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redstormpopcorn posted:I did fine gaming at 1600x1200 before retiring my CRT for a 1280x1024 former-workbench display, I think I'll be able to get by with 20% more pixels after maybe bumping some texture settings down and killing AA in some stuff. I don't play BF4 or any of the really super-hardware-intense recent games, since I know for sure my crossfired 4870s won't do them justice. Besides, shooting high on a monitor now gives me something to grow into when I build a new machine later this year. Oh, it's not that a videocard wouldn't be able to handle it, but that for a while now games are made with 16:9 in mind (since that's what consoles use), so if you play them in a 16:10 resolution they get a hosed FOV if not outright look like rear end due to improper UI setup or weirder issues. These issues also require manual tinkering per game to fix, assuming that's possible. I have a 1920x1200 monitor and just play every game at 1920x1080 to avoid headaches.
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Er, crossfired 4870s should do pretty well at 1080p, that should be equal to like a 7870-ish shouldn't it?
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Nephilm posted:Oh, it's not that a videocard wouldn't be able to handle it, but that for a while now games are made with 16:9 in mind (since that's what consoles use), so if you play them in a 16:10 resolution they get a hosed FOV if not outright look like rear end due to improper UI setup or weirder issues. These issues also require manual tinkering per game to fix, assuming that's possible. I have not run into any of this in any game I've played and I run everything at 1920x1200. Curious as to what titles you're seeing those problems in.
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dissss posted:I have not run into any of this in any game I've played and I run everything at 1920x1200. Curious as to what titles you're seeing those problems in. Every 3D game. It's worse in some titles than others (ie Borderlands, which already has a narrow FOV by default, gives me motion sickness at 16:10), but the tl;dr of it is that in order to 'fit' the 16:9 aspect ratio into your 16:10 resolution, most games will crop your FOV (zooming you in) which means that for a given scene you're seeing less than what you would with 16:9. The alternative is to zoom you out, expanding your (vertical) FOV, but games avoid that since it leads to a 'fish-eye' effect. What this means for you varies according to the individual. As mentioned above I'm sensitive to narrow FOVs (another example: the Big Daddy section of Bioshock) so 16:9 is naturally much better and if necessary I'll gently caress around with console commands to make things suitable. For FPS and RTS in particular, a wider FOV is objectively better since it increases your situational awareness, so if it's an option serious gamers will max that poo poo out. Other people don't care or don't notice it, or had never because they didn't see comparisons (but if games cause you motion sickness, this is something worth experimenting with). And then there's also people who just can't stand black bars to the sides of their monitors, but that's kind of a different issue. ED: It also happens with 2D games, and I've seen more than a few cases where the the left and right sides of the screen are outright cropped out and the image scaled up to fit vertically, leading to the usual artifacts of scaling. Nephilm fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Jan 19, 2014 |
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Jan 19, 2014 00:25
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Nephilm posted:Every 3D game. It's worse in some titles than others (ie Borderlands, which already has a narrow FOV by default, gives me motion sickness at 16:10), but the tl;dr of it is that in order to 'fit' the 16:9 aspect ratio into your 16:10 resolution, most games will crop your FOV (zooming you in) which means that for a given scene you're seeing less than what you would with 16:9. The alternative is to zoom you out, expanding your (vertical) FOV, but games avoid that since it leads to a 'fish-eye' effect. Except it doesn't. 16:9  16:10  Compare the positions of the mailbox on the left and post on the far right - the horizontal FOV stays the same, you just get a bit more vertical e. Bioshock Infinite does as you described but you can adjust it to some extent in game (and further if you go directly to the config files) dissss fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Jan 19, 2014 |
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dissss posted:Except it doesn't. Ah so that's what that one did. I had forgotten besides the nausea that the FOV is so narrow to begin with. Changing it was also stupid because IIRC it flipped whenever you ran.
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Straker posted:Er, crossfired 4870s should do pretty well at 1080p, that should be equal to like a 7870-ish shouldn't it? They did really well at 1600x1200 and 1792x1344 (really loving weird but it's what L4D2 defaulted to  ) on my CRT and have stayed surprisingly competitive overall aside from the lack of DX11 effects and tessellation. At this point I'm probably bottlenecked by my Core2Duo and/or HDDs. Speaking of which, I opted to go with the VN248H-P and use the cash difference to replace my boot drive that's had six reallocated sectors for three years.
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Yeah, I had a 4890 and it held out well until BF3, but I was still using it for PS2 and stuff. On the other hand, BC2 was unplayable for me on an overclocked E6750.
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Done a lot of double-checking prices and availability for poo poo in my area, and about the only things I've found at not-cutthroat prices are the Benq GW2760HM and HP Pavilion 27xi, the former being AMVA and the latter a glossy AH-IPS, both 1080p. Thoughts on either? I've got pretty good control on lighting conditions so I'm looking for something that just looks really nice for movies and games (also I've lived with thick anti-glare coating for 6 years and I loving hate it).
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Jan 20, 2014 10:32
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Beware that for people picky enough to post here 1080p isn't enough resolution for a 27" monitor, which is why all the recommended 27" monitors are 1440p. Regardless of that, I would be really annoyed by the huge bezel on the HP, but would probably go with it anyway for the sake of the IPS-ity.
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Yeah, I don't necessarily think 1080p at 27" is for blind old people only, I mean 720p is fine for 32" TVs, it's just kind of a sad waste of monitor because 1440p is so goddamn amazing. You should really see if any of the Korean ebay sellers will ship to Mexico. My parents live there but I think they just pick up electronics etc. on their annual road trip through the US/Canada if they really need anything, so can't really ask advice, sorry. I can't imagine it's much more restrictive than the US, though.
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Yeah... the thing is that I can write off whatever I buy locally as a business expense to get the VAT back, so the monitors I mentioned above end up closer to their "real price" at around 260 USD equivalent, whereas if I buy say a $300 korean, between shipping and customs (which I'd have to sort out manually) it would come closer to 400 USD. That's kind of hard to justify when taking into consideration other issues such as not being able to plug my PS3 into it and that my next videocard purchase (which is still like a month or two off) will be a GTX 760 in all likelihood. ED: Oh, it looks like they have the HP 25xi (25" 1080p). That sounds like a nice balance between size and resolution. Gonna go pay them a visit. Nephilm fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Jan 20, 2014 |
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Jan 20, 2014 18:35
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I'm looking to upgrade my 2007FPW to a newer screen for bigger size / resolution. I mostly play games that aren't reaction based. I'm at 20.1 16:10 now and looking for 24 inch 16:10 or 16:9. I've seen some stuff on the new Dell U2414H and the U2412M. The main difference seems to be that the 14 is is newer and 16:9 and the 12 is 2011 tech and uses PWM backlight which I don't really notice on my work LCD which is a LED 27 inch 1080p cheapest one they could find. There are things I notice on my work screen in terms of flicker but I'm not sure if reading about PWM has made me start looking for things to nitpick. I think the 2414 is probably a better bet due to the newer panel. I know the 2414 is new, but does anyone know anything about it that might be a deal breaker? I've never had trouble with Dell screens so I mostly look at them when shopping, is there anything comparable out there for the price?
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I've read that the Asus VN248H-P is a solid buy in the 24" 1080p slot and it's currently on sale at Newegg. What I want to know is are there better displays that fit this criteria:
I came up with the list before finding the VN248H-P but it does seem to hit all the boxes. I'd be totally fine spending more if the return was really worth it, but a post-MIR price of $150 each is hard to argue with. Also, I run dual monitors, so whatever price is going to be x2. e: also, given the post below me, US, not Australia. Psion fucked around with this message at 02:47 on Jan 21, 2014 |
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I'm having a really hard time picking a new monitor. I'm after one that is: IPS 1920x1080 23"+ Very low input lag / good for fast paced gaming 360/ps3/ps4 compatible (ie a hdmi input) A DVI input as well so I can switch from console to pc without replugging cables Available locally in Australia All the good dells either seem to be 16:10 or have a useless display port instead of hdmi, and are quite expensive to boot. I was looking at the Asus MX239H, but it's also quite expensive and I saw quite a few people around posting about them going bad after a few months. I also liked the look of the LG 23EA63V-P until I read about the sharpness bug. I'm currently looking at the LG IPS234V, although it's almost worryingly cheap ($180 here) and it has about 10ms of input lag, pretty sure that would be ok though from what I've read. Anyone have any other recommendations or advice on the monitors I've mentioned? e: hah looks like I have almost the same requirements as psion. I can't see the VN248H-P in any australian stores though unfortunately. Tgent fucked around with this message at 02:57 on Jan 21, 2014 |
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Peanut Fantasies posted:I'm looking to upgrade my 2007FPW to a newer screen for bigger size / resolution. I mostly play games that aren't reaction based. A few things: - LED-backlit panels have had some issues with brightness and color uniformity, and it only gets worse the thinner they are, and boy are the new generation of Dell monitors thin. I hope panel manufacturers have figured out how to overcome this (or will soon). - The U2412M is Dell's middle-of-the-road standard-gamut IPS display while the U2414H (and the U2413H and just about anything else with an "H" and no "M") is a wide-gamut display. One isn't really a successor to the other and they occupy completely different price points. Unless you're doing print work, you probably won't care to pay the huge premium for wide gamut capability. - Because it's new, the U2414H is pretty expensive, especially for a 1080p display. I find the combination of wide-gamut and 1080p really strange, as I can't think of anybody who would want both in the same monitor. Personally, I find 1080p too cramped vertically. It's fine for games, but 1920x1200 is for getting poo poo done. If you only want 1080p and are only viewing sRGB content like 99.9% of us, there are far cheaper IPS monitors out there like the U2312HM. - As an owner of a U2713H, which is a wide-gamut display, everything just looks wrong and overblown unless I set it to sRGB mode, which gives me no additional fine control over colors. It's out of pure luck that I'm satisfied with its default appearance. I wish I could say the same for a U2410f, which looked a bit too pink for me in sRGB mode and also had no way to dial the colors back in custom mode. You might run into the same thing with the U2414H. If there's ever a downside to having one of these fancy monitors, this is it.
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Tgent posted:I'm having a really hard time picking a new monitor. I'm after one that is: See if you can find the ASUS VS239H-P in Australia; it was my purchase runner-up (went with the VN248H-P, should be here Wednesday  ) and hits pretty much all your targets, but has no built-in speakers so you'd have to line-out from its 3.5mm jack to get the HDMI audio output. I bought two of 'em for light photo editing at work and they're surprisingly nice aside from the ASUS-standard mediocre stand. No weird color patches, they calibrated well, and I didn't notice any backlight bleed or too much IPS glow when I set them up.
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One of the reasons the U2414H is so expensive is that it has DP 1.2 daisy-chaining support. That plus the thing bezel would be great for an eyefinity/surround setup.
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redstormpopcorn posted:See if you can find the ASUS VS239H-P in Australia; it was my purchase runner-up (went with the VN248H-P, should be here Wednesday This looks pretty much perfect and is available from my local store. Reasonably priced too. Thanks! e: whoops looks like it's actually a VS239H-J , going by the asus site specifications they seem to be exactly the same though. Tgent fucked around with this message at 03:56 on Jan 21, 2014 |
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Tgent posted:e: hah looks like I have almost the same requirements as psion. I can't see the VN248H-P in any australian stores though unfortunately. monitor buddies  Looking at the VN248H vs the VS248H I think I can make them both work. I like the connectors on the VS better and the 3.5mm audio out is workable. I almost want to get one of each, but that's probably a little too ridiculous. Also if the panels are mismatched I'll cry inside, since that's half the reason I'm upgrading. I can't tell why they're $10 in price apart, despite being very similar 
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Well, they had the HP Pavilion 25xi and 27xi side by side at the store, really crisp and little reflection (got a chance to compare with the Dell S line, it's less). The only issue I can see is that there's precious little info online regarding the 25xi (panel, input lag, real measured response). I suspect it's not too bad judging by the data on the 23xi and 27xi, and at least seeing them in person confirmed that I wouldn't be thrown off by the PWM backlight or built-in overdrive. As a bonus, I don't think i'll get yelled at by the monitorphiles here for buying a 25" 1080p. Right? I'd have brought it home, but turns out my card was deactivated 
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Psion posted:monitor buddies The VS248H-P is a TN panel and looks like it's actually 24" on the nose instead of 23.8.
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Nephilm posted:Well, they had the HP Pavilion 25xi and 27xi side by side at the store, really crisp and little reflection (got a chance to compare with the Dell S line, it's less). The only issue I can see is that there's precious little info online regarding the 25xi (panel, input lag, real measured response). I suspect it's not too bad judging by the data on the 23xi and 27xi, and at least seeing them in person confirmed that I wouldn't be thrown off by the PWM backlight or built-in overdrive. As a bonus, I don't think i'll get yelled at by the monitorphiles here for buying a 25" 1080p. Right? Go big. Get the 27"
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Tech Report posted:You can snag a 39'' 4K display for $404 I feel some validation for what I've been saying. Also it turns out the Seiki isn't TN but S-MVA-type panel according to Scott, although he isn't positive on that. With this thing continuing to drop in price it may become more attractive. Especially if you pair it with a Korean 27" panel for a secondary display.
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I don't think the refresh rate thing should be glossed over so easily - even as someone who has no issues with 60hz for gaming I couldn't cope with 30hz for any type of usage.
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dissss posted:I don't think the refresh rate thing should be glossed over so easily - even as someone who has no issues with 60hz for gaming I couldn't cope with 30hz for any type of usage. Don't consoles run at 30fps?
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Nephilm posted:Don't consoles run at 30fps? No, they all run at 60 frasmes a second, either interlaced or progressive, since like the SNES with few exceptions. Games can be capped at 30 but it isn't a hardware limitation. I was a QA tester for Dance Central on X360 and I was in charge of testing for any framerate drops below 60fps because it was vital to following the mocap routines.
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Oh, I meant that sweet graphicz console titles like call of gears: modern battlefield fratboy halo shooter are v-synced to 30fps.
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Nephilm posted:Oh, I meant that sweet graphicz console titles like call of gears: modern battlefield fratboy halo shooter are v-synced to 30fps. You are still refreshing at 60hz regardless of the frame rate.
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Nephilm posted:Oh, I meant that sweet graphicz console titles like call of gears: modern battlefield fratboy halo shooter are v-synced to 30fps. Some are, some aren't. Timespliters for PS2 comes to mind as locked to 60 FPS even in split screen.
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Does Dell sell any 1440p displays with the same sort of glossy screen as the S2340M? I bought two S2340Ms at Best Buy a while ago and they're absolutely perfect, on par with the quality of the cinema display I have them sitting next to. Initial research says no but I might be missing something. Any other brands that might have something similar?
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NOTinuyasha posted:Does Dell sell any 1440p displays with the same sort of glossy screen as the S2340M? I bought two S2340Ms at Best Buy a while ago and they're absolutely perfect, on par with the quality of the cinema display I have them sitting next to. Initial research says no but I might be missing something. Any other brands that might have something similar? Some koreans are glossy, aren't they?
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Nephilm posted:Some koreans are glossy, aren't they? Hello old DoW buddy, I second the guy above. Get the 27inch HP. 1080p is absolutely fine for games and movies. I was beating your rear end for years on an old 26inch 1080p monitor. I'm sure I still could. FoV is going to be fixed in competitive multiplayer games anyway, All 1440p is going to do is put extra load on your GFX card and reduce your frame rate. As long as it's IPS and doesn't have godawful anti-glare coating you will be fine with 1080p. Edit: yes, lots of the Korean monitors have a glossy finish - usually tempered glass. KingEup fucked around with this message at 08:44 on Jan 21, 2014 |
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Coredump posted:http://techreport.com/blog/25929/you-can-snag-a-39-4k-display-for-404 The price seems to have gone up 50% since then.
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KingEup posted:Hello old DoW buddy, Oh, the issue isn't so much that I want a higher resolution (though I've been using a 1920x1200 TN for years so I'll miss the extra vertical workspace), but that pixels might end up too big on a 27"... and if I push the new monitor farther to compensate for increased size, I may need to actually put on my glasses since I lose acuity after 90cm.
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Nephilm posted:Oh, the issue isn't so much that I want a higher resolution (though I've been using a 1920x1200 TN for years so I'll miss the extra vertical workspace), but that pixels might end up too big on a 27"... and if I push the new monitor farther to compensate for increased size, I may need to actually put on my glasses since I lose acuity after 90cm. I switched from a 19inch DELL 1280x1024 LCD to a 26 inch LG TV @ 1920x1080. The dot pitch is almost identical (86 vs 85 PPI). 27in at 1080p will be fine for gaming and casual web browsing. If you need to do any school work (word proc or spreadsheets) get a 1440p panel.
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It's kind of hard to get matte panels. The tempered glass x-star is pretty glossy.
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peepsalot posted:The price seems to have gone up 50% since then. Probably due to a surge of orders since TechReport posted the column. No doubt this is a display with trade-offs that have to be considered, and is not for everyone. But as cheap as it can be it should be given consideration.
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NOTinuyasha posted:Does Dell sell any 1440p displays with the same sort of glossy screen as the S2340M? I bought two S2340Ms at Best Buy a while ago and they're absolutely perfect, on par with the quality of the cinema display I have them sitting next to. Initial research says no but I might be missing something. Any other brands that might have something similar? The 2340M is pretty criminally overlooked, as far as I can tell.
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