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I'm surprised Meltzer put the 04 and 92 Rumbles at 3-star range and the 95 Rumble slightly below them. I thought that 95 Rumble sucked.
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# ? Jan 16, 2014 23:01 |
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Halloween Jack posted:Kama! Like Tazz, but a foot taller, and therefore a foot better! Agreed.
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# ? Jan 16, 2014 23:10 |
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oldpainless posted:I'm surprised Meltzer put the 04 and 92 Rumbles at 3-star range and the 95 Rumble slightly below them. I thought that 95 Rumble sucked. But it was short!
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# ? Jan 16, 2014 23:30 |
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Having just rewatched all the Rumbles, here are the most problemantic ones: 1988: The first one which is nothing but midcarders being extremely boring. It's a match where charismatic guys like Warrior, Hillbilly Jim and Junkyard Dog would come out, enter the ring, do a big pile of nothing and then just kind of fall out of the ring to no fanfare. Only the last two minutes are worth sitting through. 1991: This was the first one I ever saw as a kid, meaning I loved it then, but revisiting it, it isn't very good. It gave us Bushwacker Luke's elimination and LOD vs. Undertaker, but whatever isn't uneventful is just a big Hogan wankfest. Considering how great they booked Hogan vs. two heel finalists the year before, it sucked that they had Hogan beat Earthquake and Knobbs via "Hulking out and then... Hulking out again." 1994: Everyone remembers this one for Diesel kicking rear end for a while and the double-winner ending, but the rest of this match is completely dire. In-between Diesel's elimination and the final two, you'll be checking your watch and comparing it to the runtime. 1999: This one stinks of Russo. It's overbooked inside and outside the ring. The ring gets cleared every ten minutes. Kane eliminates himself for a nonsense reason. Wrestlecrap just inducted it and gives it a good rundown of what was wrong, but despite its many, many problems, it's still watchable. 2012: This is the Rumble that didn't take itself seriously in any way, such as making almost a third of the roster joke/guest entries. All while deciding that they only had room for one Uso. It also has the only Royal Rumble ending where I completely disagree with the winner in terms of the booking making any sense.
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# ? Jan 17, 2014 00:01 |
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Where can I read more about the drama of the Monday Night Wars? That's what I grew up on and I want to learn more about it since my understanding is basically the Wikipedia article.
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Luigi Thirty posted:Where can I read more about the drama of the Monday Night Wars? That's what I grew up on and I want to learn more about it since my understanding is basically the Wikipedia article. The Observer.
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# ? Jan 17, 2014 00:40 |
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Gaz-L posted:The Observer. The WCW thread on PSP while obviously WCW focused also essentially doubles as the Monday Night War thread and questions about that era often are covered.
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# ? Jan 17, 2014 01:14 |
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The book Death of WCW is also a good read in that respect. It focuses on the WCW side of the way, natch, but also goes into the WWF stuff that affected them.
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# ? Jan 17, 2014 01:26 |
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What are the best Rumbles? I haven't seen 2003-2011. I want to watch those, and whatever classic ones that still hold up.
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# ? Jan 17, 2014 03:18 |
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Die Laughing posted:What are the best Rumbles? I haven't seen 2003-2011. I want to watch those, and whatever classic ones that still hold up. You definitely need to watch 1992 if you haven't yet.
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# ? Jan 17, 2014 03:21 |
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2007 and 2008 are both really good.
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# ? Jan 17, 2014 03:28 |
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2008 was scientifically proven to be the best Royal Rumble.
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# ? Jan 17, 2014 03:38 |
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Watch 05 just to see Cena and Batista gently caress up the finish and Vince tear his quad getting in the ring so he has sit on his rear end in the ring.
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# ? Jan 17, 2014 03:59 |
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I had thought for a long time that the '05 Rumble was the real finish and the only screwup was Vince's quads. It's amazing that so many things went so wrong.
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# ? Jan 17, 2014 04:14 |
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Honestly the screw up makes it better. Both Cena and Batista ended up winning a title that year and went on to be the two biggest faces for the next era. Both of them "winning" the Rumble before it being restarted is a cool moment. Though just letting hem both win ruins the thumbs down moment so good thing Batista was the actual winner.
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# ? Jan 17, 2014 04:26 |
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Die Laughing posted:What are the best Rumbles? I haven't seen 2003-2011. I want to watch those, and whatever classic ones that still hold up. Ones that are must-watch: 1990 1992 2001 2003 2004 2004 Smackdown Rumble 2007 2008 Even the Rumbles considered bad are worth a watch.
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# ? Jan 17, 2014 04:38 |
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:I had thought for a long time that the '05 Rumble was the real finish and the only screwup was Vince's quads. It's amazing that so many things went so wrong.
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:I had thought for a long time that the '05 Rumble was the real finish and the only screwup was Vince's quads. It's amazing that so many things went so wrong. Yeah, I had no idea that that wasn't the planned finish until years later. Really quick thinking by the refs/the guys yelling in the refs' earpieces about the Raw/Smackdown referees saying that their guy won.
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# ? Jan 17, 2014 04:49 |
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If I recall correctly, because they took a couple minutes of stalling to figure out what the gently caress was going on and then whether Vince could stand, they came within about a minute of running over on PPV time (which was why the restart was pretty much one spinebuster and an immediate toss).
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# ? Jan 17, 2014 05:51 |
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Why is it that the face tag team is almost always in the far left corner and the heel tag team tends to be in the near right one?
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# ? Jan 17, 2014 07:04 |
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The Foley show tonight was fun and entertaining, and Mick was nice as can be afterwards with a Q&A and mett and greet. The only boos where for a dumbass audience member who asked in what was supposed to be the last question of the session about "What do you think about Chris Benoit not being in the Hall of--" and then a chorus of boos. Mick took another two questions extra as a palate cleaner. Which just leads me to ask why people keep asking about inducting Benoit or showing him on TV or the network more? It's just, drat, if Pete Rose can get banned for life for betting on the Reds, why keep asking about a dude who killed his family?
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# ? Jan 17, 2014 07:06 |
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AlmightyPants posted:Why is it that the face tag team is almost always in the far left corner and the heel tag team tends to be in the near right one? I'd imagine it's for the benefit of the Face in Peril and his partner to always be in the hard camera's sight.
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# ? Jan 17, 2014 07:15 |
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SirDippingSauce posted:The Foley show tonight was fun and entertaining, and Mick was nice as can be afterwards with a Q&A and mett and greet. The only boos where for a dumbass audience member who asked in what was supposed to be the last question of the session about "What do you think about Chris Benoit not being in the Hall of--" and then a chorus of boos. Mick took another two questions extra as a palate cleaner. Which just leads me to ask why people keep asking about inducting Benoit or showing him on TV or the network more? It's just, drat, if Pete Rose can get banned for life for betting on the Reds, why keep asking about a dude who killed his family?
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# ? Jan 17, 2014 07:17 |
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I doubt they put this much thought into it, but I remember reading an article about subtexts in movies, and the "good guys" are always going from left to right.
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# ? Jan 17, 2014 07:18 |
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Gavok posted:Ones that are must-watch: wait, were there seperate RAW/Smackdown rumbles in 2004? How did that work?
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# ? Jan 17, 2014 07:19 |
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Blasmeister posted:wait, were there seperate RAW/Smackdown rumbles in 2004? How did that work? Since Benoit won the Rumble and got the Raw title match, they had a second one on SmackDown a couple weeks later for the WWE Title Shot. It was on an episode of SmackDown. I haven't seen it in years, but I remember it was a hell of a match.
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# ? Jan 17, 2014 07:25 |
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Yeah. Benoit was on Smackdown and used the Rumble win as a loophole to challenge for Triple H's title on Raw and jump ship. On the first Smackdown after the Rumble, Heyman decided to make due by doing a 15-man Royal Rumble of just Smackdown guys where the winner would face Lesnar at No Way Out. It was a really good match and worth looking up on YouTube.
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Gavok posted:The book Death of WCW is also a good read in that respect. It focuses on the WCW side of the way, natch, but also goes into the WWF stuff that affected them. Aha, this is exactly what I'm looking for. And it's 9 bucks on my Kindle too.
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# ? Jan 17, 2014 10:49 |
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jeffersonlives posted:If I recall correctly, because they took a couple minutes of stalling to figure out what the gently caress was going on and then whether Vince could stand, they came within about a minute of running over on PPV time (which was why the restart was pretty much one spinebuster and an immediate toss). Apparantly, they were scrambling around backstage for a few minutes looking for Eric Bischoff, before Vince just got up and marched out there himself, without his music, or even a microphone. I don't think he even says anything, as the ring announcer just arbitrarily decides that the match should continue?
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# ? Jan 17, 2014 11:45 |
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Vince didn't get on the microphone, but he definitely talked to the referees while he was out there. I'm sure he was the one who made the call and not the ring announcer. Also I never knew that that was a gently caress-up until reading it here. They handled it pretty drat well, and Vince tearing his quads was the only part that is obviously unplanned.
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# ? Jan 17, 2014 14:25 |
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Luigi Thirty posted:Aha, this is exactly what I'm looking for. And it's 9 bucks on my Kindle too. I guess you already bought it, but there is a newer version of Death of WCW coming out. Unless it's already out? I dunno, I haven't heard Alvarez talk about it in a while.
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# ? Jan 17, 2014 15:26 |
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Gavok posted:Yeah. Benoit was on Smackdown and used the Rumble win as a loophole to challenge for Triple H's title on Raw and jump ship. On the first Smackdown after the Rumble, Heyman decided to make due by doing a 15-man Royal Rumble of just Smackdown guys where the winner would face Lesnar at No Way Out. It was a really good match and worth looking up on YouTube. The end of the Rumble is on the No Way Out DVD, which is worth picking up for the Eddie/Brock match anyway.
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# ? Jan 17, 2014 15:33 |
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triplexpac posted:Didn't Kama beat the Undertaker once?
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# ? Jan 17, 2014 16:21 |
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Minidust posted:I don't think it happened during their 1995 feud, but he did get a clean pin on Undertaker in the match where Ahmed Johnson joined The Nation. Maybe that's what I'm thinking of. Anyway, that means of course he's better than Taz. Who'd Taz ever beat??
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# ? Jan 17, 2014 16:41 |
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Tajiri, a million times. Tazmanian devils are immune to Japanese venom.
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# ? Jan 17, 2014 16:55 |
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I remember reading that Taz went like a year and a half without ever losing in ECW. Is that true?
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# ? Jan 17, 2014 17:17 |
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I don't know if it was a year and a half but yeah, once he came back from his neck injury as Taz he rarely lost and, especially in the first year, often wrestled short matches where he choked people out quickly with his finish.
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# ? Jan 17, 2014 17:19 |
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Yeah, that was when they repackaged him as a "shoot fighter" at a time when people had a hazy idea of what that meant.
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# ? Jan 17, 2014 17:26 |
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Tyma posted:Apparantly, they were scrambling around backstage for a few minutes looking for Eric Bischoff, before Vince just got up and marched out there himself, without his music, or even a microphone. I don't think he even says anything, as the ring announcer just arbitrarily decides that the match should continue? The funniest thing to me was that they announced the match would be restarted. I thought it would have been great if an overly optimistic Eddie Guerrero had come out at that point, assuming they'd start the whole thing over again.
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# ? Jan 17, 2014 17:32 |
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Didn't Jerry Lawler "predict" that the 1995 Rumble would again have two winners (like '94), and Vince promises on-air that it'll never happen again?
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