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heel JR was a worse idea than heel Michael Cole
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Mar 9, 2014 02:09
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Heel JR was a worse idea because JR is a legend that nobody really wants to boo, whereas nobody gives enough of a poo poo about Cole to care one way or the other about a Cole heel turn.
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Mar 9, 2014 02:51
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Was Heel JR the guy who built an announce table in front of King and Cole's? Because Heel JR owned. "King you wanna sit up here with the first team, or you wanna sit back there with the boy?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VbsPSnPd0I
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Mar 9, 2014 03:19
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Heel JR was a bad idea, but the worst idea was Heel Howard Finkel.
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Mar 9, 2014 03:26
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DeathChicken posted:Same reason Shane Helms became Gregory Helms. Apparently they really don't think much of their audience. Don't forget Heath Slater's nickname getting shortened to "One Man Band" because people would hear "One MAn Rock Band" and might think The Rock was coming out 
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Mar 9, 2014 03:32
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Neodoomium posted:Heel JR was a bad idea, but the worst idea was Heel Howard Finkel. I watched SummerSlam 02 recently and it featured heel Fink saying to, I think, Lillian "you've got your puppies and I've got my wiener." That may have been the most embarrassing thing I ever heard someone say. So yeah, nothing is gonna top that.
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Mar 9, 2014 03:34
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Who is the worst 'spectacle' wrestler of all time? King Kong Bundy? Giant Gonzales? Great Khali?
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Mar 9, 2014 03:35
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The most unbelievable thing about heel JR was that they tried it more than once.
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Mar 9, 2014 03:41
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Tharizdun posted:Who is the worst 'spectacle' wrestler of all time? King Kong Bundy? Giant Gonzales? Great Khali? Giant Gonzales by far. I don't know why you would consider Bundy in that list. That list should include Kurrgan and Uncle Elmer, too.
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Mar 9, 2014 03:47
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Rusty Shackelford posted:Giant Gonzales by far. I don't know why you would consider Bundy in that list. The only King Kong Bundy match I've ever seen was Wrestlemania III, and he (and that match) were real bad. He's just a paler Big Daddy V at that point.
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Mar 9, 2014 03:54
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Diabolik900 posted:The most unbelievable thing about heel JR was that they tried it more than once. Oh, it's totally believable. Vince assumes that people would agree that JR's too old and ugly and Southern to be the voice of the show, and the handsome younger guy would naturally get the crowd's sympathy. It's the age-old problem of booking a heel to be unarguably in the right. JR was right when he said he was varsity and Cole is barely qualified for JV, which makes it impossible to root for Cole.
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Mar 9, 2014 03:58
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King Kong Bundy is what the Bundys on 'Married... With Children' are named from. He appeared on the show twice (as himself and as a cousin of the family). I suffer no ill speak of any Bundy.
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Mar 9, 2014 04:00
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Not only that, despite his size King Kong Bundy is still alive, so he's definitely doing something right.
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Mar 9, 2014 04:19
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RIP John 'Earthquake' Tenta.
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Mar 9, 2014 05:13
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Shima Honnou posted:Not only that, despite his size King Kong Bundy is still alive, so he's definitely doing something right. Not only that, but when he was in King of Trios some years ago, he didn't really look or wrestle differently than he did 20 years previously, which is impressive.
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Mar 9, 2014 05:14
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Rusty Shackelford posted:Giant Gonzales by far. I don't know why you would consider Bundy in that list. Don't forget Rajah Lion!
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Mar 9, 2014 06:08
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Gaz-L posted:Oh, it's totally believable. Vince assumes that people would agree that JR's too old and ugly and Southern to be the voice of the show, and the handsome younger guy would naturally get the crowd's sympathy. It's the age-old problem of booking a heel to be unarguably in the right. JR was right when he said he was varsity and Cole is barely qualified for JV, which makes it impossible to root for Cole. Eh, according to JR, Vince likes him and considers him a friend. Vince is just utterly horrible to the people he likes.
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Mar 9, 2014 06:41
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Onmi posted:Eh, according to JR, Vince likes him and considers him a friend. Vince is just utterly horrible to the people he likes. JR is rasslin made flesh and there is at least one person (Kevin Dunn) in charge of the broadcasts who will do anything to get away from that. Hence they repeatedly humiliate him. Unfortunately he remains far and away their best commentator so they bring him in for Mania usually. JR is getting up there in years, though no more than Lawler, really. I am not sure that Michael Cole has ever helped sell a ticket or a PPV buy in his life, let alone put over anything.
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Mar 9, 2014 06:55
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:JR is rasslin made flesh and there is at least one person (Kevin Dunn) in charge of the broadcasts who will do anything to get away from that. Hence they repeatedly humiliate him. Unfortunately he remains far and away their best commentator so they bring him in for Mania usually. JR is getting up there in years, though no more than Lawler, really. Well (According to Cornette) Johnny Ace wanted JRs job as head of Talent Relations and Stephanie didn't like that JR argued with the creative team. And Dunn of course hates that he's working on Professional Wrestling.
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Mar 9, 2014 07:19
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:JR is rasslin made flesh and there is at least one person (Kevin Dunn) in charge of the broadcasts who will do anything to get away from that. Hence they repeatedly humiliate him. Unfortunately he remains far and away their best commentator so they bring him in for Mania usually. JR is getting up there in years, though no more than Lawler, really. Michael Cole made the best call in WWE history. Dude has talent, even if he doesn't get to show it.
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Mar 9, 2014 07:37
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Pinstripe Hourglass posted:Michael Cole made the best call in WWE history. Dude has talent, even if he doesn't get to show it. if you're referring to the Foley title win all he did was not gently caress up the moment. It's better than baseline Cole but really nothing spectacular. edit - wait, maybe you're talking about "break the drat ankle kurt" which happened while I wasn't watching but upon viewing since I thought was pretty meh too Monkeycheese fucked around with this message at 07:46 on Mar 9, 2014 |
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Mar 9, 2014 07:40
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Even Foley has said he wished JR had called that moment.
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Mar 9, 2014 07:45
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I like Cole and I think he's capable of being a good play-by-play. the big problem is that he's basically told exactly what to say most of the time. if the commentator's aren't talking about the match going on, it's because Vince is telling them not. if they're making fun of Christian's appearance, same reason. I feel like the commentary as a whole would be a lot better if they were allowed to do their jobs without interference more often.
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Mar 9, 2014 07:53
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Cardboard Box posted:I like Cole and I think he's capable of being a good play-by-play. the big problem is that he's basically told exactly what to say most of the time. if the commentator's aren't talking about the match going on, it's because Vince is telling them not. if they're making fun of Christian's appearance, same reason. I feel like the commentary as a whole would be a lot better if they were allowed to do their jobs without interference more often. Probably one of the reasons Vince liked to screw with JR was because JR didn't pay much attention to him when he'd be in his ear.
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Mar 9, 2014 07:59
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Cardboard Box posted:I like Cole and I think he's capable of being a good play-by-play. the big problem is that he's basically told exactly what to say most of the time. if the commentator's aren't talking about the match going on, it's because Vince is telling them not. if they're making fun of Christian's appearance, same reason. I feel like the commentary as a whole would be a lot better if they were allowed to do their jobs without interference more often. But where would Jerry Lawler be without the elite writing team of Vincent Kennedy McMahon?
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Mar 9, 2014 08:11
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Cardboard Box posted:I like Cole and I think he's capable of being a good play-by-play. the big problem is that he's basically told exactly what to say most of the time. if the commentator's aren't talking about the match going on, it's because Vince is telling them not. if they're making fun of Christian's appearance, same reason. I feel like the commentary as a whole would be a lot better if they were allowed to do their jobs without interference more often. Same here, Cole is a reliable play-by-play guy who does his job well and I never really had any complaints about him strictly calling action. The problem is he is atrocious at color commentary in that he always got a "just shut the gently caress up and call the action" response whenever he would deviate. He's lucky to have people like King/JBL as his color guy but, holy poo poo, when Vince tells him to do more color stuff it's never pretty because he's just so annoying. His infamous 2011 heel run was pretty much built on making him a character and it was just absolutely atrocious.
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Mar 9, 2014 08:24
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Luigi Thirty posted:But where would Jerry Lawler be without the elite writing team of Vincent Kennedy McMahon?
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Mar 9, 2014 08:28
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What was the match that Ryback did commentary on? I want to see if it holds up from when I didn't know Vince was on the end of a direct line.
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Mar 9, 2014 08:55
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While we're on commentators, what do people think about the current ring announcers? Personally I think Justin Roberts is awful, he doesnt really make me feel pumped up for big moments, and the way he enunciates and rolls his Rs really irritates me.
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Mar 9, 2014 09:07
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Answers Me posted:While we're on commentators, what do people think about the current ring announcers? Personally I think Justin Roberts is awful, he doesnt really make me feel pumped up for big moments, and the way he enunciates and rolls his Rs really irritates me. Justin is the best announcer they have other than the Fink. I love his delivery, particularly when he announces THE UNDERRERRRRRTAKERRRRRRR.
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Mar 9, 2014 09:48
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Tharizdun posted:Who is the worst 'spectacle' wrestler of all time? King Kong Bundy? Giant Gonzales? Great Khali? I've only seen one of his matches, but I'd bet money that no one was worse than Happy Humphrey.
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Mar 9, 2014 10:43
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Pinstripe Hourglass posted:Michael Cole made the best call in WWE history. Dude has talent, even if he doesn't get to show it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGt4TL5sJbA
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Mar 9, 2014 11:12
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John Cena posted:im sure its just a vinceism when it comes to names, but why was regal's name changed from steven to william? Speaking of Regal, is there anyone else in the business who fits a similar formula of "venerable veteran respect status + legitimate badass toughguy heel = somehow a face"? I feel like Regal works heel pretty much all the time but he's so good at it and he's paid his dues so much and earned so much respect that he's become drat near impossible to hate.
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Mar 9, 2014 11:38
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sticklefifer posted:Speaking of Regal, is there anyone else in the business who fits a similar formula of "venerable veteran respect status + legitimate badass toughguy heel = somehow a face"? I feel like Regal works heel pretty much all the time but he's so good at it and he's paid his dues so much and earned so much respect that he's become drat near impossible to hate. I'd say this happens to pretty much every long-term heel once they reach 'legend' status
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Mar 9, 2014 11:48
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sticklefifer posted:Speaking of Regal, is there anyone else in the business who fits a similar formula of "venerable veteran respect status + legitimate badass toughguy heel = somehow a face"? I feel like Regal works heel pretty much all the time but he's so good at it and he's paid his dues so much and earned so much respect that he's become drat near impossible to hate. Roddy Piper springs to mind.
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Mar 9, 2014 11:54
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Answers Me posted:While we're on commentators, what do people think about the current ring announcers? Personally I think Justin Roberts is awful, he doesnt really make me feel pumped up for big moments, and the way he enunciates and rolls his Rs really irritates me. I think Justin Roberts is good, he has a nice clear voice and I like a lot of the flourish he adds. Lillian Garcia has a nice voice but messes up a lot.
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Mar 9, 2014 12:03
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sticklefifer posted:Speaking of Regal, is there anyone else in the business who fits a similar formula of "venerable veteran respect status + legitimate badass toughguy heel = somehow a face"? I feel like Regal works heel pretty much all the time but he's so good at it and he's paid his dues so much and earned so much respect that he's become drat near impossible to hate. VogeGandire posted:Roddy Piper springs to mind. Ric Flair would be another. Bob Backlund? That's a bit of a stretch, though. Yeah, that's a pretty short list.
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Mar 9, 2014 13:42
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Ghostpilot posted:Ric Flair would be another. Bob Backlund? That's a bit of a stretch, though. Yeah, that's a pretty short list. Terry Funk and, at this point, Harley Race fit that mold, especially for the tough guy badass part. Backlund fits too, but only because he's so lovably insane.
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Mar 9, 2014 15:45
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Top 5 calls in WWE History: 5. 'The dog poop! The dog poop! The dog poop!' 4. 'Tazz, you hate the solar system.' 'Can't stand the solar system.' 3. 'I'm bi a lot of things, but lingual isn't one of them. 2. 'By gawd! These push-ups! THESE INTIMIDATING PUSH-UPS BY THE BIG BAD BOOTY DADDY!' 1. 'My dear sweet grandmother used to sit me on her knee, and with her gin soddened breath say to me: 'William, you were born to hang.'
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Mar 9, 2014 16:21
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projecthalaxy posted:Not only that, but when he was in King of Trios some years ago, he didn't really look or wrestle differently than he did 20 years previously, which is impressive. While Bundy still looks pretty good for his age, he never did Chikara. Are you thinking of One Man Gang? If so, that guy looked terrible and old, like the big, creepy, old dude from Ren and Stimpy. After Gonzalez, the worst spectacle wrestler would probably be Zeus.
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