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Snacksmaniac posted:I don't know why the changed Cody's theme to a butt rock version of the same drat thing when his old one was pretty goofy and funny sounding. Cody's old theme was loving awful. It's still bad but it doesn't make me turn off the sound when I'm playing the video game.
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Funny, the newer theme makes me do just that! I do agree the themes lately are a bit rough and I would rather have instrumentals most of the time -- even sound alikes like WCW used to do.
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Jan 23, 2014 21:40
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Rad R. posted:Over the years, the WWE went from heavy metal and pyro to Nickleback and stage lights, but it took them a while to get there. I'm really picky when it comes to music, and I'm not too happy with most of what the WWE uses right now. In most cases, I prefer WCW's stock music to stuff like Cody Rhodes' and AJ Lee's themes. WCW should be mostly mocked because the company was in business from 1988 through 2001 and during that time it had a great in ring year in 89, a mixed in ring and good business year in 96, a fairly good in ring year and great business year in 97, and a decent in ring year and amazing business year in 98. Other than that there were a few great in ring months in 92 and the rest of the company's history is mostly really hard to watch. A discussion of WCW is going to be mostly focusing on the negatives because there were way more negatives than positives.
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emjayo posted:Whatever happened to Scott Hudson? Worked TNA in 2003, worked Ring of Glory (Russo's religious promotion) in 2005, now he's a lawyer or something if I recall.
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triplexpac posted:I'm really wracking my brain here, what about WWF's production in 1998 made it far superior to WCW? If WCW TV looked as good as that photograph, it'd be no contest. They both looked the same quality-wise, but WWE's production values were always way, way, way better. Better mic'ing, better camera work, just an entirely smoother product. It's always felt, to me, that WWE's crew were all working together while WCW's crew just showed up to do their one singular job and weren't a cohesive unit at all.
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If you liked a 90s sports broadcast feel, WCW was better. If you liked a slicker TV feel, the WWF was better after say, 96. In 95 and 96 I think Nitro looked way better than Raw on every level.
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triplexpac posted:It was definitely gradual. To me the biggest shift was around 2003 when they had that big slanted tron with the lights all around it. I'm sorry, but how can someone hate the Rhombustron? It's amazing. E: on further inspection, it is not a Rhombustron, but in fact a Parallelogramotron, which makes it even better because of that term. I Before E fucked around with this message at 06:54 on Jan 24, 2014 |
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The WCW ring was superior in terms of sound compared to WWF, such nice impact noises.
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the WCW Ring always looked super small to me, but I watched the synchtube Nitros and have spent my wrestling life on Raw so it might be that the WWE one is huge.
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Stallion Cabana posted:the WCW Ring always looked super small to me, but I watched the synchtube Nitros and have spent my wrestling life on Raw so it might be that the WWE one is huge. WWE rings are actually supposed to be markedly larger than most. IIRC it's why Sin Cara had so much trouble in the ring at first, because he didn't go through developmental to get used to such large rings. Also the literally blinding mask.
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Stallion Cabana posted:the WCW Ring always looked super small to me, but I watched the synchtube Nitros and have spent my wrestling life on Raw so it might be that the WWE one is huge. I assumed the WCW ring was deliberately smaller in order to make their wrestlers look even more enormous.
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Here's something I totally forgot about: Remember when Chuck Palumbo won the WCW title? I completely forgot about this, on the 8-21-00 Nitro he had a match with Booker where he got a crooked pin in a title match. The Cat declared the match invalid, but Booker wouldn't take the belt back so The Cat restarted the match. Chuck Palumbo, sort of kind of not really WCW Champion.
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MassRafTer posted:Here's something I totally forgot about : We found it. The missing link. A worse champion than David Arquette yet not as bad as Vince Russo.
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Chuck Palumbo was OK, and the tag team with O'Haire was one of the few bright spots with late WCW.
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weekly font posted:We found it. The missing link. A worse champion than David Arquette yet not as bad as Vince Russo. The thing is Russo holding the title could have been not as awful as it had been, he was a big heel and he won it on a fluke where someone hit him so hard he flew through a steel cage. Not ideal, but he could've come out next week lording it over everyone and then got the crap kicked out of him. Instead he graciously vacated the title and did that popemobile skit where he informed fans Bill Goldberg would have to win something like 200 matches in a row, which was ahead of it's time - it would've been the first let's play as Bill Goldberg attempts to reach level 99 in the mako reactor by grinding on shinra grunt Cs.
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I Before E posted:I'm sorry, but how can someone hate the Rhombustron? It's amazing. Wrestling stages should be like winamp skins. You look at it for about 30 seconds and go "woah cool" and then go back to enjoying your music. Every stage after that became iteratively more and more eyeholding. The action should be in the ring, not in the entrances.
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coconono posted:Wrestling stages should be like winamp skins. You look at it for about 30 seconds and go "woah cool" and then go back to enjoying your music. Every stage after that became iteratively more and more eyeholding. The action should be in the ring, not in the entrances. Yeah, that stage was the one where I started to think "Okay WWF, you need to dial back your designs here, can we please go back to a plain backdrop and a giant screen?" Then they kept evolving until we got the 500 ft tall mess of screens we have now. Does one guy really need 3 separate videos going at once when he comes out?
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triplexpac posted:Yeah, that stage was the one where I started to think "Okay WWF, you need to dial back your designs here, can we please go back to a plain backdrop and a giant screen?" Yes, because it makes Undertaker's entrances even more amazing.
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triplexpac posted:Does one guy really need 3 separate videos going at once when he comes out? Counterpoint: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8sGGglMtTw
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Jan 25, 2014 08:49
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It's not actually a mirror. It's digital.
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Vince Russo wanted to put the vacant WCW title on Tank Abbott. That wouldn't have gone well. 
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Listen, just because Brutus sucked and wanted to give people shaves doesn't mean that Abbot would have sucked too.
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After all, look how good of a job he did with Big Al's beard.
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weekly font posted:We found it. The missing link. A worse champion than David Arquette yet not as bad as Vince Russo. I don't remember this at all. I'm not sure, but I think this was when I completely stopped watching WCW because it was painful. Now I'll have to find this Nitro on YouTube and watch it, this is just too stupid.
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triplexpac posted:I'm really wracking my brain here, what about WWF's production in 1998 made it far superior to WCW? I just thought the TitanTron and the 'Raw is War' signs in stencil were way cooler. Nitro was missing a tron. The WWF was better at: - camera work - pyro, because WCW's pyro kept the arena smokey - the WWF wasn't perfect at this, but was still better - visuals, better video animations, better promo packages - music; nobody comes close to Jim Johnston - better stages, ramps and ring set-ups; today we can complain about trons all we want, but the WWF had the TitanTron, WCW didn't, and the TitanTron kicked rear end - selling the product - investing in new names and actually letting them become stars WCW was better at: - actual wrestling in the ring and the amount of wrestling shown on each show - commentary; and I know this is an unpopular opinion, but JR and the King were not better than Schiavone, Tenay and Heenan. Dude, Heenan. And Tenay, the professor, actually teaching me, a kid watching wrestling, about different moves and different styles. JR was and remains the best, Lawler was always terrible. - making it feel like you're watching an actual international wrestling fed with stars from all over the world, which was insanely entertaining - grungy promos and faux real life characters - showcasing tradition; the Big Gold Belt was a championship for real men, not cartoon characters. I mean this, of course, in a pre-Russo way. Even if WCW was on top for two years only (96-98), those two years were amazing. Once WCW changed it's logo, it was all down the drain.
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Rad R. posted:I just thought the TitanTron and the 'Raw is War' signs in stencil were way cooler. Nitro was missing a tron. I have never heard anything from WCW Heenan as good as his WWF work. Heenan got his good reputation from WWF and clearly hated doing WCW shows after a while. Knowing what I know about backstage Schiavone colors my perception of Schiavone very negatively as well. But yeah Lawler is terrible. A lot of heel commentators miss out on the fact that they should still be entertaining. Heenan, Ventura, and JBL are fantastic in that regard. Also, I wish all wrestling shows ever would stay away from three-man commentary teams. They are always horrible.
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Rad R. posted:- commentary; and I know this is an unpopular opinion, but JR and the King were not better than Schiavone, Tenay and Heenan. Dude, Heenan. And Tenay, the professor, actually teaching me, a kid watching wrestling, about different moves and different styles. Heenan was pretty bad in WCW, and who could blame him? Schiavone was hit-or-miss, Tenay was fine. However, half of each Nitro was called by Zbyszko, and Larry was loving awful.
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tzirean posted:Heenan was pretty bad in WCW, and who could blame him? Schiavone was hit-or-miss, Tenay was fine. Larry was awful? I bet you didn't like when he called out the dastardly New World Odour!
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Schiavone was mostly garbage, but had his moments like the "You can go to hell" when Hogan turned.
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Rad R. posted:- investing in new names and actually letting them become stars I'm not necessarily disagreeing, just curious to know who exactly you mean. Off the top of my head, The Rock, Stone Cold, HHH and maybe Foley, but they reigned the whole era.
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The pyro smoke on basically every Nitro made it look so low rent. Raw's was a lot better, not sure what they did differently.
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Bigass Moth posted:The pyro smoke on basically every Nitro made it look so low rent. Raw's was a lot better, not sure what they did differently. I liked it, and liked the Nitro set in general. I can't agree that the Nitro announcers were better. Lawler was a lot of fun early on in the Monday Night Wars, and Ross was obviously always good. Schiavone declined from fair to poor, Heenan went from disinterested to completely apathetic and Tenay was useless if he had to actually call a match. Larry was obviously a treasure.
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MassRafTer posted:I liked it, and liked the Nitro set in general. Just a regional one, though, because we know who the true national treasure is.
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DeathChicken posted:Schiavone was mostly garbage, but had his moments like the "You can go to hell" when Hogan turned. Schiavone was good in the 80s!
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ChampRamp posted:Schiavone was good in the 80s! Still wanna see the alternate reality where they picked him and not Bischoff to run things. 
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I genuinely think Schiavone is probably the second-best commentator of the modern era. But I agree that the VISUAL difference between WCW and the WWF during the Monday Night War was night and day. WCW looked like a glitzy boxing match on HBO and the WWF looked like some pirate broadcast.
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epitasis posted:I genuinely think Schiavone is probably the second-best commentator of the modern era. Schiavone wasn't even the second-best commentator in WCW.
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Bigass Moth posted:The pyro smoke on basically every Nitro made it look so low rent. Raw's was a lot better, not sure what they did differently. My memory's really the opposite on this- I remember Nitro being very brightly and cleanly lit and Raw being kinda hazy and grimy. Then again this may have been influenced by how each channel came in on cable- TNT always looked good.
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fatherdog posted:Schiavone wasn't even the second-best commentator in WCW. It's not the craziest thing we've heard in this thread. The Craziest was that Raven's theme was better than "Come as You Are".
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