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Ghostpilot posted:I'm sure this one has an obvious answer that I can't think of at the moment, but has there ever been a title match that had to be changed on the fly due to a botch? E.g. Has a champion won a match he was booked to lose over a botch? Men on a Mission won the tag titles when Mable couldn't get off the other guy.
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britishbornandbread posted:I am probably in the minority but I disagree. The Mankind character of 96/97 never really interested me. But I was 9/10 years old so maybe that ties in to that. The whole crazed mutilator gimmick never enthralled me and I don't really recall any amazing matches unless I am missing something in the sea of poo poo that was 1996 WWF. I feel the same way, but it's probably because I was a huge Cactus Jack fan. I saw Mankind and was like, "Why are they doing this to a guy I like?"
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This is a match I did not know existed: Vader & Mike Awesome vs. Samoa Joe & Dan Maff from JAPW Has anyone seen it, and is it worth tracking down?
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I wonder if that was brought up in court. I would have loved to have been in the audience and seen the judge's response to "Your honor, he called me bald on television" I imagine it would be something along the lines of "Look in the mirror. See? It's not slander if it's true" It wouldn't matter in the slightest that it's true. "Your Honour, this man called me bald on television when he was bound by contract not to do so." Hoganwinslol.
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Memento posted:It wouldn't matter in the slightest that it's true. "Your Honour, this man called me bald on television when he was bound by contract not to do so." I wasn't aware it was written into his contract. I just thought it was one of those "unwritten rules" of wrestling that you're not allowed to point out that the Hulkster has a skullet.
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It's really just a rumour, I don't think it's ever been confirmed, but as seen on this page there are reports from people who were told, as heels, not to mention Hogan's baldness. Couple that with the rampant egomania that Hogan has, it's not too much of a stretch to think that he might have insisted that contractually, no one was allowed to mention that he's bald in promos.
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The WWE sent out a release a couple of years ago to various video game reviewers telling them that when the reviewed the game, they could not show HHH in a vulnerable position. So yeah, I think they could have a contract saying you can't call a guy bald.
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Would Hogan really make public that his contract specifically forbid calling him bald if it did, though? That he'd go so far as to have it put in makes him look much worse, in his own eyes, i'd guess. I can't imagine Hogan suing if it meant "Oh, I needed to stop them pointing out my baldness." came out in court.
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Ghostpilot posted:I'm sure this one has an obvious answer that I can't think of at the moment, but has there ever been a title match that had to be changed on the fly due to a botch? E.g. Has a champion won a match he was booked to lose over a botch? NJPW and AJPW had an interpromotional match with IWGP Champion Tenzan vs Triple Crown champion Kojima that was supposed to end in a time limit draw like that kind of match always does, but Tenzan was legitimately knocked out and lost his title. They flipped the title back a couple months later.
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Davros1 posted:The WWE sent out a release a couple of years ago to various video game reviewers telling them that when the reviewed the game, they could not show HHH in a vulnerable position.
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you don't use that footage? most professional video reviews are not done live. from what I've gathered at big sites like Gamespot there are actually people whose jobs are to get footage for video reviews. often times the footage you see isn't the reviewer's playthrough.
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Cardboard Box posted:you don't use that footage? most professional video reviews are not done live.
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yeah they aren't reviews, I'm not sure if that rule would still qualify for preview material, not that they'd have to listen to it anyway.
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Is that where the "never vulnerable" thing people say on here comes from? All this time I thought it was just part of Triple H's Reign of Doom booking, but holy poo poo. This must mean there is actual physical evidence of this somewhere. Google search just turns up reviewers mentioning the memo, or quoting a guy who knows a guy. I get NDA's but why didn't every site's actual review just show 10 minutes of footage of Triple H taking the Bronco Buster from everyone on the roster?
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I feel like I remember some magazine or site using nothing but shots of Triple H eating finishers, but it might have been for a later game.
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maniacripper posted:Is that where the "never vulnerable" thing people say on here comes from? All this time I thought it was just part of Triple H's Reign of Doom booking, but holy poo poo. This must mean there is actual physical evidence of this somewhere. Google search just turns up reviewers mentioning the memo, or quoting a guy who knows a guy. Probably because they would like to have the opportunity to make money for reviewing future versions of WWE games, too.
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that's not how it works. WWE or the publisher can't say "you are not allowed to review our games." they may not send them free review copies but that's it, they can't stop them from covering it. and I highly doubt WWE pays off gaming publications, considering their review scores.
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Money probably changes hands between the publisher and IGN every year.
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Bigass Moth posted:This is a match I did not know existed: I was at that show. Haven't seen the match since then but I don't remember it being anything special, though it wasn't unwatchable or anything. Vader and Awesome were clearly just there for the purpose of having some "big names."
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Cardboard Box posted:that's not how it works. WWE or the publisher can't say "you are not allowed to review our games." they may not send them free review copies but that's it, they can't stop them from covering it. and I highly doubt WWE pays off gaming publications, considering their review scores. yeah but unless you get the game prior to release so you can put out a review on or before street date then you may as well not review it at all for the amount of revenue you'll get out of your work and expenses
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Amy Renee posted:I'm watching my Hell in a Cell compilation DVD, and I got to UT/Stone Cold vs. Kane/Mankind, and Foley is cutting this oddly poetic promo before the match. I didn't get into wrestling until late 1999, so I missed the whole demented & tragic/corporate Mankind eras, and only knew him as the goofball with Mr. Socko. Were all of Mankind's promos poetic, or did Mankind just do whatever made him look unhinged? Is that the one where Mankind mentions in passing that he's married, then immediately follows it up by snapping at the audience for collectively thinking, "Wait, a woman actually married that hideous freak of nature?" Because that was a great promo and I was thinking that. The "prone position" thing was from some magazine, I think in the UK, who were given a preview copy of one of the Smackdown games with a memo not to show any screens of blood, the use of weapons or Triple H being shown in a prone or helpless position. They thought it was the stupidest thing, so their preview of the game had images of a bloody Shelton Benjamin hitting a prone Triple H with a sledgehammer and so on as well as a scan of the memo. This was around 2009 or so. The Hogan/bald talk always makes me think of one of the most surreal promos where Kurt Angle had just lost a Hair vs. Hair Match with Edge and wore a wig to hide his shaved head. Kurt cut a promo whining about it when Hogan showed up to ask him what was so wrong about being bald. Then he talked up how Austin was another awesome bald guy, so you had Hogan both discussing his baldness AND verbally putting over Austin. Then I think this led to a match where Hogan cleanly tapped to Angle. Crazy.
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Gavok posted:The Hogan/bald talk always makes me think of one of the most surreal promos where Kurt Angle had just lost a Hair vs. Hair Match with Edge and wore a wig to hide his shaved head. Kurt cut a promo whining about it when Hogan showed up to ask him what was so wrong about being bald. Then he talked up how Austin was another awesome bald guy, so you had Hogan both discussing his baldness AND verbally putting over Austin. Then I think this led to a match where Hogan cleanly tapped to Angle. Crazy. Wasn't that during his 2002+ run? I think that all happened because Hogan didn't have creative control written into his contract during that time, because Vince had actually learned from Hogan's first WWF run and then his WCW run. But then I believe Vince gave him creative control again for his 2005 run, so…
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So I picked up the 'Best of Raw Seasons 1 & 2' compilation for $5 a few weeks ago during Wal-Mart's sale. There's some really good stuff on there (I forgot how much I liked that Doink/Marty 2/3 falls match), but I just got to the USS Intrepid thing, where they invite various athletes to try and bodyslam Yokozuna. You have to tune out Vince screaming "Yokozuna has humiliated America! No wait - that helicopter! Who could it be?!" to be able to watch it, but: Q1 - Was the thing with the NBA/NFL guys shoot or worked? It really looks like one of the guys almost gets Yoko off of his feet. Q2 - Was this the last time the WWF/E went full-on "carny"? That is, was that the last time they invited non-workers to try and challenge a worker, hoping the worker could protect the business?
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Ghostpilot posted:I'm sure this one has an obvious answer that I can't think of at the moment, but has there ever been a title match that had to be changed on the fly due to a botch? E.g. Has a champion won a match he was booked to lose over a botch? The hardcore battle royal at Wrestlemania 2000 Bobcore was clearly supposed to get a 2 count and then have the timer run out, but they cocked up the timing and he won the belt http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4ycbc_15-minute-hardcore-title-battle-roy_sport
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What was the storyline for Ricky Steamboat returning to the WWE in 2009 to wrestle Jericho?
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Jericho was running around going "All these old people suck and shouldn't be here stealing valuable time." Which led to a match with Jericho against Piper, Snuka, Steamboat and probably some others I'm forgetting. Then Steamboat shocked everyone by still being *really* good in spite of being old and it kept going.
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DeathChicken posted:Jericho was running around going "All these old people suck and shouldn't be here stealing valuable time." Which led to a match with Jericho against Piper, Snuka, Steamboat and probably some others I'm forgetting. Then Steamboat shocked everyone by still being *really* good in spite of being old and it kept going. Nah, it was just those three, and the handicap match basically had three stages: Piper comes in, is fine until he decides to do actual moves and does one of the most terrifying dropkicks I can recall, Snuka comes in and can barely move, so Jericho is essentially bumping around him, and Steamboat comes in and they actually have something resembling a wrestling match. So they booked a rematch at the next PPV and had Jericho and Steamer do a singles match. The whole thing was kind of hastily put together because they clearly wanted to do Jericho vs Mickey Rourke in some capacity, but Rourke's people talked him out of it.
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Gavok posted:
I went to a smackdown taping around this time where Triple H kicked out of the leg drop then pinned Hogan clean as a sheet with the pedigree. What a weird time to be Hulk Hogan
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Anyone know of any wrestling footage that would be legally usable in a short video package that might air on a lovely local station? I could probably slip some illegal clips in there and no one would notice, but I'd rather play it safe.
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Paulocaust posted:Anyone know of any wrestling footage that would be legally usable in a short video package that might air on a lovely local station? I could probably slip some illegal clips in there and no one would notice, but I'd rather play it safe. Doesn't the legality depend on the context of usage? Jeffersonlives might be able to help you. George Michael used to show WCW/WWF highlights every week when he did the news in Washington, DC, and ESPN shows WWE stuff when something/someone mainstream is involved.
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Paulocaust posted:Anyone know of any wrestling footage that would be legally usable in a short video package that might air on a lovely local station? I could probably slip some illegal clips in there and no one would notice, but I'd rather play it safe. Not sure what your timeline is, but you could probably email some little indy who would be thrilled to have their footage on TV.
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triplexpac posted:Not sure what your timeline is, but you could probably email some little indy who would be thrilled to have their footage on TV. Hell, dig up the 'Goon Who Became A Worker' thread. I'm sure Nick Lovin' would adore one of his matches getting airtime, and he's put them on youtube.
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Ghostpilot posted:I'm sure this one has an obvious answer that I can't think of at the moment, but has there ever been a title match that had to be changed on the fly due to a botch? E.g. Has a champion won a match he was booked to lose over a botch? Don't know if you'd consider this a botch, but going back to the '60s, Bill Watts was brought into Southwest to put over Texas champion "Sailor" Art Thomas. According to Watts's version of events, Thomas completely blanked on how the match was supposed to begin or flow. Watts was pretty green at that point, was depending on Thomas to run the match and couldn't improvise well, so he'd take Thomas down, work his limited amount of stuff for a couple minutes to give Thomas time to get into the match, then ease off to let Thomas take over... only to have to repeat the routine ad nauseam when Thomas didn't take over. Eventually, they made the call to mercy-kill the match and put Watts over for the belt.
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Paulocaust posted:Anyone know of any wrestling footage that would be legally usable in a short video package that might air on a lovely local station? I could probably slip some illegal clips in there and no one would notice, but I'd rather play it safe. Gabe used to post free-use video packages of DGUSA/EVOLVE clips on youtube, let me see if I can dig some up. EDIT: Here ya go - http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dgusa%20creative%20commons%20reel&sm=3
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Ghostpilot posted:I'm sure this one has an obvious answer that I can't think of at the moment, but has there ever been a title match that had to be changed on the fly due to a botch? E.g. Has a champion won a match he was booked to lose over a botch?
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Halloween Jack posted:This is small-time, but there was a notorious incident involving Davey Richards. that was a work that turned into a shoot
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Gaz-L posted:The whole thing was kind of hastily put together because they clearly wanted to do Jericho vs Mickey Rourke in some capacity, but Rourke's people talked him out of it. It always baffled me that they were promoting The Wrestler at the time, considering it both exposes the business as worked and exposes the business as being lovely and carny. Especially since to my knowledge WWE had no hand in the production of it.
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sticklefifer posted:It always baffled me that they were promoting The Wrestler at the time, considering it both exposes the business as worked and exposes the business as being lovely and carny. Especially since to my knowledge WWE had no hand in the production of it. Minidust fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Jan 20, 2014 |
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sticklefifer posted:It always baffled me that they were promoting The Wrestler at the time, considering it both exposes the business as worked and exposes the business as being lovely and carny. Especially since to my knowledge WWE had no hand in the production of it. I kinda love how butthurt a lot of wrestlers got about that movie, since for the most part it's accurate and the business does bleed most of the people in it completely dry.
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