epitasis posted:

3-Count was fun. The issue is WWE is chasing "fun" and "putting smiles on people's faces" and that gets us 15 dance gimmicks and nobody out of the main event that seems like they want to fight anybody.

Zack_Gochuck posted:

Hornswoggle, that is retarded.

triplexpac posted:

Oh I dunno, Hornswoggle was fun at first, when Finley was basically using him as a battering ram or javelin vs his opponents.

Obviously I agree that Hornswoggle got really overplayed. But he had his fun moments too.

Zack_Gochuck posted:

Oh yeah, that stuff was fun. I was talking mostly about the post Finley stuff, like literally being the road runner to Carlito's coyote, and being the last cruiserweight champion. I loved heel Finley on Smackdown.

Red posted:

I really wish Finlay got a fair shake in WCW. As best I recall, he was the TV champion that Saturn/Booker T/Rick Martel were chasing, right? I don't think he ever moved higher than that.

Red posted:

I really wish Finlay got a fair shake in WCW. As best I recall, he was the TV champion that Saturn/Booker T/Rick Martel were chasing, right? I don't think he ever moved higher than that.

triplexpac posted:

I can't think of a time when Finlay really should have gotten pushed higher than he did. WCW had such a huge, bloated card filled with stars. I know I never really took Finlay seriously at all until his WWE run.

DeathChicken posted:

He was solid midcard. Pretty much exactly Regal's spot, the guy who had the US/TV title and would probably beat anyone below him, but wasn't a real threat to anyone higher.

bobkatt013 posted:

Pro Wrestling needs to be fun, but also entertaining. It is a fine line and when its too much fun, it gets stupid. When there is too much drama and conflict it goes up its own rear end.

Red posted:

I feel like he was treated like a job guy for the most part, at least from the parts of WCW I watched.

WWE booked him really, really well, and he did a good job of making Bobby Lashley look like a million bucks.

Luigi Thirty posted:

Who would the worst WCW promo be of the people they actually let talk?

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According to reports we've received, the Marcus Bagwell movie "Day of the Warrior" makes Hogan movies look like Masterpiece Theater. Bagwell plays a character known as "The Supreme Warrior" (I guess that tells you who they wanted for the movie) in a loin cloth and face paint building to a 30 second final fight scene against a Penthouse Playmate who he head-butts in the breast and gets knocked out by and pinned.

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Yuji Nagata, who is a hell of a worker, is scheduled to come to WCW for all of 1997 similar to the Kurosawa deal. This guy is ten times the wrestler Kurosawa is, which, given WCW's track record, means he'll get one-tenth the push.

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Nitro on 12/2 from Dayton, OH drew a sellout of about 3,800 paying $52,383. It was one of the hottest crowds to date on Nitro which is saying something because they didn't give them much to be hot about. Nitro now starts at 7:55 p.m. each week to counter Raw's 7:57 p.m. start. There were a bunch of meaningless squashes on the show with a few exceptions. Glacier returned, basically doing his ring entrance complete with laser show. The ring entrance is cool. Match itself only went 1:00. Arn Anderson did a great interview talking for Roddy Piper saying the Horseman would back-up Piper next week in Charlotte when Piper and Hogan will both be at the live show. Kevin Sullivan did a hilarious interview with this exchange with Gene Okerlund--Kevin: "You've had your problems in the past, Gene." Gene: "You can say that again." Kevin: "You've had your problems in the past, Gene." The rest was the typical stuff saying he was going to bury Chris Benoit alive and continued talking about all that stuff that nobody but he can figure out. Dean Malenko beat Billy Kidman in a cruiserweight title match that wasn't as good as their previous Nitro match some months back as Kidman looked a little rough around the edges. Jeff Jarrett dropkicked the megaphone Big Bubba was holding, so the megaphone hit him in the face. I swear I thought I was going through deja vu seeing them set up and do exactly the same finish with the same two wrestlers as they did just a few weeks back. Thank God the NWO came out at that point to save a really boring show. I don't know what percentage of the insider stuff Scott Hall and Kevin Nash talk about that the average fan can figure out, but it was hilarious. They talked about the go-fer that Roddy Piper takes on the road with him and called him his "Bruti" (in reference to Ed Leslie for Hogan), talked about Jim Powers and Scott Steiner being all jacked up (gym lingo for steroided up), laughed about ECW saying that at least you can play bingo after watching the matches and made some funny references to the Four Horseman being like the Beatles in that they were hot in their day. Eric Bischoff seems like he's having way too much fun but it comes off as a negative to the angle. By the way, they didn't clue anybody in that they were going to take over the show ahead of time and when I say anybody, I mean anybody. Chris Benoit and Steve Regal had a U.S. title tourney match that Benoit won with a dragon suplex. The two worked inhumanly stiff with each other leading to Regal being busted open within a few seconds. It appeared they had a great match but the camera, at the sight of blood, pulled away so it appeared it was shooting from somewhere in New Zealand and for the most part the announcers were telling jokes and not calling anything. They did a Horseman interview sans Woman, and Arn Anderson, Debra and Steve McMichael started complaining to Benoit about Woman and Benoit said she's 100% Horseman, which of course means she isn't. Rocco Rock returned and was racked by Lex Luger. Rick Steiner challenged Sting earlier in the show based on the angle from last week, and had Scott in his corner. Sting came down and within 24 seconds, used the reverse DDT on Rick. He then pulled out a baseball bat, shoved Rick (who Hall & Nash were calling "Robby" which is his real first name), handed him the bat and turned his back on him. Rick was about to hit him with the bat but Scott stopped him. Bischoff, Hall and Nash spent the entire match talking like Sting had joined the NWO, which, of course, means that he hasn't. They were also complimentary to all the wrestlers on the show and talked about wanting guys like Regal, Benoit, Dave Taylor, Luger, Eddie Guerrero, etc. to join the NWO.

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The WCW hotline has talked about Kimona Wanaleia coming in. They also talked about Raven coming in, but that was a 100% work. Gene Okerlund was looking for a name to use because the scam about a wrestler jumping promotions usually does well and hotline business has sagged a great deal of late (down 40% according to one source). So he made up the story and someone else came up with the idea that Raven would be a good name to use.

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Speaking of Bischoff having too much fun, this was from the 11/24 Charleston Post-Courier, regarding Bischoff being told that Vince McMahon didn't remember him from a 1990 job interview where McMahon interviewed Bischoff for an announcing position. "In June of 1990 I was down there for an interview and audition and talked to Vince for probably half an hour. If he doesn't remember it, perhaps he was engaged in some of his admitted chemical activity during that time. But I was there. He was there." In the same article Bischoff said, "The nonsense and perception of reality that Vince McMahon, a guy who has admitted using steroids to try to beef up what was otherwise a scrawny, frail little individual, I think when he wakes up in the morning, he looks in the mirror and still sees that 80-pound birdface punk that nobody wanted to play with, and he has to deal with that every day. And the way he's trying to deal with is trying to create this perception. And I just hope people are smart enough to see through this nonsense and deal with reality." As if the lawyers aren't busy enough as it is.

MassRafTer posted:

He was one slot above a jobber basically right up until he won the TV title. That served to piss the gently caress out of the IWC because they wanted Benoit to win that title, not Finlay. It seemed really out of nowhere, even for me who watched pretty much every WCW show on a weekly basis. I really liked Finlay at that point so I was actually kind of happy, but I wanted Benoit to win that title too. Looking back, yay Finlay, get that gold.

Red posted:

The Benoit and Malenko team were similarly jerked around.

Red posted:

YES! I remember this now. A ton of the guys on my dorm floor were "WTF" about Finlay getting the belt. I'd forgotten Benoit was chasing that belt, too.

It's almost like someone or something is trying to make me forget him.

The Benoit and Malenko team were similarly jerked around.

MassRafTer posted:

Benoit/Malenko were at least getting the belts the next month, with the TV title Benoit only got it for a house show to house show reign. It'd be kind of like today if a few months ago when Big E was about to win the IC title, Justin Gabriel won it on Raw. "Justin Gabriel's good and all... but, why is he winning it over Big E?" Not that Big E is the next Benoit, since we know he's an even better wrestler but not as much of a murderer.

oldpainless posted:

Everyone talks about "Day of the Warrior" being some obscure cult film but if you had Showtime or The Movie Channel in the 90s you were gonna see that movie, like it or not. And I liked it.

Plus the sequel was even better.

Rodney the Piper posted:

Wasn't Martel supposed to have a feud with Booker T over the TV belt where little by little Martel would display heelish tendencies while Booker T kept winning, eventually leading to Martel snapping and turning?

Zack_Gochuck posted:

A man with a wily beard that shouts yes and no at everything and encourages the audience to join in, that is fun.

oatgan posted:

Eric Bischoff might be the most unlikable human being in wrestling history

oatgan posted:

Eric Bischoff might be the most unlikable human being in wrestling history

El Gallinero Gros posted:

It'd be a fine statement if he followed it up by being like "non-rapist division".

oatgan posted:

I should clarify a general non-criminal kind of unlikable. He is insufferable in every way and nothing will ever get him down because it's literally everyone's fault but his.

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El Gallinero Gros posted:

It'd be a fine statement if he followed it up by being like "non-rapist division".