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George Zimmer posted:Just out of curiosity, why do you not like them? Plus the new energy recovery systems and fuel flow limits to try to keep the "we're developing roadcar tech!!!" myth going are a) dumb and boring and b) going to punish drivers who actually want to drive their racecars, which is just total horseshit. LeMans is going to be a 24 hour fuel conservation stint with the overall win never in question in all likelihood, kill me dead. Seriously, I think P2 is a better spec in every measurable way and I wish the rest of the manufacturers would move to it like Honda and Mazda have.
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Jan 13, 2014 23:37
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Fag Boy Jim posted:Didn't GT1 rules require like, one model, and enough cargo space to carry a briefcase (which Toyota got around by saying that you could put one in the fuel tank) That's faulty upkeep of the rules more than anything. That's usually what kills homologation when it's included in racing, after a few years they let specials in and it fucks everything. Mandate a hard and fast rule, like "500 models must be produced for both the American and European markets meeting all road safety standards for a total of 1000 models". I feel like homologation is a better way to control costs then spec stuff like Indy or NASCAR use. If you want the series to be bleeding edge fast, make the homologation number something dumb, like 10. Want the cars slightly faster than GT cars? Make it something dumb, like 5000. e- also I wouldn't care if the homologation was just a sideskirt to making factories sell cars to privateers only, the cars making it to the street are irrelevant Seizure Meat fucked around with this message at 23:40 on Jan 13, 2014 |
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Jan 13, 2014 23:37
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Alfa also killed Supertouring by making a road-going model with air dams and spoilers- which turned the series into an aerodynamics arms race with higher costs, and worse racing the lesson here is that all good touring, GT, and proto rules have a shelf life of like three years before they go to poo poo. Will be interested to see how long TUSC goes, though BOP is probably going to be a loving issue
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Jan 13, 2014 23:39
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Yeah, you can't let a homologation rule sit for years. Every two or three years you have to tweak the formula.
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Jan 13, 2014 23:40
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Thats my ultimate fix for F1. Every 3 years, you gather all the chief designers in a way-too-hot high school gym in the middle of nowhere, and pull the rules randomly out of a hat. Then the designers get 24 hours to hand draw their cars for the next 3 years, and they cant leave the gym or use anything but a calculator. *rustles in a smelly old NHL hat* Oookkk... carbureted V16s *rustle rustle* 9 feet wide *rustle rustle* Movable aero pieces *rustle rustle* 24in wheels... GO
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Jan 13, 2014 23:59
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Jan 14, 2014 00:03
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Group C rocked before the FIA killed it.
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Jan 14, 2014 00:20
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Cygni posted:Its a spec that purposefully excludes privateers and has the straightest money = win path in all of major motorsports. You're right, it is a money race, but that's kinda what makes it cool. The manufacturers pouring in millions to make the most cutting edge sports cars they possibly can has created alot of incredible designs. I also like the whole "marque vs. marque" aspect of it. It's a test of a manufacturer's ability to make a sports car, and a drat good one. I'm not big on the new tech regs either, but that's more FIA being stupid than an inherent flaw in the P1 class.
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Jan 14, 2014 00:46
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Cygni posted:Thats my ultimate fix for F1. Every 3 years, you gather all the chief designers in a way-too-hot high school gym in the middle of nowhere, and pull the rules randomly out of a hat. Then the designers get 24 hours to hand draw their cars for the next 3 years, and they cant leave the gym or use anything but a calculator. The best idea in the history of all Something Awful auto racing threads, right here
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Jan 14, 2014 01:13
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The FIA GT1 rules in 2010 (?) were such an awesome, platonic ideal for like one season. Every make has four cars split on two teams (thus justifying investment and allowing for a "works" and "customer" split too) and if memory serves they were also performance balanced a little bit too. And ideally I think the rules were set for four years, or at least planned to be. Stability, variety, and equality in balancing the cars. It was what you'd draw up on paper. Shame it didn't survive. Now they've moved on to having GT3 machines be the top spec (right?) and those are about as good, if just a little slower.
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Jan 14, 2014 01:24
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VikingSkull posted:That's faulty upkeep of the rules more than anything. That's usually what kills homologation when it's included in racing, after a few years they let specials in and it fucks everything. Man road safety standards are a political black hole but I always loved the 50 off production vehicles for racing.
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Jan 14, 2014 03:01
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harperdc posted:The FIA GT1 rules in 2010 (?) were such an awesome, platonic ideal for like one season. Every make has four cars split on two teams (thus justifying investment and allowing for a "works" and "customer" split too) and if memory serves they were also performance balanced a little bit too. And ideally I think the rules were set for four years, or at least planned to be. That set of rules was good for about one year before the series went to poo poo. I remember liking it, but the BOP stuff left a funny taste in my mouth. Like, I pretty much dislike BOP in all sportscar racing- if I wanted equal cars, I'd watch Spec Miata, or some poo poo. I suppose I don't mind it in touring cars so much, but GTs and Prototypes being performance-balanced just leaves a funny taste in my mouth.
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harperdc posted:The FIA GT1 rules in 2010 (?) were such an awesome, platonic ideal for like one season. 
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VikingSkull posted:Honestly the first thing I think of when I combine Caesar's Palace and motorsport is broken bones. Caesar's Palace GP is in contention for the worst F1 circuit of all time.
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Jan 14, 2014 21:33
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Fag Boy Jim posted:Didn't GT1 rules require like, one model, and enough cargo space to carry a briefcase (which Toyota got around by saying that you could put one in the fuel tank) It's very vague. Nissan built 2 R390s, I'm not even sure if they were ever sold to the public. There are 3 road going Longtail McLaren F1s, one GTR, and 5 LMs. The best Homologation car though is the Dauer 962 Lemans. Human Grand Prix fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Jan 14, 2014 |
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Jan 14, 2014 21:38
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FIA GT1 was such a resounding success that the rules changed every year and then they abandoned it when it turned into GT3 sprint... The homologation rules for early GT1 changed from having to make a handful of cars to only having to produce one, as I remember things, probably between 1996 and 1997. By 1998 we were definitely at the stage of companies making a single 'road car' that was basically hopeless on the road and which would never leave the company archive (looking at you, Toyota TS020, Porsche 911 GT1 evo, and so on).
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Jan 14, 2014 23:05
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That's on the sanctioning body, though. It's like Communism, in theory it's awesome but then idiots implement it.
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Jan 14, 2014 23:17
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I tend to agree with Fag Boy Jim about balance of perfomance but I look at how well it's working for GT3 and the fact that you can enter a car into national or international races with a multitude of organizers all of whom can refer to a BOP table but don't have to take any flak for doing the actual balancing and I wonder.
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Jan 15, 2014 02:06
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Some Dakar spoilers if you are behind: link gently caress X Raid forever. They are consistently the worst whiners, sponsor poachers, etc. 3 days left, what a joke.
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Jan 17, 2014 02:57
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Some of the stages at Rally Monte Carlo are loving terrifying. Here's Meeke/Nagle on SS03: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vclbcO8ncEg poo poo gets real around 6:00 when it goes from bog standard wet tarmac to a nightmare of frozen rain, ice, and slushy snow.
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Jan 17, 2014 06:58
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Cygni posted:Some Dakar spoilers if you are behind: Wow. I know Dakar is dangerous but literally telling your team to give up when they're only 2 minutes behind is insane.
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Jan 17, 2014 14:13
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Roma got a puncture on stage 12, so now Peterhansel is leading by 26 seconds. The last stage is tomorrow. Team orders or not, tomorrow is going to be miiiiiiiiiiiiiiighty interesting.
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Jan 18, 2014 08:17
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Entry list for Rolex 24 is at 67, Nissan bailed to get a mid season thing going otherwise we would've had 68 cars. Anyways not surprised Hinch is in the Mazda but don't expect them to really compete. Kind of sad McNish isn't in the Starworks for a one last try at Daytona. But oh well. http://media.racer.com/documents/60/2014_rolex24atdaytona_spotters_14836.pdf
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Jan 20, 2014 07:53
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Not every day you can say you have CART, IRL, Formula 1, V8 Supercars, NASCAR, Bathurst and Le Mans race winners in the same field.
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LordPants posted:Not every day you can say you have CART, IRL, Formula 1, V8 Supercars, NASCAR, Bathurst and Le Mans race winners in the same field.
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Pablo Bluth posted:Don't forget a certain three times WTCC Champion is in there too. How did I forget Andy Priaulx 
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Jan 20, 2014 10:43
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Nobody remembers the WTCC.
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Jan 20, 2014 10:52
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This is all I think of when someone mentions WTCC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2nPhRoctYQ Note: you may wish to mute the sound.
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Jan 20, 2014 10:58
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I cant believe the finish of Dakar somehow got even WORSE than the bullshit from a few days ago...
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UnionCarbide posted:Some of the stages at Rally Monte Carlo are loving terrifying. Here's Meeke/Nagle on SS03: That's one of the best incars I have ever seen.
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Jan 21, 2014 11:17
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Alex Zanardi thanks to that DTM test over a year ago is getting that itch again to race. Not in Indycar but in the Blancpain Series in a Z4 GT3. http://www.nationalspeedsportnews.com/road-racing/other-road-racing/zanardi-returns-to-cockpit-for-2014/
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BMB5150 posted:Alex Zanardi thanks to that DTM test over a year ago is getting that itch again to race. Not in Indycar but in the Blancpain Series in a Z4 GT3. I think he'll definitely have a leg up on the competition this time around
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BMB5150 posted:Alex Zanardi thanks to that DTM test over a year ago is getting that itch again to race. Not in Indycar but in the Blancpain Series in a Z4 GT3. Does anyone drive with throttle controls on the wheel in single seaters? I'd imagine it'd be pretty hard to jam all that poo poo in there unless you had a big budget.
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Jan 22, 2014 01:55
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He was able to drive a ChampCar in 2003 at the Eurospeedway and test a BMW Sauber in 2006, and I'm guessing that if there was a problem, they wouldn't have let him do that... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3kXXtJKKPE - first 10 minutes or so) I've always thought the biggest problem with someone with disabilities with Zanardi and single seaters would be making sure that they could safely get out of the car, but that must have been considered if they let him drive them at speed - apparently, his speeds running practice laps the day before would have been good for fifth on the grid, so he was certainly gunning it!t
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Jan 22, 2014 03:34
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As far as I know, the only racing organization that mandates a specific exit time from a burning car is the SCTA at Bonneville, etc. Is there any others out there that specify you have to get out of a car unassisted in a certain amount of time or else you aren't cleared to race?
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Jan 22, 2014 04:31
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VikingSkull posted:As far as I know, the only racing organization that mandates a specific exit time from a burning car is the SCTA at Bonneville, etc. Is there any others out there that specify you have to get out of a car unassisted in a certain amount of time or else you aren't cleared to race?
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Jan 22, 2014 05:19
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It's probably the weight and added complexity of those devices that kept him away. It's easier to package and hide the weight in a touring car or GT car versus a single-seater.
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IndyCars also don't have power steering, which can be pretty wild on the bumpy streets, and have some serious g-loads on the high banks. Your hand slipping on the wheel a bit and getting fatigued is a much bigger deal when your brakes are attached to it. Sounds more stressful/difficult than worth it.
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I AM CYGNI, CRUSHER OF DREAMS
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