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MODS CURE JOKES
Nov 11, 2009

OFFICIAL SAS 90s REMEMBERER
This is totally unrelated to the discussion at hand, but I feel like it merits saying that Crion might be my favorite sports journalist. Unironically. Every article is thoughtful + well written + also funny. Good on you, sir.

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tinstaach
Aug 3, 2010

MAGNetic AttITUDE


MourningView posted:

Yeah people talked about it even at the time. It was pretty obvious what was going on there.

I was about to ask why the union didn't raise an issue, but then I remembered that Jon Dowd Bonds wasn't in the union.

C. Everett Koop
Aug 18, 2008

tinstaach posted:

I was about to ask why the union didn't raise an issue, but then I remembered that Jon Dowd Bonds wasn't in the union.

I thought Bonds had only withdrawn his likeness for games/cards/whatever?

And the problem with Bonds' collusion is that he'd have to prove it, and it's too easy for all the clubs to just say "we don't want a 40 year old with an injury history even though he'd be the best hitter on our team by a country mile" without documented proof. The owners being dumbshits and making their collusion obvious is what busted them before. Like String said, don't take notes on a criminal loving conspiracy.

ElwoodCuse
Jan 11, 2004

we're puttin' the band back together
Yeah it was only for licensing.

General Dog
Apr 26, 2008

Everybody's working for the weekend

C. Everett Koop posted:

I thought Bonds had only withdrawn his likeness for games/cards/whatever?

And the problem with Bonds' collusion is that he'd have to prove it, and it's too easy for all the clubs to just say "we don't want a 40 year old with an injury history even though he'd be the best hitter on our team by a country mile" without documented proof. The owners being dumbshits and making their collusion obvious is what busted them before. Like String said, don't take notes on a criminal loving conspiracy.

Plus, it's not like teams have a responsibility to sign a player just because he can still play. I'm generally a Bonds defender, but if none if the owners wanted to take on the PR issues that would come with signing Bonds, then that's their decision to make.

toadee
Aug 16, 2003

North American Turtle Boy Love Association

There is simply no way that all teams passed on someone who had a .480 OBP the previous season who publicly stated he was willing to play for league minimum without there being some word going around behind the scenes that nobody better sign him.

Simplex
Jun 29, 2003

I would say that there it's a pretty big difference in that A-Rod is still under contract for two more years and what $50 million? I assume at this point he just shows up to collect his paycheck even if he doesn't want to or can't pay anymore

Tender Bender
Sep 17, 2004

toadee posted:

There is simply no way that all teams passed on someone who had a .480 OBP the previous season who publicly stated he was willing to play for league minimum without there being some word going around behind the scenes that nobody better sign him.

Who were the Rays dh-ing in 2008? In an alternate universe I like to think they sign him and win the world series.

Moe_Rahn
Jun 1, 2006

I got a question
why they hatin' on me?
I ain't did nothin' to 'em
but count this money
and put my team on
got my whole clique stunnin'
boy wassup
yeeeeeaaaaaahhhh

Tender Bender posted:

Who were the Rays dh-ing in 2008? In an alternate universe I like to think they sign him and win the world series.
A mixture of Cliff Floyd, Rocco Baldelli, and Jonny Gomes, with a dash of whoever wasn't playing the field that day.

Crion
Sep 30, 2004
baseball.

MODS CURE JOKES posted:

This is totally unrelated to the discussion at hand, but I feel like it merits saying that Crion might be my favorite sports journalist. Unironically. Every article is thoughtful + well written + also funny. Good on you, sir.

hello, Dad

swizz
Oct 10, 2004

I can recall being broke with some friends in Tennessee and deciding to have a party and being able to afford only two-fifths of a $1.75 bourbon called Two Natural, whose label showed dice coming up 5 and 2. Its taste was memorable. The psychological effect was also notable.
David Hill's recent article on Grantland, entitled "Can't Knock the Hustle", is a fascinating look into the world of modern billiards and a really fantastic read

MourningView
Sep 2, 2006


Is this Heaven?

swizz posted:

David Hill's recent article on Grantland, entitled "Can't Knock the Hustle", is a fascinating look into the world of modern billiards and a really fantastic read

Yeah I read this yesterday and meant to post about it here. It's great.

DJExile
Jun 28, 2007


swizz posted:

David Hill's recent article on Grantland, entitled "Can't Knock the Hustle", is a fascinating look into the world of modern billiards and a really fantastic read

Pro click right here. That's an awesome article.

MODS CURE JOKES
Nov 11, 2009

OFFICIAL SAS 90s REMEMBERER

Crion posted:

hello, Dad

I am simultaneously the dad and the tiny babby

Nissin Cup Nudist
Sep 3, 2011

Sleep with one eye open

We're off to Gritty Gritty land




swizz posted:

David Hill's recent article on Grantland, entitled "Can't Knock the Hustle", is a fascinating look into the world of modern billiards and a really fantastic read

Also definitive proof that momentum is A Thing

General Dog
Apr 26, 2008

Everybody's working for the weekend
This is apropos of nothing, but when is ESPN going to launch its inevitable late night talk show hosted by Bill Simmons?

General Dog fucked around with this message at 04:15 on Feb 21, 2014

The Goog
Aug 6, 2007

It's a Goog Day, yes it is!
Roughly never, given that such a show would attract the same demo as Jimmy Kimmel, and he is on ABC.

Benne
Sep 2, 2011

STOP DOING HEROIN
Yeah, I really don't see an audience for that type of format. At that time of night, people are tuning into ESPN to get caught up on the scores and highlights, not to see half-baked sketches or monologues they could just watch on Kimmel/Fallon instead.


As the poster above alluded to, ESPN isn't sacrificing a half hour of its SportsCenter block just to do what Kimmel is already doing on its parent network.

Benne fucked around with this message at 08:32 on Feb 21, 2014

Truther Vandross
Jun 17, 2008

put him on ABC at 1:30 after Kimmel

Thaddius the Large
Jul 5, 2006

It's in the five-hole!

The Goog posted:

Roughly never, given that such a show would attract the same demo as Jimmy Kimmel, and he is on ABC.

Morons are a demographic?

The Goog
Aug 6, 2007

It's a Goog Day, yes it is!

Thaddius the Large posted:

Morons are a demographic?

White male sports fans, so...yes.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


The Goog posted:

White male sports fans, so...yes.

Its racist to suggest only white male sports fans are morons.

Kinda sexist too.

Pvt. Public
Sep 9, 2004

I am become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds.

Sash! posted:

Its racist to suggest only white male sports fans are morons.

Kinda sexist too.

Assume everyone is a loving idiot at all times. Makes things a lot simpler.

Greg Brock
Feb 28, 2008



https://twitter.com/THNKenCampbell/status/437332599082872832

hunnert car pileup
Oct 28, 2007

the first world was a mistake

The "No I meant to say this read the column" and ensuing slapfight with Greg Wyshynski are pretty great.

hunnert car pileup fucked around with this message at 02:42 on Feb 23, 2014

The broken bones
Jan 3, 2008

Out beyond winning and losing, there is a field.

I will meet you there.

Dude just trolled the poo poo out of American hockey fans in one fell swoop better than @twolinepass has ever done to Canadians.

Too bad he didn't just stay off the internet for a while

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

The broken bones posted:

Dude just trolled the poo poo out of American hockey fans in one fell swoop better than @twolinepass has ever done to Canadians.

Too bad he didn't just stay off the internet for a while

Given what Ken Campbell usually posts, it is usually safe to guess that he's not trolling but actually sincerely very stupid.

morestuff
Aug 2, 2008

You can't stop what's coming
It's kind of cheap pointing out certain blogs are awful but hey this is awful:



quote:

While this recent movement is a thumbs up for tolerance, the way the media has shamed people into having to act like being gay is something everyone proudly embraces has reverse discriminatory effects on heterosexual players. If you didn't clap for Jason Collins on Sunday night as he made his debut with the Nets as the first "openly gay NBA player," then something is obviously wrong with you morally right? But noone is beefing about that 10-day contract with the Nets, which seems like more of a symbolic gesture than a necessary personnel move. A way for Brooklyn to steal the headlines and get credit for being the "first" at something. How the tides have turned.

Collins is actually playing in the NBA today because he is gay and possibly taking jobs away from heterosexual males who may be fringe players but don't have that extra "gay" trait which elevates normal men to icons now.

morestuff fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Feb 24, 2014

DJExile
Jun 28, 2007


The 2nd most offensive thing to me is using "who's" instead of "whose"

soggybagel
Aug 6, 2006
The official account of NFL Tackle Phil Loadholt.

Let's talk Football.
Kobe adds being homosexual to his legacy.

The broken bones
Jan 3, 2008

Out beyond winning and losing, there is a field.

I will meet you there.

Hand Knit posted:

Given what Ken Campbell usually posts, it is usually safe to guess that he's not trolling but actually sincerely very stupid.

It doesn't matter to me if he means it or not, I haven't seen that many Americans pissed about a hockey article ... ever. It hit just the right notes at a fever pitch of American interest in hockey.



DJExile posted:

The 2nd most offensive thing to me is using "who's" instead of "whose"

"noone"

RalphTheWonderLlama
Jan 23, 2006

Baseball is serious business.
gonna go blow some guys so I can be an icon now.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22
Won't someone thing of the cis hetero males? :qq:

Thaddius the Large
Jul 5, 2006

It's in the five-hole!
I think a secret meeting of gay people plotting the overthrow of straight society is actually pretty hilarious and awesome and have no problem with it.

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





i know this is for like bad and crazy poo poo, but this is the funniest thing i have ever read about sports (in a good way):

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-new-york-knicks-its-the-hope-that-kills-you-in-the-end/

Spoeank
Jul 16, 2003

That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it
Colin Kaepernick, 49ers QB, has made it known that when his rookie contract is up, he wants a contract in line with his peers.

Noted crotchety old man/Kaepernick disbeliever Lowell Cohn made his disturbance with this fact known:

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20140303/sports/140309883#page=0

quote:

Colin Kaepernick is not an attractive personality. Usually he doesn’t say jack. And that’s not attractive. When he says jack — and more — he’s even less attractive.

Take what the Boston Globe is reporting about Kaepernick. He wants a contract extension from the 49ers. He wants a big-money contract extension. He wants Jay Cutler money. He wants Tony Romo money. He wants more than those guys get.

FYI, Cutler signed for $18.1 a year, $38 million guaranteed. Romo signed for $18 million a year, $40 million guaranteed.

If Kaepernick doesn’t get that kind of dough, he says he’ll go back to kindergarten and knock over his blocks and hold his breath until he turns blue. Check that. I got carried away.

He actually said, according to the Globe, he’ll play out the final year of his contract, base salary just south of one mil, and negotiate after next season instead of settling for what he considers a contract unworthy of his eminence.

Someone should slap a Boston cream pie in Kaepernick’s smug face.

Why?

Start with this. During Super Bowl Week, he made the rounds of radio talk shows in New York. It talks! He went on with Murph and Mac and, in a sensitive, reasonable voice, said he’s not looking to break the bank in his next contract. What a guy. He’d accept a reasonable contract, not a whopper, so the 49ers can have enough money to sign key players like Donte Whitner and keep the team together. Kaepernick wanted everyone to see him as the ultimate team player.

Now this. It’s like he’s saying, “To hell with the team. I want mine.”

There are words to describe his position starting with “hypocrite” and ending with “phony.” You can fill in words in between.

There’s more. Kaepernick has started 23 regular-season games. That’s not even two seasons’ worth of games. In his 23 starts he has done some things well. He also has created two iconic images in the minds of 49ers fans. Those images would be flopping at the end of the Super Bowl against the Ravens on useless, repetitive, unimaginative passes to Michael Crabtree. And then flopping yet again in last season’s NFC championship game, throwing the same useless, repetitive, unimaginative pass to Crabtree.

For those passes, for freezing under pressure, for not seeing the entire field, for all that and more, Kaepernick does not rate top money. Let the Bears and Cowboys make desperate, silly moves. Let them throw away money. None of that is our concern.

Our concern is Kaepernick. Our wisdom tells us the Niners should pay for what a player actually did in real life, in the hurly-burly of action on the field with the stakes high and everything depending on his wits and his arm. The Niners should not pay for what a twice-failed quarterback might do, could possibly do some day in a vague future that may never happen.

And make no mistake, Kaepernick has failed twice. Jim Harbaugh dumped Alex Smith — there’s no polite way to put it — after Smith got injured, an unusual move, and made his guy, Kaepermick, the quarterback expressly to win a Super Bowl. That was the logic and that was the goal.

Smith already proved he could lose in the NFC championship game. Harbaugh wanted someone to do better. He wanted someone to win the championship game and win the Super Bowl. Well, Kaepernick won and lost the championship game. He also lost the Super Bowl in horrible ways.

The Niners gave the team to Kaepernick to win the Super Bowl. Not to lose the Super Bowl. They expected him to deliver. He did not. Toward the end of last season, Harbaugh and Greg Roman made noises that Kaepernick is young and still learning. Weak. They didn’t put him in to learn. They put him in to win.

And he should have won. Kaepernick is the quarterback of the NFL’s most talented roster. Neither Kaepernick nor Harbaugh has won the Super Bowl with those players. Other quarterbacks would have won. Other head coaches would have won. Not these guys.

If the 49ers give Kaepernick the money the Globe says he wants, that will sink the whole franchise. For a quarterback who’s still learning? Imagine what Billy Beane would do in a parallel situation. He’d get a new quarterback.

Here’s what the 49ers should do. They should remind Kaepernick and his agent that Kaepernick has a contract. A valid, binding contract. Written on paper. A document he signed in sound mind. They should hold him to that contract. See how he plays next season. See if he improves in the red zone. See if he sees the entire field. See if he wins the Super Bowl.

Stuff like that.

If he wins the Super Bowl, sure, give him Cutler money. If not, well things will get real interesting. But, please, make his contract performance-based, not extortion based.

Because there is a certain amount of extortion involved in his negotiations and Harbaugh’s negotiations. It’s like they own the franchise. It’s like they are holding it up, like without them the Niners will revert to being complete failures.

They certainly are showing a lack of respect for Jed York and his business acumen and guts.

I hope York asserts himself, lets Kaepernick and Harbaugh know he runs the team and these are the 49ers, for God’s sake, and they are bigger than two guys, no matter who those guys are. And the Niners will pay on their terms, run the team on their terms.

Advice to Jed York: If Kaepernick persists in his unrealistic, impertinent, rude demands, give him jack.


Oh, Lowell, don't change :allears:

For the record, by his measure, Kaepernick has already achieved more than Jay Cutler & Tony Romo.

Also Kaepernick is playing out his contract & is negotiating an extension, which according to Cohn, is apparently him not playing out his contract.

Truther Vandross
Jun 17, 2008

that is a stupid column but :laffo: at Kaepernick's current expectations

ElwoodCuse
Jan 11, 2004

we're puttin' the band back together
Has a football writer ever pulled the "play out the contract" card when a guy on the decline gets cut from his big money deal he got when he was good?

Muddy Burphy
Dec 4, 2010

The #RXT REVOLUTION has two words for ya..
SCOOP IT!

:frogc00l:

he knows...
Give him Jay Cutler money only if he does something Jay Cutler hasn't done. Got it.

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poly and open-minded
Nov 22, 2006

In BOD we trust

sportsgenius86 posted:

that is a stupid column but :laffo: at Kaepernick's current expectations

It's actually not too amazing an expectations. I'm not sure he deserves as much but it's not insane to ask to be paid about as much as Romo and 6 mil more than Schaub

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