts match really frustrating is that we know both guys can do better. I'm a big fan of both Rude and Roberts, but that was a tough thing to watch for exactly this reason.
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Jan 7, 2014 16:28
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When was the last time RAW was pre-empted? They used to get pushed aside for tennis and dog shows back in the day but it seems like that hasn't happened since I started following again in 2010.
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MassRafTer posted:Add to that it was coming after some bad matches with bad finishes and one more lovely finish stings that much more. It's been a while since I've watched Wrestlemania 4 but I recall enjoying the first hour of it despite the terrible endings. And make no mistake, Bam Bam vs. One Man Gang was one of THE worst match endings I've ever seen, but with a lot of it I was still fairly entertained... plus we had Hogan's legendary swimming promo. Roberts vs. Rude isn't just a bad match with a bad ending. It absolutely kills the show and ruins any momentum it had going for it because it's just two guys killing time for 15 minutes for the sake of removing them from the tournament.
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flashy_mcflash posted:I'm assuming the answer to this is "gently caress yes" but is Sable still on bad terms with WWE? It seems like getting her to appear on an old school Raw wouldn't be a huge deal if Brock is there. She'd probably want a talent contract to appear on-screen. Good luck getting Vince to pay for that.
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Maxwell Lord posted:When was the last time RAW was pre-empted? They used to get pushed aside for tennis and dog shows back in the day but it seems like that hasn't happened since I started following again in 2010. I'm pretty sure that one of the terms of the last contract renewal with NBC Universal was that they would no longer be preempted for the Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show.
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Timby posted:I'm pretty sure that one of the terms of the last contract renewal with NBC Universal was that they would no longer be preempted for the Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show. Did the dog show actually do better numbers than RAW, though? Even when RAW was hot as hell it still would up being pre-empted.
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Endorph posted:Back in the day when RAW got pre-empted my brother and I would watch the Dog Show while doing JR/King voices. This mostly consisted of us yelling PUPPIES and giggling uncontrollably. It was part of the contract between USA and WWF.
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Jan 7, 2014 19:56
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Given how much story hate there was between Rude and Jake, I don't know why they wouldn't just do the Hogan/Andre thing and have them beat each other with chairs until a double DQ. Hogan/Andre could have ended on a double countout to the same effect.
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Endorph posted:Back in the day when RAW got pre-empted my brother and I would watch the Dog Show while doing JR/King voices. This mostly consisted of us yelling PUPPIES and giggling uncontrollably. The Dog Show wouldn't do better ratings than Attitude era Raw, but the ratings were good and it had a ton of advertiser prestige so it brought in more revenue than an episode of Raw.
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Endorph posted:Back in the day when RAW got pre-empted my brother and I would watch the Dog Show while doing JR/King voices. This mostly consisted of us yelling PUPPIES and giggling uncontrollably. Dave and Bryan actually talk about the preemptions on today's podcast. USA failing to guarantee that Raw would no longer be preempted was actually how they got around USA's clause that allowed them to match a different offer and onto TNN/Spike. The dog show and US Open didn't get better ratings, but they did bring in much more ad revenue due to attracting more desirable demos for advertisers.
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Jan 7, 2014 20:12
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I'm guessing WCW must have gone nuts on Nitro making fun of them when they got pre-empted? It just seems like something they'd do (and Vince if the situation was reversed).
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DeathChicken posted:Given how much story hate there was between Rude and Jake, I don't know why they wouldn't just do the Hogan/Andre thing and have them beat each other with chairs until a double DQ. Hogan/Andre could have ended on a double countout to the same effect.
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Regarding Botchamania: I have come to understand that the early ones are too unpolished, and the later ones don't have good material to work with. So what's the magic sweet spot to start watching some of these?
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Why cookie Rocket posted:Regarding Botchamania: I have come to understand that the early ones are too unpolished, and the later ones don't have good material to work with. So what's the magic sweet spot to start watching some of these? The early ones are fine. You can pretty much stop watching when he just starts uploading nothing but unedited CZW show clips, or worse yet has to rely entirely on minor miscues at the latest WWE PPV to make a six-minute episode. Really he ran out of content, is all.
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Memento posted:Can you buy the Wrestlemania X-7 DVD from WWE any more? I can't seem to find it on their page. I have my copy from 2001 but I wanted to get one for a friend of mine in the US. I found an original copy used at a store for 8 bucks a few years back. It's my most prized wrestling DVD, filled with non-blurred logos and Limp Bizkit goodness.
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Some of the latest botchamanias still have good moments. I loved the one of the two indy dudes failing to break a table like six times while Booker T went bugfuck insane.
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Why cookie Rocket posted:Regarding Botchamania: I have come to understand that the early ones are too unpolished, and the later ones don't have good material to work with. So what's the magic sweet spot to start watching some of these? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKVYrjMXMqc This is probably the best Botchamania segment of all time. It's the best/worst ladder match I've ever seen. Edit: Starts at 6:31. Capsaicin fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Jan 8, 2014 |
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Supreme Allah posted:I'm guessing WCW must have gone nuts on Nitro making fun of them when they got pre-empted? It just seems like something they'd do (and Vince if the situation was reversed). I can recall one of the commentators (tony?) mentioning something about snooty dogs beating the boys up north or something to that effect when they got pre-empted by the dog show
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Capsaicin posted:This is probably the best Botchamania segment of all time. It's the best/worst ladder match I've ever seen. Oh my loving lord, I LOST it at the guy SSPing himself on the turnbuckle.
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VogeGandire posted:Oh my loving lord, I LOST it at the guy SSPing himself on the turnbuckle. I love that it's him losing his balance at first, so you think "that's all it is", but then it stays on him a bit more and you're like, "how else is he going to gently caress up?". You can think of at least five different things other than "not moving forward and just smashing his gut on the turnbuckle", but good lord, that's the best option of all.
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VogeGandire posted:Oh my loving lord, I LOST it at the guy SSPing himself on the turnbuckle. That's this fella if I remember right.  Right onto Sexy Chuckie T.
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