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Erluk
Nov 11, 2007

"If you can't beat 'em, STRANGLE 'EM"

luigionlsd posted:

Kind of off-topic, but does anyone have recommendations for an affordable color printer for UGC covers? I used to have no problem getting them done at Staples, but the last time I tried to get a batch printed I was turned down due to copyright infringement. I know the cases need to be printed on legal sized paper, so that's a minor hurdle to your average color printer.

I'd prefer to pay in the $100 range, but I'd consider more for a laser and/or network capable model.

Is there a FedEx/Kinko's in your area? The one near me has a self service area I use so no one has a chance to yell at me about copyright nonsense.

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TheHoosier
Dec 30, 2004

The fuck, Graham?!

Heran Bago posted:

You can still bypass the onboard encoder with an RGB cable. This is kind of hilarious but this setup (top to bottom) will give you better picture than just a Genesis composite cable.


Genesis RGB/SCART cable


Female to female SCART adapter


SCART to composite. In theory something like this could combine this and the previous step.


Male to male composite cable. Doesn't need to be as long as this one drat.

I'm confused and suddenly questioning what I thought I knew about video input/output. What use is the SCART-to-composite adapter if you're using component cables? Keep in mind I'm sick as hell and haven't slept so if it's super obvious I apologize for being an idiot.

Pteretis
Nov 4, 2011

The only difference between those component cables and composite ones is the colour. They both use RCA plugs. What I don't understand is how the signal is going to be improved by starting out with a scart cable.

Katana Gomai
Jan 14, 2007

"Thus," concluded Miyamoto, "you must give up everything you have to be my disciple."

TheHoosier posted:

I'm confused and suddenly questioning what I thought I knew about video input/output. What use is the SCART-to-composite adapter if you're using component cables? Keep in mind I'm sick as hell and haven't slept so if it's super obvious I apologize for being an idiot.

He's trying to say that getting the color signal as RGB out of the system (through the RGB scart cable) will make the image look better than regular composite, even if the adapter turns it into a single composite signal again, which it does. Obviously RGB looks better than that, and to be honest, I highly doubt his concoction is anything more than snake oil, unless the converter inside the Mega Drive is amazingly bad.

As for the component cable, composite and component cables have the exact same plug, they just differ in number (composite is three, component five plugs because of the split video signal), and since the only video signal in his example would come out of the yellow jack in the SCART to composite adapter, he's needlessly using a 3x video cable for a 1x video 2x audio signal, basically using it as a normal composite cable.

Bing the Noize
Dec 21, 2008

by The Finn

Ptarmigans posted:

The only difference between those component cables and composite ones is the colour. They both use RCA plugs. What I don't understand is how the signal is going to be improved by starting out with a scart cable.

The point is to bypass the Gennys shirty looking video encoder.

I have a better solution though :smuggo: just throw a 32x in your poo poo and enjoy top quality video output!

Even if you don't want to play 32X games it'll give your model 2's poop brown video or model 1's rainbow hell some real clean looking video. I always have one in my non TMSS for that reason

Pteretis
Nov 4, 2011

Bing the Noize posted:

The point is to bypass the Gennys shirty looking video encoder.

I'm pretty sure that the example SCART to composite adapter will just use the composite signal coming from the Genesis.

Asbrandt
Feb 16, 2011
After I move in a couple weeks, I'll try to figure out how to repair the Sony encoder VA3s if I can find board schematics.
Problem is, VA3s are usually carrying the genuinely garbage Samsung encoder, while the Sony 1145 and 1645 are rarer.

EDIT: For reference, VA4s are always Sony 1645.

Asbrandt fucked around with this message at 00:59 on Feb 2, 2014

TheHoosier
Dec 30, 2004

The fuck, Graham?!

Katana Gomai posted:


As for the component cable, composite and component cables have the exact same plug, they just differ in number (composite is three, component five plugs because of the split video signal), and since the only video signal in his example would come out of the yellow jack in the SCART to composite adapter, he's needlessly using a 3x video cable for a 1x video 2x audio signal, basically using it as a normal composite cable.


This is what I was confused about. Component is 3x video signal and composite is 1x video 2x audio. So I was wondering how a 3x video signal was going to be transmitted through composite output and still give audio. Like I said, I'm sick so things are just flying over my head. Coincidentally I'm looking into the transcoder option for my setup so all this info is relevant for me as well.

Pteretis
Nov 4, 2011

TheHoosier posted:

This is what I was confused about. Component is 3x video signal and composite is 1x video 2x audio. So I was wondering how a 3x video signal was going to be transmitted through composite output and still give audio. Like I said, I'm sick so things are just flying over my head. Coincidentally I'm looking into the transcoder option for my setup so all this info is relevant for me as well.

Including the shell, SCART plugs have 21 pins. The audio is coming off two of them. Another pin carries a composite video signal from the console. It looks like the converter simply exposes those three pins as RCA sockets (along with some grounding) which is why I don't see how the composite video will be better than just using a standard genesis to composite cable (unless it is the cable itself that has been causing issues) since it isn't turning component RGB into composite but stripping it out and just leaving the original composite signal.

trunkwontopen
Apr 7, 2007
I am a CARTOON BEAR!

Yeah,yeah last page stuff, but seconding this book; I've read through it twice. They do make a few mentions about WoW, and it is very technical, but it does explain 85% on how the Atari games worked (especialll going into a long, drawn out technical discussion on Adventure), and 15% on the history of Atari, Inc. The added stories on how easter eggs came about is an interesting read as well.

fatpat268
Jan 6, 2011
Hey look at this poo poo.

http://www.rosecoloredgaming.com/games.html

I don't even know what to say.

Xik
Mar 10, 2011

Dinosaur Gum

fatpat268 posted:

Hey look at this poo poo.

http://www.rosecoloredgaming.com/games.html

I don't even know what to say.

That's a really nice site design, so much so that I actually enjoy just browsing it and viewing the images. Some of those shells and console mods are gorgeous.

I'm guessing that's not your point though and yeah... the pricing, I'm definitely not the target market for such items. I would never pay real money for a fan-made rom hack, regardless of the quality, how it is packaged up or how "limited" it is.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



There's doing some nice repro carts and then there's begging to a knock on the door from Nintendo's lawyers. This would be the second one.

fatpat268
Jan 6, 2011

Xik posted:

That's a really nice site design, so much so that I actually enjoy just browsing it and viewing the images. Some of those shells and console mods are gorgeous.

I'm guessing that's not your point though and yeah... the pricing, I'm definitely not the target market for such items. I would never pay real money for a fan-made rom hack, regardless of the quality, how it is packaged up or how "limited" it is.

I'm not gonna deny, there's some neat stuff over on RCG. But dat $400 price tag. It's one thing if you're a repro seller selling romhacks, but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth when you're trying to peddle "collectors edition" carts for $400. The dude has some weird fetish for these Zelda Romhacks. They're not even that great. Seriously go play them.

Midnight Raider
Apr 26, 2010

Yeah, the blatantly overpriced "collector's angle" is what really gets me. Even if it was a complete original homebrew game and not a god drat rom hack that maintains an existing IP, I'd be super iffy about that kind of price. I have a feeling they're only even daring to try such a high price precisely because they know there are idiots who might go for it, just because Earthbound and Zelda are huge hits and can draw fans, which is pretty much the definition of trying to cash in on something.

Maybe next they should make a collector's package for this, and try to make big bucks off of not only one IP but two. :v:

d0s
Jun 28, 2004

Heran Bago posted:

At my new place I've been having the worst time with the mail delivery persons and customs for various reasons. Imagine my relief when this arrived safely:


A new Crown Jewel of the collection. Forget your CIB Earthbound this is my jam right here. Apparently it's the second printing that fixes the audio issues, but I just can't bring myself to open it yet.

You're a thug, mad props. :retrogames::hf::retrogames:

EDIT: open that poo poo and play it :colbert:

Today's mail:



These took like a month to arrive but it's that one eBay seller who's slow as hell but has really good prices and always includes a packet of delicious green tea with each shipment so it's all good. Gomola Speed rules.

d0s fucked around with this message at 04:27 on Feb 2, 2014

cosmicjim
Mar 23, 2010
VISIT THE STICKIED GOON HOLIDAY CHARITY DRIVE THREAD IN GBS.

Goons are changing the way children get an education in Haiti.

Edit - Oops, no they aren't. They donated to doobie instead.

d0s posted:

You're a thug, mad props. :retrogames::hf::retrogames:

EDIT: open that poo poo and play it :colbert:

Today's mail:



These took like a month to arrive but it's that one eBay seller who's slow as hell but has really good prices and always includes a packet of delicious green tea with each shipment so it's all good. Gomola Speed rules.

I love the japanese gifts. I got a green tea kitkat and a hand written note with a game:)

wash bucket
Feb 21, 2006

cosmicjim posted:

I love the japanese gifts. I got a green tea kitkat and a hand written note with a game:)

So far my gifts have been bits of candy, packets of green tea, and a Pokemon card. :3:

d0s
Jun 28, 2004

Cannot Find Server posted:

All these recent posts about the TG16/PCE make me happy :allears:

I've been playing/thinking about this system a lot lately, if you really dig into it's catalog you find some fantastic and interesting stuff that isn't on any other console. It really is closer to a Japanese computer of it's era than any of the other 8/16 bit systems (software wise). I think NEC really treated it like a PC, and there was a perfect storm of the system being very easy/cheap to develop for and NECs "anything goes" approach to who could publish for it that resulted in an amazing library if you're into Japanese action/arcade games. While I will always love the caravan shooters the system is most well known for, there's so much more to it than that and I'm having such a good time discovering stuff like Psycho Chaser, Override, Saint Dragon, Cyber Core, Gomola Speed, Metal Stoker, Lost Sunheart, etc etc etc

Xik
Mar 10, 2011

Dinosaur Gum
What's the appeal of PC-Engine for you all? Most of what I know about the console comes from the various racketboy articles on it and it's game library has never really struck me as being particularly interesting.

d0s
Jun 28, 2004

Xik posted:

What's the appeal of PC-Engine for you all? Most of what I know about the console comes from the various racketboy articles on it and it's game library has never really struck me as being particularly interesting.

Part nostalgia because it's what I had as a kid and part what I posted above, there's just a ton of games by smaller Japanese devs and it's an incredibly fun library to explore. Also, arcade ports. So many good arcade ports.

EDIT: Please don't let Racketboy be your only intro to a system the dude's articles are like the game equivalent of those "Now" music CD collections. Dig through these places:

http://www.videogameden.com/hucard.htm
http://www.videogameden.com/cdrom.htm
http://www.pcengine.co.uk/

Also it's really a system that does one thing well, and that's action games, mostly shooters. If that's not your thing you just won't like it and that's totally cool, different strokes for different folks :)

EDIT2: I've heard it said that the PCE is to shooters what the Neo-Geo is to fighting games and that's pretty on the money. If playing nearly arcade perfect shooters from before the bullet hell era is your thing than the PCE is your heaven. R-Type, Darius/2, Raiden, SideArms, Aero Blasters, Dragon Spirit, Saint Dragon, Gradius/II/Salamander, Kiki Kai Kai, P-47, Rabio Lepus, Truxton, Xevious, Kykyoku Tiger, Cotton, Hellfire, Image Fight/2, Zero Wing and more I've probably forgotten are all there and all very well ported for the most part. And that's just the arcade ports, the shooters made exclusively for the system, particularly the ones by Compile are even better in my opinion.

EDIT3: Holy crap I have even more to say about this :spergin:.

If you're into action/arcade games on the Genesis but feel like you've seen it all on that system then the PCE is the next logical step. It's kinda vice versa for me and I'm just now getting really deep into the Genesis library (and loving a lot of what I'm finding). But the PCE just has that same kind of appeal, for people who are into certain types of games.

If you asked me what my favorite console of all time was, it would probably be the SNES, there are so many unquestionable masterpieces on that system it's ridiculous. If you could only have one old game system, get an SNES. If you asked me what system I play most though, it would be the PCE. The SNES is full of games you sink your teeth into and enjoy for a while, the PCE is full of short bursts of arcadey ADD entertainment and sometimes that's all you want.

d0s fucked around with this message at 06:24 on Feb 2, 2014

wash bucket
Feb 21, 2006

Xik posted:

What's the appeal of PC-Engine for you all? Most of what I know about the console comes from the various racketboy articles on it and it's game library has never really struck me as being particularly interesting.
  • Never had one when I was younger so the games are new to me. Lots of fun surprises.
  • The people in charge of the hardware were lunatics so there are a billion different versions and permutations of the console which makes it fun to collect.
  • They're kinda rare in the US which also makes them fun to collect.
  • If you like shooters this console was filthy with them.
  • Had arguably the best Castlevania game of the 90s.
I want to reiterate the part about NEC's hardware team smoking dust. Please look at this picture from the start of the thread and consider that this offense unto The Lord was a perfectly valid way to play Castlevania: Rondo of Blood.

wash bucket fucked around with this message at 06:43 on Feb 2, 2014

luigionlsd
Jan 9, 2006

i dont know what this is i think its some kind of nazi giraffe or nazi mountains or something i dont know
I always wanted a PC Engine just for Rondo of Blood, but then my 'murrican dreams were answered with Dracula X Chronicles for PSP. Too bad it was a dumb portable game and not for a real console though.

fatpat268
Jan 6, 2011

luigionlsd posted:

I always wanted a PC Engine just for Rondo of Blood, but then my 'murrican dreams were answered with Dracula X Chronicles for PSP. Too bad it was a dumb portable game and not for a real console though.

Buy a PSP Go, hook it up to the TV and connect a Dualshock 3. Boom, PSP Console.

Although, if you want to hook up the PSP to an HDTV, you're going to need a scaler of some sort, otherwise you're gonna get a black frame surrounding your screen. Some TVs can zoom just the right amount, but mine would always cut bits off.

Which is why I want that drat Vita TV to be released in the US.

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Bing the Noize posted:

The point is to bypass the Gennys shirty looking video encoder.

I have a better solution though :smuggo: just throw a 32x in your poo poo and enjoy top quality video output!

Even if you don't want to play 32X games it'll give your model 2's poop brown video or model 1's rainbow hell some real clean looking video. I always have one in my non TMSS for that reason

Also you should always have a 32x hooked up so you can play 32x games, duh.

luigionlsd
Jan 9, 2006

i dont know what this is i think its some kind of nazi giraffe or nazi mountains or something i dont know
So I just opened the case of Castlevania: Order of Ecclesia (NDS) that I bought a few months ago from a local shop. Turns out the box and manual are correct, but the card inside was Dawn of Sorrow. I already own Dawn of Sorrow.

Anyone want either part of this (OoE box/manual, Dawn of Sorrow card)? Just pay shipping and it's yours.

Manchild King
Oct 22, 2010
Misogynistic, self-absorbed, incredibly unfunny asshole. BLOCK ME or I will steal your face for creepy fetish porn!

Heran Bago posted:

You can still bypass the onboard encoder with an RGB cable. This is kind of hilarious but this setup (top to bottom) will give you better picture than just a Genesis composite cable.

Genesis RGB/SCART cable

Female to female SCART adapter

SCART to composite. In theory something like this could combine this and the previous step.

Male to male composite cable. Doesn't need to be as long as this one drat.
Like some other posters have said, this really hurts my brain. I understand the therory of bypassing the awful composite encoder inside the genesis. That is sound. Yet nothing in this chain is a transcoder. I think your solution must actually be composite the whole way, with the RGB pins never actually used at all.

Discount Viscount
Jul 9, 2010

FIND THE FISH!

luigionlsd posted:

So I just opened the case of Castlevania: Order of Ecclesia (NDS) that I bought a few months ago from a local shop. Turns out the box and manual are correct, but the card inside was Dawn of Sorrow. I already own Dawn of Sorrow.

Anyone want either part of this (OoE box/manual, Dawn of Sorrow card)? Just pay shipping and it's yours.

I'll gladly take Dawn of Sorrow off your hands.

luigionlsd
Jan 9, 2006

i dont know what this is i think its some kind of nazi giraffe or nazi mountains or something i dont know

Discount Viscount posted:

I'll gladly take Dawn of Sorrow off your hands.

Cool, PM me your address and I'll make it so. Also E-mail to username at gmail if you don't have PMs

d0s
Jun 28, 2004

McCracAttack posted:

I want to reiterate the part about NEC's hardware team smoking dust. Please look at this picture from the start of the thread and consider that this offense unto The Lord was a perfectly valid way to play Castlevania: Rondo of Blood.



Part of the fun is feeling like you're playing a video game console from the Neuromancer universe or something. HuCards will always be my favorite game storage medium :colbert:

Bing the Noize
Dec 21, 2008

by The Finn

Xik posted:

What's the appeal of PC-Engine for you all? Most of what I know about the console comes from the various racketboy articles on it and it's game library has never really struck me as being particularly interesting.

If the PC Engine's unusually niche library does not immediately appeal to you, there isn't much chance it ever would I think

flyboi
Oct 13, 2005

agg stop posting
College Slice

Jim Silly-Balls posted:

Also you should always have a 32x hooked up so you can play 32x games, duh.

The 32x has it's own encoder and it's pretty good :ssh:

wash bucket
Feb 21, 2006

Actually, this might be the craziest example of the PC Engine's slavish commitment to compatibility.



So much :retrogames:.

EgillSkallagrimsson
May 6, 2007

d0s posted:

Part nostalgia because it's what I had as a kid and part what I posted above, there's just a ton of games by smaller Japanese devs and it's an incredibly fun library to explore. Also, arcade ports. So many good arcade ports.

EDIT: Please don't let Racketboy be your only intro to a system the dude's articles are like the game equivalent of those "Now" music CD collections. Dig through these places:

http://www.videogameden.com/hucard.htm
http://www.videogameden.com/cdrom.htm
http://www.pcengine.co.uk/

Also it's really a system that does one thing well, and that's action games, mostly shooters. If that's not your thing you just won't like it and that's totally cool, different strokes for different folks :)

EDIT2: I've heard it said that the PCE is to shooters what the Neo-Geo is to fighting games and that's pretty on the money. If playing nearly arcade perfect shooters from before the bullet hell era is your thing than the PCE is your heaven. R-Type, Darius/2, Raiden, SideArms, Aero Blasters, Dragon Spirit, Saint Dragon, Gradius/II/Salamander, Kiki Kai Kai, P-47, Rabio Lepus, Truxton, Xevious, Kykyoku Tiger, Cotton, Hellfire, Image Fight/2, Zero Wing and more I've probably forgotten are all there and all very well ported for the most part. And that's just the arcade ports, the shooters made exclusively for the system, particularly the ones by Compile are even better in my opinion.

EDIT3: Holy crap I have even more to say about this :spergin:.

If you're into action/arcade games on the Genesis but feel like you've seen it all on that system then the PCE is the next logical step. It's kinda vice versa for me and I'm just now getting really deep into the Genesis library (and loving a lot of what I'm finding). But the PCE just has that same kind of appeal, for people who are into certain types of games.

If you asked me what my favorite console of all time was, it would probably be the SNES, there are so many unquestionable masterpieces on that system it's ridiculous. If you could only have one old game system, get an SNES. If you asked me what system I play most though, it would be the PCE. The SNES is full of games you sink your teeth into and enjoy for a while, the PCE is full of short bursts of arcadey ADD entertainment and sometimes that's all you want.

I'll also add there there are some pretty nice adventure and RPG series for the system. Y's, Cosmic Fantasy, Xak, Dragon Slayer, Neutopia, Dungeon Explorer, and more Japanese RPGs than you can shake a stick at. It's even got Might&Magic III with an interesting CD soundtrack and some sprite redesigns that were only used on that version. I'm not even that into shooters and it is still one of my favorite systems.

Besides, what other system has both a tennis and racing RPG where the random battles are tennis matches and races?:colbert:

d0s
Jun 28, 2004

Bing the Noize posted:

If the PC Engine's unusually niche library does not immediately appeal to you, there isn't much chance it ever would I think

I'm not sure it's that niche though? When I think of niche I think of like.. the PC-FX with it's specific target audience of visual novel/anime titty fans or the Casio Loopy (admirably) trying to cater to girls. The PCE just seemed like the Dreamcast of it's day, a big pile of great arcade/y games and a few token nods to RPG fans. It was incredibly popular in Japan, and with normal people not just the hardcore arcade otaku niche of something like, say, the X68000. Niche by today's standards, sure but I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that someone posting in a retro game thread would find something to like in a system that's full of great arcade games, unless they're specifically here for RPG/adventure/strategy and then yeah there's not really much excitement for them there.

EDIT

McCracAttack posted:

Actually, this might be the craziest example of the PC Engine's slavish commitment to compatibility.



So much :retrogames:.

:circlefap:

d0s fucked around with this message at 07:20 on Feb 2, 2014

Bing the Noize
Dec 21, 2008

by The Finn
I just mean if you consider what kind of games were the majority on the bigger systems and compare that to what genres populate the TG16/PCE that it's gonna be pretty different. This is just my intuition and no data to back it up.

d0s
Jun 28, 2004

Bing the Noize posted:

I just mean if you consider what kind of games were the majority on the bigger systems and compare that to what genres populate the TG16/PCE that it's gonna be pretty different. This is just my intuition and no data to back it up.

Oh yeah I get what you're saying. I think my Dreamcast analogy works in that context too, it's library was different from the other popular consoles of it's time, but different in a way game nerds appreciate.

I thought you meant niche as in full of anime games or something which is actually a really common misconception about the system and as wrong as I can imagine. For some reason a lot of people seem to think the PCE is a super hardcore Japan guy system full of games that require Japanese language skill and it's actually like the polar opposite of that, just about all of it's good games can be played with absolutely no Japanese at all. I think this comes from confusion with the PC-FX or something? Or maybe people just talk up it's more anime games on 4chan or something (it does have a great port of Wonder Momo ^_______^)

EDIT: The LT is dope as hell but my holy grail of PCE hardware is this thing



Give me one in perfect condition and I'll become some kind of weird dork hermit and get rid of all my other posessions and get really really good at R-Type

d0s fucked around with this message at 07:42 on Feb 2, 2014

ReverendHammer
Feb 12, 2003

BARTHOLOMEW THEODOSUS IS NOT AMUSED
Thanks for getting me to start looking at PCE SHMUPs on eBay this evening you assholes. :(

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

fatpat268 posted:

Buy a PSP Go, hook it up to the TV and connect a Dualshock 3. Boom, PSP Console.

Although, if you want to hook up the PSP to an HDTV, you're going to need a scaler of some sort, otherwise you're gonna get a black frame surrounding your screen. Some TVs can zoom just the right amount, but mine would always cut bits off.

There's a CFW plugin that gets rid of it, too (FUSA), though it doesn't work for all games.. or on all CFWs. Also the video out on the Go uses the same port as power/USB does, which suuuucks.

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Bing the Noize
Dec 21, 2008

by The Finn

ReverendHammer posted:

Thanks for getting me to start looking at PCE SHMUPs on eBay this evening you assholes. :(

Shoulda got a Turbo Everdrive. What can I say.

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