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DrSunshine
Mar 23, 2009

Did I just say that out loud~~?!!!

Pornographic Memory posted:

The second movie basically is the second two episodes, just mashed together and dolled up. So basically you should watch the second movie, and then jump into episode 3 of the main series.

Nate RFB posted:

The second movie is a much better take on the first two episodes, so I would absolutely recommend watching that instead.

Alrighty! Thanks for the advice! It took us a while to warm up to "Turn A Gundam" too, and we ended up liking that a lot. I'm just desperate for something "Dune-like" to tide me over for the next season of Game of Thrones.

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DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

DrSunshine posted:

Alrighty! Thanks for the advice! It took us a while to warm up to "Turn A Gundam" too, and we ended up liking that a lot. I'm just desperate for something "Dune-like" to tide me over for the next season of Game of Thrones.

It spins up way faster than Turn A. If you don't connect with the characters after the first season you are a criminal, so give it that long at least.

NormalCat
Mar 25, 2006
It's a little late since this thread has returned to ADTRW, but has anyone ever seen this puppy:

Iserlohn: Legend of the Galactic Heroes

It looks like a boardgame from the 80s, based on fleet battles in the Iserlohn corridor. The problem is there's no reviews up, and little information available on the rules or where, if anywhere, you could buy it. Looks neat, though.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Were the ship designs actually explained in detail in the books, or did they have more or less free reign in deciding what to make the ships/fighters look like for the show?

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Dec 15, 2013
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(Thought I posted before but can't find it? Gah.)

One more vote for "you are a bad person if you haven't seen this yet".

If movies 1-2 have you hooked to the point that you'll watch the whole series, watching eps 1-2 isn't a bad idea. There are some differences, especially showing alternate scenes and motivations. If you'd re-watch the movies to get director's cut alternate scenes, eps 1-2 are fine, although yes skipping to 3-4 is completely doable and advisable, especially for anyone who's likely going to develop "oh but season 1 hasn't hooked me" issues.

Although I still don't understand that, because aside from the completely horrendous redrawn scenes, season 1 is very good and hooks you immensely from the get-go. By the Big Things in Season 2 you will either be in for the long haul or have discovered that you are a bad person. Which you would be if you either hadn't watched or didn't like LOGH.

No seriously it's pretty good and worth it.

Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012
This series is great. I've watched it up to ep 50 and it's been entertaining and engaging the whole way through.



But uhh, what's with Yang and Louis Mashengo? Do we get to see more of his bizarre reactions to the only black character on the show?

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


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Zorak
Nov 7, 2005

Slim Jim Pickens posted:

But uhh, what's with Yang and Louis Mashengo? Do we get to see more of his bizarre reactions to the only black character on the show?

Uhhhh did you miss that Yang's commander for a long time, Sidney Sitolet, was also black?

His response to Mashengo is because Mashengo is security and a bodyguard and Yang doesn't Give A poo poo about / Desire that.

Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012

Zorak posted:

Uhhhh did you miss that Yang's commander for a long time, Sidney Sitolet, was also black?

His response to Mashengo is because Mashengo is security and a bodyguard and Yang doesn't Give A poo poo about / Desire that.

It was pretty unexpected and hilarious both times when Yang threw down his tea in disbelief at the sight of Mashengo, but I thought too highly of the show to really think he was racist. The best thing about this show is how everybody has a real explanation for their own actions, so it only threw me for a loop. It does make more sense that Yang doesn't expect someone with Mashengo's job to be aboard.

I had totally forgotten about Sitolet because he hadn't appeared for 40-ish episodes. Please don't tell me if he comes back later or not.



On the subject of spoilers, I know that the episode previews are brutal, I also found the EDs to be just as bad. The 3rd season one is pretty easy to piece together, but at least that's the actual season when Yang dies. But even the 1st one set off my alarms, when the camera ends up focusing on Julian looking up on Reinhard and Yang isn't even in the final shot. Julian isn't a big deal in the first season, so there's really only a few conclusions to make.

Elotana
Dec 12, 2003

and i'm putting it all on the goddamn expense account
I do wish the Alliance was more diverse. You've basically got Yang and Murai, Mashengo and Sitolet, and otherwise it's as white as the Reich.

I would kill for a modern remix of this show like Berserk and Hellsing got. It wouldn't necessarily be better than the original, and it's not like two can't both exist, but you could do some amazing fleet battles with even cut-rate modern CGI :allears:

Elotana fucked around with this message at 07:26 on Jan 18, 2014

aparmenideanmonad
Jan 28, 2004
Balls to you and your way of mortal opinions - you don't exist anyway!
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Captain Invictus posted:

SPAAAAAAAACE RAAAACIIIIIIIST

Zorak posted:

His response to Mashengo is because Mashengo is security and a bodyguard and Yang doesn't Give A poo poo about / Desire that.
Julian is Huck Finn, Poplan is Tom Sawyer, so clearly Mashengo is Jim. :hurr:

Elotana posted:

I do wish the Alliance was more diverse. You've basically got Yang and Murai, Mashengo and Sitolet, and otherwise it's as white as the Reich.
It's made fairly clear that there's a substantial Asian population given Yang and other historical figures in the Alliance such as Guen Kim Hoa (the dude who took over for Heinessen when the separatists were originally fleeing the Empire), but I agree that there aren't really enough visible non-white people. At least there's a substantial number of women in the political leadership.

Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012

aparmenideanmonad posted:

Julian is Huck Finn, Poplan is Tom Sawyer, so clearly Mashengo is Jim. :hurr:
It's made fairly clear that there's a substantial Asian population given Yang and other historical figures in the Alliance such as Guen Kim Hoa (the dude who took over for Heinessen when the separatists were originally fleeing the Empire), but I agree that there aren't really enough visible non-white people. At least there's a substantial number of women in the political leadership.

Is there though? The only one I recall is the lady who is so gung-ho about war that even Truniht doesn't want to associate with her. To be fair, I did like how earnest she was about murdering the empire.


Ep 20-ish spoilers

I feel that Jessica's role in the story is weighed down by the fact that she was also Yang's love interest. While I thought the episode with the war protest was well-done, her appearances in the story weren't really varied outside of interacting with Yang so I didn't really feel the public weight of her character was really present. I wish we had more scenes with her, covering the anti-war movement in the FPA would have been interesting.

Pimpmust
Oct 1, 2008

Elotana posted:

I do wish the Alliance was more diverse. You've basically got Yang and Murai, Mashengo and Sitolet, and otherwise it's as white as the Reich.

I would kill for a modern remix of this show like Berserk and Hellsing got. It wouldn't necessarily be better than the original, and it's not like two can't both exist, but you could do some amazing fleet battles with even cut-rate modern CGI :allears:

We got CGI-LoGH in Harui, it wasn't nearly as nice looking :colbert:

And the Gaidens, partially. I dunno, but "modern" animation manages to look worse in low-budget mode than when it's hand-painted :iiam:


...and Tytania :gonk:

Popo
Apr 24, 2008

Homestuck is a true work of art surpassing all of Shakespeare's works.

Pimpmust posted:

We got CGI-LoGH in Harui, it wasn't nearly as nice looking :colbert:

Man, that episode was pretty drat great.

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Dec 15, 2013
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Hooooly crap.

At the end of ep. 60 when they make it look like the Rosenritter dude bites it in the police chase I was all :argh: NNNNOOOOO YOU LITERALLY CANNOT DO THIS TO ME and then in ep. 61 when they show it's actually Rosenritter going active and blowing the cops to hell I was all :aaa: this is about to get good and then when the Rosenritter dude pops out of the speeding Jeep holding a grenade launcher...

(:black101: in space)

Watch it now, go watch it, block out the time and watch LOGH.

The more the show goes on, they start to throw in really subtle (and not at all subtle, war footage) stuff. Politicians will have layers of subtext in a conversation and if you've paid attention to the character development you'll have moments where you assume you're reading too much into the conversation because it seems like they just implied a Really Big Thing and there's no way a show would telegraph something that big in such a sly way and then The Thing happens.

Sidetrack for animu racism, I just saw the bit where (non-spoiler) the Space Hitlers pulled Space Social Darwinism and there is a bit about things being homogenized. That's not an excuse, but the show does put some legitimate effort into saying why this isn't Star Trek.

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Dec 15, 2013
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I'm not sure if I'm appalled or delighted.

get me HQ!
Jul 28, 2010

Aziz... spark that shit nigga
Anyone else thing that Reinhard's sister (ep 54) was kind of a bitch for not going to his coronation? When the narrator was like "but the two people Reinhard wanted to see where not there," it made me sad cause Kircheis is dead but his sister could have at least come.

Pimpmust
Oct 1, 2008

His sister exists to vex him in all things, while being incredible passive at the same time.

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008
I think it's pretty heavily implied that Annerose doesn't like all the killing Reinhardt has done in her name. It looked to me like she seems to have found being the Kaiser's consort fairly agreeable, while Reinhardt thought it was such an outrage that he made it his mission in life to take over the galaxy to right it even though tens of millions of people would die in the process. She probably feels guilty for more than just Kircheis' death.

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

Yeah I think the implication is that while his conquest is more or less a good thing for the galaxy at large, it's pretty much ruined his relationship with his sister and lost him his best friend.

Annerose is (perfect word up there) just vexing, to reinhard and as a character. If she had any sort of presence or force of will I could see the series being drastically different.

Takes No Damage
Nov 20, 2004

The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.


Grimey Drawer
A more clever goon than I once called her Annerosebud, a narrative object that drives the motivations of other characters but doesn't really have any agency herself.

Under 15
Jan 6, 2005

Mr. Helsbecter will you please stop shooting I am on the phone

Takes No Damage posted:

A more clever goon than I once called her Annerosebud, a narrative object that drives the motivations of other characters but doesn't really have any agency herself.

Man, if I had some guy out there spilling literal oceans of blood in my name, I'd be careful to do as little as possible too

GET IN THE ROBOT
Nov 28, 2007

JUST GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT SHINJI
So I just watched the first two movies on a whim, and holy poo poo this is good stuff. Forget a 110 episode series, these two movies are good enough as stand alone films.

I particularly liked the character of Yang Wen-Li and the tragic love triangle between him, Lapp and Jessica.

Now that I've gotten a taste, I'm definitely going to make an effort to follow the series.

Chas McGill
Oct 29, 2010

loves Fat Philippe
Yang rules, Reinhard drools.

GET IN THE ROBOT
Nov 28, 2007

JUST GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT SHINJI

Chas McGill posted:

Yang rules, Reinhard drools.

Yeah, I have to say that so far, I'm gonna have to side with Yang over the space Germans. Yes, I look at my Ramba Ral avatar and shelf of Zeon mobile suits and realize this irony.

Pimpmust
Oct 1, 2008

Don't worry, Yang got his own Space Germans.

aparmenideanmonad
Jan 28, 2004
Balls to you and your way of mortal opinions - you don't exist anyway!
Fun Shoe
Yes, and Schenkopp is clearly is the rulin'est character in LOGH. All others drool by comparison.

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012
Watching "My Conquest Is the Sea of Stars" now.

Watching this makes my second try of LOGH alot easier the second time around.

Madurai
Jun 26, 2012

Under 15 posted:

Man, if I had some guy out there spilling literal oceans of blood in my name, I'd be careful to do as little as possible too

Besides, listen to her talk. She's clearly asthmatic.

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

Race Realists posted:

Watching "My Conquest Is the Sea of Stars" now.

Watching this makes my second try of LOGH alot easier the second time around.

The first two episodes aren't bad, but they are rather dry, and are by far the worst examples of limited animation in the whole series.

Between the movies and the 3rd ep everything is gravy.

Good_Haro
Mar 14, 2009

Noted shitposter.
Apparently more anime is on the way, guys: http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-21853.html *blog has some :nws: ads

Good_Haro fucked around with this message at 14:58 on Feb 12, 2014

Go RV!
Jun 19, 2008

Uglier on the inside.

:nws: ad warning, by the way.

So, from what I for from Google Translate, they're reanimating it? Is there a big call for that? The current version is fine as is.

I guess I'm hesitantly optimistic still, more fans is a good thing. Maybe it won't end up looking like Golden Wings, too.

Good_Haro
Mar 14, 2009

Noted shitposter.

Go RV! posted:

:nws: ad warning, by the way.

So, from what I for from Google Translate, they're reanimating it? Is there a big call for that? The current version is fine as is.

I guess I'm hesitantly optimistic still, more fans is a good thing. Maybe it won't end up looking like Golden Wings, too.

Oh, right, forgot about the ads on Yaraon. No, it's not being 'reanimated' it's a new adaptation of some sort. Whether they're redoing old material or adapting some other side material isn't clear yet.

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After having let the end mellow in my head for a while. Very glad I watched the series, but the last season does go second-rate anime for a while until totally redeeming itself right at the end. I ended up skipping a few episodes, especially as the narrator is just reciting the content of paperwork and the characters' efforts to fill out forms for whole episodes. Why you hurt me like this, LOGH?

To give a sense of scale from the badass of the first movies to the final season. You know that reaction .gif that keeps splicing in different characters' surprise faces over each other? Link for non imbed:
http://i.imgur.com/oJy4g.gif

An overly drawn-out splicing of reaction faces of every last character present actually happens in the final season of LOGH, and it is quite bad. But the series does recover, and the ending is totally appropriate. Do watch, but do not feel bad slogging through a few eps in the last season. Kinda sucks that the series had so much weakness in its end, but for all the awesome that went before it's still a solid 12 and a half stars out of 10.

Mega do not touch spoiler of damnation:
Yang's bitch death is not acceptable to me. It's just blacktop for Julian becoming a stereotypical gender-questionable anime hero-class character, leading into the final season's really bad anime everything. It could at least have happened later on, maybe he could have been knocked into a coma and died just in time for Reinhardt to get the news on his deathbed. Or something. I'm okay saying his death was necessary for the plot, but the bitch death was a bit silly.

Nate RFB
Jan 17, 2005

Clapping Larry
That sounds extremely Hollywood and even sillier. Sometimes people just die and there is nothing noble about it, nor should there be.

Good_Haro
Mar 14, 2009

Noted shitposter.
So to follow up on the anime thing. A dude who works with Tanaka's publisher posted this: http://a-hiro.cocolog-nifty.com/diary/2014/02/4-2c13.html

He confirms the announcement of a new anime at the end of the latest theatrical production and adds that a/the producer on the project told him that it isn't a remake of the previous anime, but rather a new adaptation of the source material. It'll have all new staff (though that kind of goes without saying).

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

Oh man :allears: Curious of who it'll cover. If memory serves, I remember reading that Julian had a fair amount of un-used material, but I'm really hoping for Yang or Kircheis.

Raku
Nov 7, 2012

Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change.

Roll Tide
Were there any major differences between the novels and the show? Also uh, gently caress yes.

Good_Haro
Mar 14, 2009

Noted shitposter.

Raku posted:

Were there any major differences between the novels and the show? Also uh, gently caress yes.

I think one of the biggest things was the addition of Dusty in the anime. But I've always heard that aside from that it was a very faithful adaptation.

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aparmenideanmonad
Jan 28, 2004
Balls to you and your way of mortal opinions - you don't exist anyway!
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There's not a snowball's chance in hell that it will be as good as the original, but some of the space battle porn should be great.

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