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Namnesor
Jun 29, 2005

Dante's allowance - $100

twistedmentat posted:

If I have one complaint about season 3 is that as it went on, it became ALL CHANG ALL THE TIME!

On that note, I noticed all of Chang's mannerisms this episode were perfectly season 1-esque.

Although I did catch this nice S2 reference after Mr. Stone catches Jeff in the flawless "gay murderer says what" question.

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Sakarja
Oct 19, 2003

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This was a really great episode. That said, I thought several of the "revelations" were kind of lame and OTT, like the tracers and the amphetamines. From all the hype about this episode (both from critics and writers), I got the impression that the revelations would be more relevant to the characters and their shared history. Of course the main thing is that Troy's leaving, and I can understand that they didn't want to overshadow that. But still, it felt like we didn't really learn much about the characters that we didn't already know, and what was revealed won't change their relationships in any major way (again, with the exception of Troy).

CaptainHollywood posted:

Christmas was Malcom McDowell tied up. It was decent by Season 4 standards.

Season 3 also pushed Dean forward- but it reached stupid levels in season 4. I actually felt Chang was used better in season 4 than the Dean.

The Dean has been great so far this season, he really carried last week's episode. I was surprised that they kept him out of this one.

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




I think both the dean and prof. Hickey could have added to this episode. Pierce getting pissed about his replacement from beyond the grave would have been hilarious, as would the potential to give the dean a vial of sperm and/or call out all his character flaws and past transgressions

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.
Man why didn't the germans show up too? Pierce could have given them some sperm and left them with a zinger like "GERmans more like GAY mens!". :roflolmao:

Lord Of Texas
Dec 26, 2006

Jim Silly-Balls posted:

I think both the dean and prof. Hickey could have added to this episode. Pierce getting pissed about his replacement from beyond the grave would have been hilarious, as would the potential to give the dean a vial of sperm and/or call out all his character flaws and past transgressions

Did the Dean and Pierce really ever interact in a meaningful way? Maybe I'm forgetting something but it made perfect sense to give the Dean this episode off - his character is one that can suffer from overexposure if they aren't careful. As for Hickey, this episode was about the group's history and he just would have been dead weight (the character, not Johnathan Banks who I wish was my grandpa.)

thexerox123
Aug 17, 2007

Yessss it looks like the next episode is both Troy's farewell, and the campus-wide lava episode. That seems appropriate. :3: It's called "Geothermal Escapism".

thexerox123
Aug 17, 2007

Also, how did I not recognize Jonathan Banks in the clips from that episode in the trailer?


I'm really excited.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

CaptainHollywood posted:

Christmas was Malcom McDowell tied up. It was decent by Season 4 standards.

Season 3 also pushed Dean forward- but it reached stupid levels in season 4. I actually felt Chang was used better in season 4 than the Dean.

Oh yea, I completely forgot that. I should rewatch 3 and 4 on netflix as I only own season 1 and 2 on dvd. As i said, they blend together except for the last few episodes with the plot against Chang.

Wait, did season 4 have that episode with the celeb impersonators were Jeff Hulks out?

thexerox123
Aug 17, 2007

twistedmentat posted:

Wait, did season 4 have that episode with the celeb impersonators were Jeff Hulks out?

No, that's season 3. That's where Chang finds his child army for the finale plot.

VagueRant
May 24, 2012
I forgot how much I missed Chang dressing "like a Cuban cab driver". Which then makes me think how cool would it be if they brought Rich back.

Mike From Breaking Bad is confirmed to be in every episode after this one, right?

Also y'all are crazy. There are still no good episodes in season 4. :colbert: (Sure, it was fun to see Jim Rash playing Jeff - but tell me a single joke or funny line from that episode. There's nothing in the entire season that compares to something like "If I wanted the government in my uterus, I'd fill it with oil and Hispanic voters.")

fariz
Nov 10, 2009

You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.

1st AD posted:

lmao this is the biggest lie ever, bigger than Jeff's fake degree.

No, this happened quite often through the fist 3-4 episodes, which is when I stopped reading the thread.

Describing why you didn't like the show was called poo poo posting.
I STILL LIKE IT. was called correct posting.

Butt stuff.

LividLiquid
Apr 13, 2002

Parks and Rec just got another season and in the thread over there, it's being reported that Community has a pretty good chance.

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


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Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
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Irish Joe
Jul 23, 2007

by Lowtax

LividLiquid posted:

Parks and Rec just got another season and in the thread over there,

Ugh, why? They should have put that old, sick dog out of its misery last year. Keeping it around another season is just cruel.

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


LividLiquid posted:

Parks and Rec just got another season and in the thread over there, it's being reported that Community has a pretty good chance.

This is fantastic news.

superjew
Sep 5, 2007

No fair! You changed the outcome by measuring it!
It seems reasonable for them, one more big season for both shows.

Then NBC walks into a bathroom, shuts the door, and we hear a muffled gunshot.

ETB
Nov 8, 2009

Yeah, I'm that guy.
And then a Kickstarter movie... ?

ashpanash
Apr 9, 2008

I can see when you are lying.

To clarify, Parks and Rec did NOT get a season 7 pickup at this time. Bob Greenblat (who runs NBC) blabbed to a reporter that he'd like to keep P&R and Community around. Note that he said it to a reporter. In a scrum at the TCA Press tour.

i.e. he's trying to sell ads for at least P&R and Community and he's using the media to keep the shows in the conversation. If an advertiser thinks a show is doomed, they're a lot less likely to buy ad space there.

Gonna go out on a limb and say this is meaningless, and P&R and Community only get renewals if their already meager ratings does not tank like it does every year. Unless NBC once again finds itself without a single thing to replace them with.

Pinwiz11
Jan 26, 2009

I'm becom-, I'm becom-,
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The can do Season Six AND the Movie at the same time. Just have a four-part episode in Season Six.

Zedd
Jul 6, 2009

I mean, who would have noticed another madman around here?



Irish Joe posted:

Ugh, why? They should have put that old, sick dog out of its misery last year. Keeping it around another season is just cruel.
If you dislike literally everything why do you keep watching and posting about all those shows?

Sakarja
Oct 19, 2003

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It seems like Community's best chance for a sixth season is if NBC decides to keep it around as spackle. And that's assuming they don't make any major changes to their thursday nights. But if the ratings drop below 1.0 (which seems very likely to happen) it's hard to see why they'd want to keep it around. Sure, they still don't have anything to replace it with. But it must be a lot cheaper to just throw new shows at the problem than to bring Community back for another season. Maybe they'll give it another season just to avoid the never-ending #sixseasonsandamovie campaign that will inevitably follow if they don't.

But I can't understand why the people behind Parks & Rec would even want a seventh season (besides inertia and more money). With two cast members departing and others moving on to bigger and better things, it seems like the perfect opportunity to wind the show down.

Irish Joe
Jul 23, 2007

by Lowtax

Zedd posted:

If you dislike literally everything why do you keep watching and posting about all those shows?

I actually think that, barring the first episode, this season of Community has been pretty good overall. I haven't expressed that opinion because its 1) redundant in a thread filled with unmitigated praise and 2) not a particularly interesting or funny thing to say in general.

Paper Lion
Dec 14, 2009




Irish Joe posted:

not a particularly interesting or funny thing to say in general.

Neither are any of your other posts.

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.

fariz posted:

No, this happened quite often through the fist 3-4 episodes, which is when I stopped reading the thread.

Describing why you didn't like the show was called poo poo posting.
I STILL LIKE IT. was called correct posting.

Butt stuff.

You can thank convicted child molester and Star Trek enthusiast Aatrek for that one. He put a blanket ban on all criticism of the show for the first month or so. When he finally gave up on trying to enforce that rule the thread overflowed with bile and the rest of the season was spent complaining about how much the show loving sucked.

El Tortuga
Apr 27, 2007

ĄTerrible es el Guerrero de Tortuga!

Irish Joe posted:

Ugh, why? They should have put that old, sick dog out of its misery last year. Keeping it around another season is just cruel.

Just... stop... being... the worst.

Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011

BRRREADSTOOORRM!

Sakarja posted:

It seems like Community's best chance for a sixth season is if NBC decides to keep it around as spackle. And that's assuming they don't make any major changes to their thursday nights.

About that, NFL is bidding out the rights to at least 8 Thursday Night Football and NBC is odds on favorite since Sunday Night Football is huge ratings win for them.

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

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Sakarja posted:

It seems like Community's best chance for a sixth season is if NBC decides to keep it around as spackle. And that's assuming they don't make any major changes to their thursday nights. But if the ratings drop below 1.0 (which seems very likely to happen) it's hard to see why they'd want to keep it around. Sure, they still don't have anything to replace it with. But it must be a lot cheaper to just throw new shows at the problem than to bring Community back for another season. Maybe they'll give it another season just to avoid the never-ending #sixseasonsandamovie campaign that will inevitably follow if they don't.

While Community doesn't pull anything close to 'good' numbers, they at least know they have a dedicated fan base when Harmon is at the helm. It's probably better than spending a lot of time and effort developing a new show from scratch that pulls a 0.6, like the MJF show does.

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But I can't understand why the people behind Parks & Rec would even want a seventh season (besides inertia and more money). With two cast members departing and others moving on to bigger and better things, it seems like the perfect opportunity to wind the show down.

I'm hoping they can use the cast members leaving as an excuse to give things a bit of a needed reset. Parks was at its best a few seasons ago, but goddamn if it isn't still a very funny show pretty much every week. I have faith in it, and if it means bringing Harris Wittels or Billy Eichner into more prominent roles, I'm all for it.

Sakarja
Oct 19, 2003

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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:

About that, NFL is bidding out the rights to at least 8 Thursday Night Football and NBC is odds on favorite since Sunday Night Football is huge ratings win for them.

That's interesting, I hadn't heard anything about that before now. It sounds like a death sentence for both Community and Parks & Rec if it happens.

EL BROMANCE posted:

While Community doesn't pull anything close to 'good' numbers, they at least know they have a dedicated fan base when Harmon is at the helm. It's probably better than spending a lot of time and effort developing a new show from scratch that pulls a 0.6, like the MJF show does.

That's true, but I think it really depends on where season five bottoms out, or at least how the average ratings for the season turn out. It's hard to see why they'd renew the show if it ever goes down to 0.8 or below.

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I'm hoping they can use the cast members leaving as an excuse to give things a bit of a needed reset. Parks was at its best a few seasons ago, but goddamn if it isn't still a very funny show pretty much every week. I have faith in it, and if it means bringing Harris Wittels or Billy Eichner into more prominent roles, I'm all for it.

I really enjoyed seasons two and three of P&R, but gave up on it pretty early in season four. That said, it never really became awful the way Community did in it's fourth season. It just became unfunny and stale, as everything that used to be funny about the show drowned in a river of twee, unfunny couple's stuff, as well as lacklustre antagonists, characters reduced to cartoon versions of themselves and rehashed stories. They still have a great cast, so there's no reason why they shouldn't be able to end the series on a high note.

Kuiperdolin
Sep 5, 2011

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Sakarja posted:

But it must be a lot cheaper to just throw new shows at the problem than to bring Community back for another season.

How is that cheaper? I don't get it.

Sakarja
Oct 19, 2003

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Kuiperdolin posted:

How is that cheaper? I don't get it.

I'm no expert or anything, but I'd assume that it's more expensive to bring the executive producers and some of the cast members of Community back for a sixth season than it would be to bring in a freshman show where, i'm guessing, it's a buyers market. And after he was fired, Dan Harmon made comments to the effect that it would've been (among other things) too expensive to bring him and Chris McKenna back, and that he was fired in an effort to get Community to syndication on the cheap (and without all the headaches).

Ride The Gravitron
May 2, 2008

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I dunno, I figured with stuff like sets already made and costumes already designed it'd be cheaper to keep a show ongoing than to pick up a new show.

Then again I know nothing about the TV industry.

Klungar
Feb 12, 2008

Klungo make bessst ever video game, 'Hero Klungo Sssavesss Teh World.'

Volume posted:

I dunno, I figured with stuff like sets already made and costumes already designed it'd be cheaper to keep a show ongoing than to pick up a new show.

Then again I know nothing about the TV industry.

Generally speaking, the stars of long running shows earn significantly more than they did when they first started out. I know this show is no "Friends" or "The Simpsons", but that's the model.

Pinwiz11
Jan 26, 2009

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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:

About that, NFL is bidding out the rights to at least 8 Thursday Night Football and NBC is odds on favorite since Sunday Night Football is huge ratings win for them.

What would NBC do for the rest of the year? Football would be over by December, the farewell seasons of Community and Parks and Rec can start in January.

Spacebump
Dec 24, 2003

Dallas Mavericks: Generations

Pinwiz11 posted:

What would NBC do for the rest of the year? Football would be over by December, the farewell seasons of Community and Parks and Rec can start in January.

They could probably have random reality tv in that spot the rest of the year and still make money because how popular the NFL is.

JesusFists
Feb 14, 2005

ong-time listener, first-time caller.


Sakarja posted:

Macdeo Lurjtux posted:

About that, NFL is bidding out the rights to at least 8 Thursday Night Football and NBC is odds on favorite since Sunday Night Football is huge ratings win for them.
That's interesting, I hadn't heard anything about that before now. It sounds like a death sentence for both Community and Parks & Rec if it happens.
Well, worst-case scenario, that's just the fall Thursday schedule that NBC would have carved out for football, so P&R and Community could at least get half seasons. I'm still hoping for a full 6th season for Community, though another half season seems much, much more likely.

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Jun 10, 2006

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Sakarja posted:

I really enjoyed seasons two and three of P&R, but gave up on it pretty early in season four. That said, it never really became awful the way Community did in it's fourth season. It just became unfunny and stale, as everything that used to be funny about the show drowned in a river of twee, unfunny couple's stuff, as well as lacklustre antagonists, characters reduced to cartoon versions of themselves and rehashed stories. They still have a great cast, so there's no reason why they shouldn't be able to end the series on a high note.

Unless I'm remembering incorrectly, but s4 was the election year yeah? I think if you disliked that season then we're just going to fundamentally disagree about P&R, because personally I felt that was where the show came into its own. Awesome individual episodes with a really solid season length arc that took the show somewhere. I can see why people weren't so hot on it last year as it didn't have that feel, but I thought when they brought Eagleton into the mix this year it was going to go back to that. Sadly it hasn't panned out that way, maybe next year...

ashpanash
Apr 9, 2008

I can see when you are lying.

Klungar posted:

Generally speaking, the stars of long running shows earn significantly more than they did when they first started out. I know this show is no "Friends" or "The Simpsons", but that's the model.

What you've described is why the odds are a million to one that Community WON'T get a seventh season; the contracts were for six seasons, and they will have to re-sign the actors for a seventh season, and that would make the show much more expensive to make, inevitably. But a sixth season doesn't have this problem.

Argue
Sep 29, 2005

I represent the Philippines
I would be okay with six seasons and a 462 minute movie which has been divided into 22 parts and aired on NBC over a period of 6 months (or released all at once on Netflix).

Sakarja
Oct 19, 2003

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EL BROMANCE posted:

Unless I'm remembering incorrectly, but s4 was the election year yeah? I think if you disliked that season then we're just going to fundamentally disagree about P&R, because personally I felt that was where the show came into its own. Awesome individual episodes with a really solid season length arc that took the show somewhere. I can see why people weren't so hot on it last year as it didn't have that feel, but I thought when they brought Eagleton into the mix this year it was going to go back to that. Sadly it hasn't panned out that way, maybe next year...

Yeah, that's just the way it goes. People like different things and there's no real use in arguing over what's funny and what isn't.

Volume posted:

I dunno, I figured with stuff like sets already made and costumes already designed it'd be cheaper to keep a show ongoing than to pick up a new show.

Then again I know nothing about the TV industry.

I think things like sets and costumes cost very little compared to what the EPs and actors get for a show in it's sixth season, even if the show in question always underperformed in the ratings.

ashpanash posted:

What you've described is why the odds are a million to one that Community WON'T get a seventh season; the contracts were for six seasons, and they will have to re-sign the actors for a seventh season, and that would make the show much more expensive to make, inevitably. But a sixth season doesn't have this problem.

Sure, they have contracts for six seasons, but that can change quite easily, as the example of Chevy and Donald Glover illustrates. At least half of the cast have better prospects lined up than a show nobody watches and that's famous more for the absurd amount of drama it generates than anything else. And god knows what kind of deal they made to bring Dan Harmon back.

JesusFists posted:

Well, worst-case scenario, that's just the fall Thursday schedule that NBC would have carved out for football, so P&R and Community could at least get half seasons. I'm still hoping for a full 6th season for Community, though another half season seems much, much more likely.

Yeah, whatever happens, I think Community ever getting a full season order again is too much to hope for. The 13-episode, 2015 spackle option seems like the best possible outcome.

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The Dark One
Aug 19, 2005

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Please don't say spackle so often, it triggers flashback to those horrible "you have ten to fifteen pounds of waste in your colon ads." :suicide:

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