SirDrone posted:

Are Killiks unintentionally hilarious or intentionally a excuse for smut in a star wars book?

Chocolate Teapot posted:

Episode 3 was on the telly again on Saturday, and I have to say it's a much more enjoyable watch after having read SMG's variety of points raised with regards to the myriad of symbolic elements and other nuances. One element I'd never considered before was Obi-Wan's story, and the battles he finds himself in.

We start off with him and Anakin blasting shooting robots in space in futuristic battleships, surrounded by a support crew of clone warriors, and eventually battling their way through a much larger spaceship to rescue the Emperor. For the first half of the film, we get the supposedly cautious-but-wise master role as seen in the previous two films, but this is conflicted by his repeatedly smug and cocky attitudes towards his enemies, almost entirely consisting of robots. Without being able to articulate fully, the element of enemy robots is fairly important, as they act as some sort of iffy loophole for the Jedi to practice swinging their lightsabres as happily as Larry, without the consequences of having to worry about being reckless towards others, all the while in the name of preaching peace. Kind of like how early 1990s cartoon shows did the same thing, or how enemies in video games aren't real people, which may also be coupled with aforementioned space battles or that enormous wailing lizard chase sequence that precedes Obi-Wan killing General Grevious in the middle of the film.

Then there's General Grevious himself, who's self is deliberately vague, with a robot shell coupled with lizard-like eyes and active organs under the shell; SMG suggested that the Emperor teases Anakin about the live-giving possibilities of the dark side, possibly explaining Grevious' deformed state (and definitely defining Darth Vader's black outer shell). As Obi-Wan's ridiculous fight comes to a close, he is left with no other option than to shoot Grevious in the exposed heart to kill him, wherein we see him shoot the stage boss in the big glowing weak point, from which he explodes into flames and ends with Obi-Wan making a casual quip like loving James Bond.

Short version: much of Obi-Wan's plot and actions are like that of a video game in Episode 3, coupled with Jedi loopholes.

Eastbound Spider posted:

What does he even eat?

zVxTeflon posted:

he force teleports it out of his body

Eastbound Spider posted:

How does darth vader poop? Does it open up at the back and just slide out?



What does he even eat?

Negative Entropy posted:

This is hilarious. Lucas is just trolling his fanbase at this point.

Davros1 posted:

To be fair, I never realized that the original was supposed to be Kenobi making a sound. I thought it was just some weird music choice by John Williams.

kiimo posted:

It takes away from the idea that a friggin Jedi living among the sand people had already developed a bit of a reputation as somebody to fear which is the first thing I thought the very first time I watched Star Wars.

PeterWeller posted:

I don't see that. He always freaked them out with a yell. Now it is a freakier yell.

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

The point was always that Obiwan uses his voice as a weapon. ("I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.")

The joke in the SE is that it changes from Obiwan using his knowledge of the local people (note his observations about how sandpeople walk single file, and so-forth) to Obiwan using some kind of ridiculous Force Shout™ superpower.

Corek posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsipO_x3naA

"Because the force it's got a lot of power" - lyric from Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough by Michael Jackson, 10 seconds before the HOOOO in the song.

"Keep on with the force don't stop
Don't stop 'til you get enough" - the chorus

The MSJ posted:

The new animated series is going to have a "cowboy Jedi" in it, voiced by Freddie Prinze Jr. He dresses kinda like Kyle Katarn and his name is even Kanan, so maybe this was what that one guy was talking about : featuring an EU character but with their names changed.

PeterWeller posted:

I don't see that. He always freaked them out with a yell. Now it is a freakier yell.

The MSJ posted:

The new animated series is going to have a "cowboy Jedi" in it, voiced by Freddie Prinze Jr. He dresses kinda like Kyle Katarn and his name is even Kanan, so maybe this was what that one guy was talking about : featuring an EU character but with their names changed.

DFu4ever posted:

I was never too bent out of shape with the SE changes outside of the Greedo poo poo, but honestly, the changes he tacked onto the Blu-ray release are just mind-blowingly stupid. I want so bad to have a blu-ray copy of those movies, but I still just can't bring myself to pay for that.

That loving Sned posted:

The MSJ posted:

The new animated series is going to have a "cowboy Jedi" in it, voiced by Freddie Prinze Jr. He dresses kinda like Kyle Katarn and his name is even Kanan, so maybe this was what that one guy was talking about : featuring an EU character but with their names changed.

kiimo posted:

It takes away from the idea that a friggin Jedi living among the sand people had already developed a bit of a reputation as somebody to fear which is the first thing I thought the very first time I watched Star Wars.

Rinkles posted:

Star Wars to me is an ancient VHS recording with Dutch subtitles on a single Sony tape - non-native widescreen, but probably 16:9. I should check whether that tape still works (it did 6-7 years ago, when it was about 20 years old). Probably watched it (the trilogy on that tape) more than a dozen times as small kid. Sony made some good VHS tapes.

Hbomberguy posted:

A couple of years ago this would have sounded like the most pretentious thing in the world to me.

quote:

But now, it's beautiful. Thanks for sharing this.

Rinkles posted:

Star Wars to me is an ancient VHS recording with Dutch subtitles on a single Sony tape - non-native widescreen, but probably 16:9. I should check whether that tape still works (it did 6-7 years ago, when it was about 20 years old). Probably watched it (the trilogy on that tape) more than a dozen times as small kid. Sony made some good VHS tapes.

Rinkles posted:

That was straight from the heart. I always wondered why my dad didn't like me changing and choosing the tapes myself - I was 3 or 4 when I started using the VCR on my own - I figured he was a control freak (he is). One night as a teenager I randomly decided to go through the tapes labeled as "Entertainment". Nothing but early 90s MTV music videos, oh and a few with porno on their tail ends, as they apparently weren't properly overwritten.

What changed your perception?

Looks like someone threw away the tape, btw.

Darth TNT posted:

Memories!
Dutch star wars fans represent!
I still have my VHS of the first special edition up in the attic. I wonder if they still work.

The MSJ posted:

The new animated series is going to have a "cowboy Jedi" in it, voiced by Freddie Prinze Jr. He dresses kinda like Kyle Katarn and his name is even Kanan, so maybe this was what that one guy was talking about : featuring an EU character but with their names changed.

sassassin posted:

Obi-Wan is not 'a friggin Jedi' at that point. He's lying low as a crazy old hermit in the desert.

He's not been roaming the desert swinging a lightsaber about and building his rep as a certified badass. The sand people have nothing to fear from him by his own design.

*insert EU argument here*

Rinkles posted:

What changed your perception?

ShineDog posted:

I'm pretty sure we'll find out the Kanan is this obnoxious little git. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Petro_(Jedi_Initiate)

DancinBrud posted:

I like this idea. Any evidence, other than it looks like his age would match up and that Filoni is behind both shows?

ShineDog posted:

The Twilleck female lead is apparently the daughter of the Twilleck rebel leader from clones, so there's other callbacks in the show.

DancinBrud posted:

Where'd you see this? I've only seen the announcement videos for the droid and Kanan.

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

The point was always that Obiwan uses his voice as a weapon. ("I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.")

The joke in the SE is that it changes from Obiwan using his knowledge of the local people (note his observations about how sandpeople walk single file, and so-forth) to Obiwan using some kind of ridiculous Force Shoutâ„¢ superpower.

PeterWeller posted:

I think you're letting cynicism guide this interpretation. Why can't the roar of an alien desert monster be a strange rising whoop? Why can't Obiwan have learned to mimick that? It doesn't have to be a Force power. There is nothing in the film to indicate that it is.

E: Not directed to you, obviously, but I find the argument that the change is bad because it corrects one's initial misinterpretation of the scene incredibly poor. The scene is not built on ambiguity, so there's nothing wrong with clarifying the action.