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There is a lot of precedent for dragons killing dragons, correct? I'm pretty sure I read that's how some of them went down. So if Drogon is the obvious 'dominant' dragon and Dany is unable to control him, he could totally eat his brothers. Unless one of them's a sister, in which case he might just mate with it. That's the other problem I have with Dany's succession. She's not going to produce an heir (?) and she has three apparently male dragons who can't lay eggs so that dynasty is hosed unless she magically comes out of Asshai with a lady dragon and the ability to bear a living child. I've been really getting into the good, well developed fan theories lately (R+L=J, Southron Ambitions, Varys Targ, etc) and I'm curious to know if anyone has come up with a way around the lack of heirs/dragons for Dany's line.
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pigdog posted:I was just watching a random video and you know who the best Victarion would be? Vinnie loving Jones. He'd be way too likable as Victarion. That character is supposed to be a loving hard rear end, hard as nails, head butt you as he's dying type of guy. Look at how Jones was used in Lock Stock and Snatch. Cool, calm, collected. Walks softly but carries a big stick. Victarion is all about growling and looking menacing while killing people brutally. Vinnie would have to be Bron, and Bron's already taken by an awesome actor.
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Feb 28, 2014 16:27
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Captain Foxy posted:There is a lot of precedent for dragons killing dragons, correct? I'm pretty sure I read that's how some of them went down. So if Drogon is the obvious 'dominant' dragon and Dany is unable to control him, he could totally eat his brothers. Unless one of them's a sister, in which case he might just mate with it. She was apparently having her periods in that last Dance chapter, so heirs aren't completely off the table.
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Feb 28, 2014 16:43
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Doltos posted:He'd be way too likable as Victarion. That character is supposed to be a loving hard rear end, hard as nails, head butt you as he's dying type of guy. Look at how Jones was used in Lock Stock and Snatch. Cool, calm, collected. Walks softly but carries a big stick. Victarion is all about growling and looking menacing while killing people brutally.
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Feb 28, 2014 16:43
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Andrew Verse posted:She was apparently having her periods in that last Dance chapter, so heirs aren't completely off the table. I don't remember that, I'm gonna have to re-re-read. After a certain point with the poo poo scenes I think I just filed all bodily functions under that heading. But if she's a ~woman~ again then can we assume all of Mirri Maz Duur's prohesy is now in question?
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Feb 28, 2014 17:01
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Captain Foxy posted:I don't remember that, I'm gonna have to re-re-read. After a certain point with the poo poo scenes I think I just filed all bodily functions under that heading. But if she's a ~woman~ again then can we assume all of Mirri Maz Duur's prohesy is now in question? Well, it wasn't really a prophecy in the first place. Dany asks her when will Drogo be as he was, and Mirri basically says "when cows fly". Also, she's not a doctor, her declarations about Dany being unable to get pregnant are suspect at best.
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Feb 28, 2014 17:08
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Andrew Verse posted:She was apparently having her periods in that last Dance chapter, so heirs aren't completely off the table. Was she really? I remember there being some blood involved, but I thought she was potentially infected with the bloody flux/pale mare.
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Feb 28, 2014 17:09
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It has been said a few times that dragons don't have genders, so Dany's dragons could in theory make more. How dragon reproduction actually works I don't think we've heard about.
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Feb 28, 2014 17:10
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Drogon is gonna make his own babies.
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Lovechop posted:Gotcha. Let's go Danny Dyer instead. Sorry, we've already casted Ray Stevenson for that role. 
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Feb 28, 2014 17:15
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Doltos posted:He'd be way too likable as Victarion. That character is supposed to be a loving hard rear end, hard as nails, head butt you as he's dying type of guy. Look at how Jones was used in Lock Stock and Snatch. Cool, calm, collected. Walks softly but carries a big stick. Victarion is all about growling and looking menacing while killing people brutally. Vinnie would have to be Bron, and Bron's already taken by an awesome actor. Vinnie Jones was slid tackled a child in a pre-match warm up. I think he's hard enough 
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Feb 28, 2014 17:19
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Andrew Verse posted:Well, it wasn't really a prophecy in the first place. Dany asks her when will Drogo be as he was, and Mirri basically says "when cows fly". Also, she's not a doctor, her declarations about Dany being unable to get pregnant are suspect at best. Well the thing is he's writing a novel and you don't put things into a novel for no reason. Mirri's prophecy is undoubtedly a plot device that won't be explained away as 'she was full of poo poo'.
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Xenoborg posted:It has been said a few times that dragons don't have genders, so Dany's dragons could in theory make more. How dragon reproduction actually works I don't think we've heard about. They certainly seem to be effected even more strongly by the effects of inbreeding than the Targaryens themselves. Recall that the last dragon was the size of a chihuahua or something.
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Feb 28, 2014 17:40
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loquacius posted:They certainly seem to be effected even more strongly by the effects of inbreeding than the Targaryens themselves. Recall that the last dragon was the size of a chihuahua or something. Wasn't that because the Maesters were poisoning them?
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Feb 28, 2014 17:42
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Doltos posted:Well the thing is he's writing a novel and you don't put things into a novel for no reason. Mirri's prophecy is undoubtedly a plot device that won't be explained away as 'she was full of poo poo'. Nothing official has framed it as a prophecy, though.
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Feb 28, 2014 20:10
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It was not a prophecy, she was counting four impossible things that are supposedly as likely to happen as Khal Drogo coming out of his coma and becoming his old self again. There are people who consider three of these statements to be allegorical and to have already come to fruition, which means that Dany might not be barren.quote:"When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east," said Mirri Maz Duur. "When the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves. When your womb quickens again, and you bear a living child. Then he will return, and not before." I don't really know if I agree with those views myself, I don't consider the end of ADWD to really be conclusive evidence either way.
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Feb 28, 2014 20:40
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How hilarious would it be for that to have been an actual prophecy, and for Drogo to actually somehow come back? Wait, I think I know who Coldhands is 
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Feb 28, 2014 20:42
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Drogo's gonna be confused as poo poo if he ever comes back. "Wait my wife... you're talking about that pre-pubescent 12 year old I married? She has dragons now? ... You're talking about the right person, right?"
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Feb 28, 2014 20:47
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what's the sea going dry again?
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Feb 28, 2014 20:48
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emanresu tnuocca posted:It was not a prophecy, she was counting four impossible things that are supposedly as likely to happen as Khal Drogo coming out of his coma and becoming his old self again. There are people who consider three of these statements to be allegorical and to have already come to fruition, which means that Dany might not be barren. Wait, what? How have any of those things happened in any way? I'm pretty sure she was just saying 'never' in the cuntiest way possible.
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Feb 28, 2014 20:48
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The sun rising and setting is Quinten Martell, The mountain is well the mountain dieing to the Rad Viper and I'm not to sure about the sea bit.
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Feb 28, 2014 20:50
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notaspy posted:The sun rising and setting is Quinten Martell, The mountain is well the mountain dieing to the Rad Viper and I'm not to sure about the sea bit. http://gameofowns.com/forum/discussion/19/dissecting-the-daenerysmirri-maz-duur-prophecy-adwd-spoilers/p1 The Dothraki sea drying up, allegedly. For what it's worth I also think Mirri was just saying 'never' but I also think that she was basing her statements both regarding Drogo's condition and Dany's barrenness on her medical knowledge rather than through some form of prescience, so she could possibly just be wrong.
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Feb 28, 2014 20:53
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Steve2911 posted:Wait, what? How have any of those things happened in any way? I'm pretty sure she was just saying 'never' in the cuntiest way possible. To be fair she did watch her entire village get slaughtered while getting raped by a bunch of dudes.
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Feb 28, 2014 20:54
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Doltos posted:To be fair she did watch her entire village get slaughtered while getting raped by a bunch of dudes. And would have no desire or inclination to be making random predictions about dickheads thousands of miles away.
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Feb 28, 2014 20:58
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Steve2911 posted:And would have no desire or inclination to be making random predictions about dickheads thousands of miles away. That's the problem with large time gaps between the books coming out. People try to dissect the story far past anything GRRM actually thought of yet.
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Maybe he hadn't thought of it at the time, but it would be a pretty good red herring or foreshadowing to have events start lining up with her remarks. And the character definitely doesn't have to intend it as anything other than a sarcastic taunt for it to serve either of those purposes. E: It's also a good reset button if he decided at some point that Dany was going become pregnant again, but someone pointed out that Mirri Maz Duur said that was impossible. mortal fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Feb 28, 2014 |
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Pretty sure it wasn't her period at the end of ADWD, it was a miscarriage. Whether that means she can ever bear a living child is still suspect, but she can get pregnant. She thought back to the last time she had her cycle and thought it had been about 3 moons. Drogo has been dead longer than that. Edit: and that link posted gets it completely wrong. I went back and checked the book, she thinks her last blood was 1,2,or 3 moons ago and has no thoughts about not having bled since being sold to Drogo. Also the term womb quickening refers to when you're able to feel the baby move for the first time so that still hasn't happened. However it does look like she may not be as barren as she thought. chellesandcheese fucked around with this message at 00:56 on Mar 1, 2014 |
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Feb 28, 2014 22:22
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Having a period doesn't necessarily mean you can get pregnant. Your body will continue it's cycle even if, say, your fallopian tubes or uterine walls or whatever are super hosed up from a traumatic miscarriage and medieval standards of medical care. Don't think Dany's having any babies even if she's having periods. This is...the worst conversation.
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I thought it was entirely possible that Dany just has a serious bowel infection.
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13Pandora13 posted:Having a period doesn't necessarily mean you can get pregnant. Your body will continue it's cycle even if, say, your fallopian tubes or uterine walls or whatever are super hosed up from a traumatic miscarriage and medieval standards of medical care. Don't think Dany's having any babies even if she's having periods. loving magic
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I would love if Khal Drogo came back, regardless of how inexplicable it would be, just to see him confront Daario.
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I just re-read that passage, and it's actually pretty clear she's miscarrying. She thinks specifically that it's been 3 months since her last period, and that her flow has never been that heavy. Whether it's caused by the berries, a curse, stress and illness, or anything else isn't clear, but yeah.
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Her miscarrying is kind of a Chekov's gun, isn't it? Why talk about her miscarrying if not to show she can get pregnant? Why show she can get pregnant if she can't carry it to term? Unless it's a red herring, or Dany has a series of miscarriages that make her go Aerys levels of insanse.
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Miscarriages(and death in general really) seem to be tied to dragon births and control in a way that has yet to be explicitly detailed, so maybe Drogon is about to become a mother/father?
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Captain Foxy posted:There is a lot of precedent for dragons killing dragons, correct? I'm pretty sure I read that's how some of them went down. So if Drogon is the obvious 'dominant' dragon and Dany is unable to control him, he could totally eat his brothers. Unless one of them's a sister, in which case he might just mate with it. In "The Princess and the Queen" there were a few green dragon vs. black dragon fights that resulted in the death of one or both dragons, but I think just as many died from arrows or an angry mob. And Dany's dragons can have kids. According to Aemon dragons are “but now one and now the other, as changeable as flame” when discussing how Dany could be the Prince that was promised. I don't know about whether or not Dany herself can have kids. Mirri Maz Duur could have just been messing with her head or she might have been serious or maybe she was convinced that that was the consequence of interrupting her blood magic while giving birth. Dany bleeding seems to point to the possibility though. Narmi fucked around with this message at 03:06 on Mar 1, 2014 |
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lifts cats over head posted:I would love if Khal Drogo came back, regardless of how inexplicable it would be, just to see him confront Daario. It would be like a telenovela. We open with Dany in Daario's arms in a bungalow with a slowly rotating ceiling fan. They giggle, and the thick humidity leaves their skin glistening wetly. The door swings open, revealing Khal Drogo in an open-front short-sleeved shirt. "Dany, mi esposa," he says, as the camera zooms in on his smiling face. "Yo Acabamos de regresar de la tumba para continuar nuestro matrimonio." But then, a tense musical sting! His eyes narrow. "Daenerys. Este hombre que sostiene en manera de un amante. ¿Quién es él?" "No, marido!" She leaps to her feet, quickly buttoning her blouse shut. "No es lo que piensas, lo juro por los Siete!" "Khal Drogo, puedo explicarlo," Daario says, his thick, bristling moustache shimmering with sweat. And gold. "¿No le gustaría por favor calmarte?" Drogo's eyes bore into Daario like a physical blow, knocking the man back onto the extremely tidy bed. "Cállate, puta."
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Ungratek posted:Vinnie Jones was slid tackled a child in a pre-match warm up. I think he's hard enough Is that photoshopped?
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mortal posted:Her miscarrying is kind of a Chekov's gun, isn't it? Why talk about her miscarrying if not to show she can get pregnant? Why show she can get pregnant if she can't carry it to term? Unless it's a red herring, or Dany has a series of miscarriages that make her go Aerys levels of insanse. I tend to agree with this, but based on what we know so far there's no proof that she can carry to term is all I was trying to say. But I think the evidence is there that she can definitely get pregnant and miscarry. I think it's likely to come up again.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:It would be like a telenovela. We open with Dany in Daario's arms in a bungalow with a slowly rotating ceiling fan. They giggle, and the thick humidity leaves their skin glistening wetly. The door swings open, revealing Khal Drogo in an open-front short-sleeved shirt.  Bravo.
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Doltos posted:Drogo's gonna be confused as poo poo if he ever comes back. Haha, this would go like one of those "Dear..." columnist letters. quote:Dear Prudence,
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