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Nice, that's shaping up quickly. FWIW i agree with you about gamma world, I really like a lot of things about it but the rifts-style mishmash world doesn't do it for me and i prefer the more somber tone of CoQ. If you ever get around to publishing or releasing the Qud world info i would totally use the D&D 4e gamma world box to run a qud campaign. Since i mentioned it, if you are a tabletop roleplayer the D&D 4e gamma world box is an insane value, i think i got mine shrinkwrapped and shipped from amazon for like ten bucks. You also do not need to buy the skill boosters, the game is complete without them. It's just an artifact of wizards' stupid marketing schtick where everything has to ape the Magic/CCG model. andrew smash fucked around with this message at 04:34 on Feb 16, 2014 |
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andrew smash posted:Since i mentioned it, if you are a tabletop roleplayer the D&D 4e gamma world box is an insane value, i think i got mine shrinkwrapped and shipped from amazon for like ten bucks. You also do not need to buy the skill boosters, the game is complete without them. It's just an artifact of wizards' stupid marketing schtick where everything has to ape the Magic/CCG model. I have all Gamma World/Metamorphosis Alpha objects available for acquisition. I almost bought the original 3rd-edition boxed Gamma World cover art painting when it was up on e-bay, but wussed out. Next time, though  D&D 4e edition is a reasonably good take on it, certainly better than the nanomachines-as-magic junk of the previous attempt. My personal favorite is 3rd edition, and it's module line. Though that might just be because it was my first pen-and-paper RPG ever. (Because my family thought D&D books would speak to me in devil tongues; but hey Gamma World is probably fine!  )...also, just as a collector's tidbit, the second edition boxed set has a bunch of content for the bizzare-but-cool maps that are included with 3rd edition boxed set, that aren't referenced anywhere in its books. 
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Unormal posted:Less embarrassing: I don't know if it's the sparser landscape or the multi-colored tiles, but I honestly think this one looks worse than the other one. Unormal posted:It's happening. (Joppa loaded from actual CoQ data files, but upside down because Y is reversed in Sproggiwood) Larger tiles here, too.
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Potsticker posted:I don't know if it's the sparser landscape or the multi-colored tiles, but I honestly think this one looks worse than the other one. The big advances here are correctly bi-colored tiles, using some of yo voxn's tiles, and correct data loading. Look and feel will probably be a lot different when we get around to actually making it not be hideous. I zoomed it out here to capture Joppa in a recognizable way, I think we'll go for a more zoomed-in view for the new game proper. The individual levels will likely be much more dense than CoQ level generation. (e: I'll probably allow pinch zoom/drag on the main view, like Sproggiwood) Unormal fucked around with this message at 04:57 on Feb 16, 2014 |
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Unormal posted:The big advances here are correctly bi-colored tiles, using some of yo voxn's tiles, and correct data loading. Look and feel will probably be a lot different when we get around to actually making it not be hideous. I like that most people in Joppa keep a pillory in their house. That seems like fun. Looking at both pictures next to each other, I feel like the mono-color on black helps the imagery stand out more, making the symbols easier to process faster. And the smaller pixels on the map in the new image clash with the large pixels used with the UI, making it look like there is no standard size. The uniform size in the HP/EN placeholder with the map specifically, but you see it with the arrows and "wait" button too.
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Never been a fan of rectangular tiles, it makes it a pain to judge distance quickly and accurately. Especially with an aspect ratio like the more recent image.
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Welp, reached the important milestone: Walking around murdering everyone. Not bad for a night's work.
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Those health bars are neat and a solid addition! I wish more roguelikes were open to communicating more information to players visually like that.
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Unormal posted:Welp, reached the important milestone: Walking around murdering everyone. Not bad for a night's work. You know what, it looks like the color thing isn't that bad and it was just the zoom level. This shot looks good.
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Man ADOM has a lot of dickish ways to kill you. Apparently it's possible for the upstairs to be in a dark room that also contains a river. I hit left a few times and I was dead from drowning before I realized what was happening.
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Every time I see someone talk about Joppa I think of this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kUZ7yiJQ2w
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A LOVELY LAD posted:I didn't manage to finish my bakery roguelike last year so this year I might take a week off work to do something which I have already started planning. Is anyone else here planning on doing anything? I'm kinda thinking of doing a Spartacus style arena combat game, but I'm still trying to think of a way to make 1v1 equal combat interesting and varied in a roguelike. I'm not entirely sure if it should be borrowing Sil mechanics (wait one turn and gain focus and defense / spears let you get an attack of opportunity when an opponent moves into your space, etc) or an active skill bar like Tome4. Is there a roguelike that does 1v1 duels well without resorting to weapon/item gimmicks? Goffer fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Feb 16, 2014 |
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Throw in terrain hazards and powers that let you control positioning by throwing your enemy / yourself around. Nothing quite like winning by shield bashing your opponent into a spike pit / lava pit / giant blender, etc.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Without asking you to actually give it away (unless you want to), is CoQ set in a specific part of the present-day Earth and are there enough hints to work out where it is? Or is it more of a "the continents have cracked and shifted and nothing is recognizable any more" kind of deal? Unormal posted:Well yes and no; we have a reasonably developed backstory for the world and a good idea in-general for where it's set, and a set of rationale for why the environment is the way it is, and how it relates to the current world; but it's a vast amount of time in the future, so it's not anything directly corollary like Wacky Adventures in Apoclyptic Suburban NewJersy with Guido the Turtleboy. We always loved a lot of gamma world, but never the specific so-close-to-apocalypse-youre-adventuring-in-your-local-mall-plus-mutants setting elaboration; so this was, essentailly, an attempt to fuse the good (as defined by us) subset of Gamma World with a lot of other influences into an original work. I'm going to be a little more terse and somewhat contradictory and say: there are hints.
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For anyone interested, we have a pretty big cache of supplemental material for our pen and paper setting that Qud is part of -- like Unormal said. Now that we're revamping freeholdgames.com, we'll probably make a lot of it available. Stuff like this expands on some of the fringe elements of Qud that play larger roles in the greater Freehold setting: The Tribes of Men is a travelogue and oral tradition of the desert-dwelling dromad merchants. It is an account of the myriad humanoid civilizations the dromad have encountered and with whom they've traded over the courses of their lengthy treks across Moghra'yi, the Great Salt Desert. [edit] The Tribes The Wading Men - The slugmounters of Ettinspine and the Pale Sea salt marshes The Gathered Men - The citizens of the colossal desert freehold Nanru The Hidden Men - The denizens of the comb-cave freeholds found throughout the Sunderlies The Kneeling Men - The Odrumian disciples of the Eustace-sutta The Wrathful Men - Called the salt eaters; the manscorpions of northeastern Moghra'yi The Screaming Men - The cavern-dwellers of the rust-caves of Qud The Breathless Men - The men of the jungles of Yyp, specifically the citizens of Ekuemekiyye, the Holy City The Vanished Men - The long-dead race of giants that perished crossing the salt desert In their chronicles, the dromad refer to themselves as the Thirstless Men.
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COQ is my favourite roguelike. I love the fascinating setting, the beautiful ascii and the actual gameplay. It reminds me of the Dark Tower series, as well as Gamma. Long life and fresh water freehold, I thank thee.
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Agreed on all accounts! I know next to nothing about Gamma World, but CoQ reminds me of Dark Tower a lot, yeah. Especially the early books, with the weirdo cyborg bear and intelligent supersonic train.
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Can you guys recommend me a roguelike? I've tried dungeon crawl and it's really fun, but I'm looking for something with a bit more depth. I really enjoyed Cataclysm DDA and would love to play something that was a cross between the constant action packed stuff of DCSS, and the way Cataclysm's Progression seems to have awesome crazy stuff. Like in Cataclysm you start out with nothing but your clothes, then you pick up a rock, then you make a wooden sword, then you go into town, and like 8 days later you're driving a murdervan filled to the gills with crazy guns and what not.
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If you want something that has a bit more depth and relies mostly on action, ToME is probably right up your alley as it focuses pretty much entirely on tactical combat. Thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3604865
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Caves of qud. It even has a power curve similar to what you describe assuming you live long enough to see any of it.
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Harminoff posted:Anyone try Endless Nights on android? Snagged it, because gently caress it, it's $.99. Honestly, I wouldn't bother. It's got some fairly decent ideas, such as: -So far as I can tell, every character starts off the same, you have no armor, your fist, a Crawl-magic-dart-esque spell, and a self buff bless, and how your character evolves is based around what you use, sort of like Crawl's skills. If you cast the magic dart skill a bunch, your magic stats go up. It differs from Crawl in that your spells also level up with use, and as you gain more spell stat levels, you unlock new spells, which get further randomized. I started casting some dark magic spell called Black Tentacles or something, and my dark magic skill went up, and eventually I got another dark magic skill, plus a couple of necromancy skills eventually. There seems to be a similar setup for melee skills. -The profiles seem like cool ideas, though I didn't mess around with them at all. There's Hardcore, which is regular roguelike permadeath, Lucky, which says they get random bonuses through the game, including one extra life, Hoarder, which brings a portion of its gold when starting a new character after the old one dies, Collector, which keeps most of its gems (which I think are used for crafting/enchanting or something) between runs, and Races, which gives different race options, which are mostly just stat adjustments (extra dex and spirit at a cost of constitution, etc). -An interesting defense mechanic, where most things have the ability to block, dodge, or parry attacks. I assume they're based off of stats and equipment to some degree, but I'm not sure. Anyway, they work almost like automatic skills, if you or an enemy dodges an attack, for example, the dodge goes on a kind of cooldown and can't trigger until it refreshes. Combat is supposedly built around breaking through these defenses, with skills and spells interacting with them differently. For example, the help page mentions a Feint ability that will presumably trigger one of them to some benefit, I guess, while different types of spells interact with them in different ways. AoE spells are harder to dodge, touch spells are the only ones to be parried, some spells hit multiple times, giving better chances to break through defenses. Spells also have cast times, where stuff like bolt spells take a couple of turns to cast, but are more accurate,touch spells cast quickly, but as mentioned can be parried. Now, the bad: -The interface sucks out loud. The eight-directional 'd-pad' is extremely finicky, and it's hard to accurately hit the direction you want, at least on my phone. You only have a health and mana/stamina/whatever bar, plus indicators for dodge/block/parry, for you and enemies. No numbers, no indicator for how much an enemy might do in an attack, nothing. -There's no way that I could tell to look at an enemy, and there's not even a name until combat actually happens ("The kobold/centipede/dickbutt dodged your attack/hit you with a stick/dicked your butt.") -Spells just show up on the right side of your screen as buttons to cast them. They give some information about what the spell does, actual numbers for damage and such (which is useless because you can't tell how much health an enemy actually has), but it's very sparse. Additionally, it seems like there's no continuity to what spells you have available, beyond a basic "The more you use the spell, the more likely it is to stick around." I got two necromancy spells at once, and I cast one of them a couple of times, and the other one just disappeared forever. This might be an intentional thing, but if so, there's no explanation or warning. They also shift around their order seemingly at random, and I think there's a limit on how many you can have at once., basically how many fit on your screen. I was running around just slinging spells for a while, and had my spell 'bar' filled out with spells, then I hit things with a hammer I found a few times, and 3/4 of my spells were replaced with "Hit this thing in a different way with your weapon" skills, with my only two spells remaining being the necro spell I'd been casting, and the basic magic dart spell I'd spammed a bunch at the beginning. There doesn't seem to be a way to cast spells that aren't on hte right side of your screen. The game also apparently handles you having too little Force power to cast a given spell by temporarily removing it from your bar, instead of greying it out or something sane. -There's no way o wait in place or rest, all you can do is move back and forth between two spaces (which is fun with the finicky d-pad), and health/rage-juice doesn't regenerate during combat, and seems to take an arbitrarily random (and sometimes really long) amount of time to start regenning. Once it does, though, you regen to full in like four turns, and there's no food clock, so there's no reason not to spam left/right after each and every fight. -You can't move your view around to look at the level, so the only thing you can see is the 7x7 or so grid directly around your character, some of which is behind UI elements such as the combat log. They're translucent and can be tapped-through to target enemies behind them, but still, what the hell. Other than that, you have a lovely minimap that can't be expanded and provides very little useful information. -There are no spellbooks from what I can tell. There's potions, wands, and scrolls, but if you want new spells or skills, you have to equip the correct weapon or hope you still have a spell in the area you want to train, and hope doing so doesn't get rid of what you are currently using. -The documentation is literally just three pages with two paragraphs each, giving very general basics without going in-depth into anything at all. -I mentioned that you start with just your fist for a weapon? Yeah, it's actually a weapon that gets put into your backpack when you equip something else, and can be dropped for pack space   . I can only imagine that it's actually a Hulk Hand or something, which you have to put on if you want to punch some dude in the face. No idea if there's other hands that you can replace it with with better stats. 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Is Occult Chronicles any good? I tried the demo and it was okay, if a bit confusing. But I'm not dropping 20 bucks on it unless it's nothing less than stellar.
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Demiurge4 posted:Is Occult Chronicles any good? I tried the demo and it was okay, if a bit confusing. But I'm not dropping 20 bucks on it unless it's nothing less than stellar. It really depends on if you like it or not, if you weren't really enjoying the demo then you probably won't like the full game. Personally I find it fun, although it was a bit confusing how all the perks and edges and stuff worked at the start.
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andrew smash posted:Throw in terrain hazards and powers that let you control positioning by throwing your enemy / yourself around. Nothing quite like winning by shield bashing your opponent into a spike pit / lava pit / giant blender, etc. Sounds great. That way I can add small underground arenas with spiked walls and fire pits, larger arenas with lions and stuff. Yay variety! I might do some kind of guildwars2-esk thing for skills - give the main hand weapon 3 skills, the off-hand 2 and some extras the player can learn. That way you can pick up weapons off the ground and immediately have them be useful. No backpack allowed, starting off nekkid.
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Goffer posted:Sounds great. That way I can add small underground arenas with spiked walls and fire pits, larger arenas with lions and stuff. Yay variety! If you haven't seen it, check out card hunter for some ideas on how equipment granting combat powers can work. In that basically your character has a deck of actions determined by your equip slots. An empty slot gives you a set of generic actions, they get replaced by better or more specialized powers when you equip something. You then draw a hand of actions each turn. It's not perfect, there are some things I don't like about it but its pretty slick all in all.
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Played with it for a bit and it's a pretty neat system, not too far from what I had in mind (in terms of skill swapping). The other thing I'm probably going to try to implement is some kind of ego shield, a bubble that protects you from harm until it reaches 25% or less. Taunting, crowd cheering, being humiliated and doing satisfying executions could harm as much as a sword blow or heal you like a potion. Taunting could be context sensitive too, taunting a fresh opponent would effect them differently to one who is stunned from a shield bash or trapped in a net. Said mechanics, taunting a stunned opponent might break their ego allowing for an execution, or it may harden their resolve, lengthening the fight - to the delight of the crowd. That way I can have some quick kill chaff dudes with low ego and drawn out hero fights against overinflated egos.
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Time for my first Darkforge raid in ADOM. let's see what their legendary armor cache has in store...
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Qudchat: the presence of "Bethsaida" made me think Qud is somewhere in New England at first, though a cursory Googling reveals there are Bethesda hospitals all the hell over. The geography itself doesn't lend itself too well there, though.
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packetmantis posted:Qudchat: the presence of "Bethsaida" made me think Qud is somewhere in New England at first, though a cursory Googling reveals there are Bethesda hospitals all the hell over. The geography itself doesn't lend itself too well there, though. Why New England? Admittedly I'm not from new England so I might be missing something but Bethesda Susa made me think Maryland which is definitely not New England.
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Not to totally derail your post and prove how new to roguelikes I am, but what tiles are those and where do I get them??? I can't seem to Google them, but I would get back into ADOM if it looked that awesome.
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brother-joseph posted:Not to totally derail your post and prove how new to roguelikes I am, but what tiles are those and where do I get them??? I can't seem to Google them, but I would get back into ADOM if it looked that awesome. Development of adom is active again, those tiles are one of the new features.
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andrew smash posted:Why New England? Admittedly I'm not from new England so I might be missing something but Bethesda Susa made me think Maryland which is definitely not New England. Also the town is called Joppa, which is one of the main-ish road right down the street here in northern Batimore.
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brother-joseph posted:Not to totally derail your post and prove how new to roguelikes I am, but what tiles are those and where do I get them??? I can't seem to Google them, but I would get back into ADOM if it looked that awesome. http://www.ancardia.com/download.html - you want the one WITH noteye integration. there's supposed to be a major new release due soon, but who knows if it'll actually be public right away.
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Thanks guys, I'll definitely be downloading this tonight. ADOM was my first real roguelike but I've gotten so spoiled I can't play ASCII anymore.
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andrew smash posted:Why New England? Admittedly I'm not from new England so I might be missing something but Bethesda Susa made me think Maryland which is definitely not New England. ...shhhhh, that's what I meant. I'm just bad at geography.  (ETA: Also I'm from the South, so everything north of Tennessee is New England.) packetmantis fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Feb 21, 2014 |
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brother-joseph posted:Thanks guys, I'll definitely be downloading this tonight. ADOM was my first real roguelike but I've gotten so spoiled I can't play ASCII anymore. *cough* Well there's always this little game here: http://www.dungeonmans.com/?page_id=290 Preview version remains on the free and you can crush monsters all day. AND I could really use the feedback, the more players the better!
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andrew smash posted:Why New England? Admittedly I'm not from new England so I might be missing something but Bethesda Susa made me think Maryland which is definitely not New England. Yeah, it was Joppa and Bethesda being ingame that made me think it was Maryland. Until Unormal disabused me of that notion a few pages back, of course. e: Also, since virtually all of my time spent on Joppa Rd is traveling to/from an awesome restaurant for Peruvian chicken, I get incredibly hungry most times I play CoQ. Sumac fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Feb 21, 2014 |
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MacGyvers_Mullet posted:Yeah, it was Joppa and Bethesda being ingame that made me think it was Maryland. Until Unormal disabused me of that notion a few pages back, of course. Is it Pollo Grande near Loch Raven? I walk there for lunch sometimes.
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madjackmcmad posted:Is it Pollo Grande near Loch Raven? I walk there for lunch sometimes. Yup! I go there once or twice a week.
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MacGyvers_Mullet posted:Yeah, it was Joppa and Bethesda being ingame that made me think it was Maryland. Until Unormal disabused me of that notion a few pages back, of course. Yeah but hand of luke kind of said the opposite so it could go either way.
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