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Locker Room Zubaz posted:Welp just finished WoR yesterday and was really happy with how good it was, I didn't really love the first book but this really had a whole lot of story and a lot of characters becoming even more awesome. My only fear is that Sanderson will not deal with power creep well and Kaladin will be super powered like Vin was in Mistborn. We don't know, yet - We know pretty much poo poo all about Voidbinding and Old Magic, I'm pretty sure we've only seen the tip of the iceberg with the Fabrial magic system, and the surges we haven't seen haven't been spoiled by Sanderson in any real detail as far as I know. He seems to like to keep most of the underlying rules of a magic system secret until they are revealed in the book or until the book series is over, in which case he will explain some of the 'behind the scenes' details. A lot of the rules will be involved in plot twists, so keeping them under wraps is to his advantage to keep people on their toes.
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If these cosmere tie-ins are anything more substantial than easter eggs for fans it's not going to do the series any favors. Minor characters being from other novels? Fine. Minor allusions to magic systems from his other novels? Fine. More than that I think would be detrimental. I finished WoR last night and I enjoyed it a great deal, I thought it was paced better than TWOK with the plot twists and major clashes. Not concerned about it getting too bloated at all with the different factions as long as it keeps to the limited number of viewpoint characters to keep the story moving forward. Locker Room Zubaz posted:Wait... There is a link between Mistborn and Stormlight? King's Wit/Hoid was a minor character in the Mistborn series, it's the same person in the Stormlight books, Sanderson's novels are all part of the same universe called "The Cosmere," whatever. Easter eggs that hopefully stay that way. There's more but blegh. BLEGH.
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Locker Room Zubaz posted:Wait... There is a link between Mistborn and Stormlight? There's a link between everything. Almost.
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Wolpertinger posted:We don't know, yet - We know pretty much poo poo all about Voidbinding and Old Magic, I'm pretty sure we've only seen the tip of the iceberg with the Fabrial magic system, and the surges we haven't seen haven't been spoiled by Sanderson in any real detail as far as I know. He seems to like to keep most of the underlying rules of a magic system secret until they are revealed in the book or until the book series is over, in which case he will explain some of the 'behind the scenes' details. A lot of the rules will be involved in plot twists, so keeping them under wraps is to his advantage to keep people on their toes. Yeah that's what I figured, kind of like Hemalurgy wasn't really revealed until book 3 of Mistborn, but we knew it existed before hand. I just wasn't sure if I missed something in the little chapter lead ins that revealed some deeper meaning of surgebinding. I really really loved this book though and it feels like Sanderson has come really far as a writer from the Mistborn trilogy.
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Mar 11, 2014 22:43
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Shallan's flashbacks were loving devastating. Especially the first one after Ch 7, and then especially how the last one echoed the first. I think Kaladin's flashbacks in the first book only hit that mark maybe 1/3 of the time (and were incredibly tedious the rest).
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Mar 11, 2014 22:48
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Sanderson has said that the Cosmere cross-over stuff will remain simple references and Easter eggs until the third trilogy of Mistborn, where they'll use allomancy for FTL travel or something. But that's way down the road.
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Mar 11, 2014 22:50
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I hate my memory. I didn't remember who Sadeas was from book 1 so I googled and stumbled upon massive spoiler. Thanks coppermind.
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api call girl posted:Shallan's flashbacks were loving devastating. Especially the first one after Ch 7, and then especially how the last one echoed the first. I think Kaladin's flashbacks in the first book only hit that mark maybe 1/3 of the time (and were incredibly tedious the rest). My issue with the first book was Kaladin was just a brooding loser the entire book and Shallan seemed like a spoiled girl trying to solve some problem that I didn't really care about. This book made Shallan an awesome character and made Kaladin even more of a brooding loser.
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Wolpertinger posted:If there was ever a shard you could trust not to gently caress with you, it'd probably the the one called 'Harmony'. Then again, the cosmic personification of harmony probably becomes compelled to stamp out people who want to cause enough chaos and disorder to upend any harmony or balance, so who knows. However Odium is probably pretty much the closest you can get to the opposite of Harmony and is one of the most, or the most, powerful shard, so aiding anyone opposing him is probably something Harmony would feel obliged to do, even if it wasn't Sazed. I wouldn't be surprised if Harmony gave Hoid a couple of 'gifts'. It could be how he became a Feruchemist - the quintessential Harmony magic. Helping Hoid, the enemy of Odium, become uber-powerful helps balance out the conflict. I'm pretty sure he had feruchemy before mistborn, since that's what Hoid's been using to figure out where to go in the earlier books as well. Also, member of the worldsingers, and the ancient terris guys were the worldBringers? Gotta be a connection there
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Mar 11, 2014 22:53
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Locker Room Zubaz posted:My issue with the first book was Kaladin was just a brooding loser the entire book and Shallan seemed like a spoiled girl trying to solve some problem that I didn't really care about. This book made Shallan an awesome character and made Kaladin even more of a brooding loser. At least everyone was calling him out on it. Even Dalinar, who is a total killjoy by nature, told him to stop being a dick all the time.
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Mar 11, 2014 22:55
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Only thing I can see about Sanderson saying the cosmere stuff is going to be minor easter eggs etc - how does that effect (end of book)nightblood
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Mar 11, 2014 22:59
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Xemloth posted:Only thing I can see about Sanderson saying the cosmere stuff is going to be minor easter eggs etc - how does that effect (end of book)nightblood It probably doesn't affect the story itself. Nightblood generally already behaves much like a Roshar Shardblade, only substituting Breath for Stormlight, though I suppose as forms of Investiture they're mostly the same to begin with. Point is, Szeth wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
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Mar 11, 2014 23:04
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api call girl posted:It probably doesn't affect the story itself. Nightblood generally already behaves much like a Roshar Shardblade, only substituting Breath for Stormlight, though I suppose as forms of Investiture they're mostly the same to begin with. Point is, Szeth wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Szeth's already noted that Nightblood's not your typical Shardblade. And that's before it started talking.
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Mar 11, 2014 23:08
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cap601 posted:Szeth's already noted that Nightblood's not your typical Shardblade. And that's before it started talking. *handwaves* it'll still pretty much cut stone, eat/burn souls, probably get powered off Stormlight which won't be a problem if Szeth is a Surgebinder now without the need of an Honorblade ... it just won't vanish and resummon like one. *handwaves* also what's kind of interesting is "live" Shardblades, being spren, do talk
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Mar 11, 2014 23:12
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Tunicate posted:I'm pretty sure he had feruchemy before mistborn, since that's what Hoid's been using to figure out where to go in the earlier books as well. I'm waiting for the worldDingers, an ancient order of baseball players
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Mar 11, 2014 23:18
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Also, here's a version of that chart from the first book endpages with annotations for heralds and orders and surges and stuff.
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Mar 11, 2014 23:25
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You don't get your own stormplate until you go Super Saiyan, obviously. I mean, the Shattered Plains are basically just the spot where Goku changed for the first time in the dawn ages, right?
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This wiki page has great info on the various orders of Knights Radiant and their abilities - http://stormlightarchive.wikia.com/wiki/Knights_Radiant EDIT: Don't read it if you haven't finished WoR like I did. It has end-of-book spoilers, like the known members of the Orders. EDIT2: Non-spoiler explanation: The idea is that there are 10 Orders of Knights Radiant, and 10 corresponding 'Surges' (powers, basically). Each order has the ability to access 2 of the surges, and they share 1 of them with another order. Thus, each Order of Knights has a combination of two special powers and has its own clever name like 'Windrunners' or 'Stonewards'. The diagram above visually shows each Order and which Surges they have access to. All orders get their powers the same way (sucking up stormlight). syphon fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Mar 12, 2014 |
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api call girl posted:*handwaves* it'll still pretty much cut stone, eat/burn souls, probably get powered off Stormlight which won't be a problem if Szeth is a Surgebinder now without the need of an Honorblade ... it just won't vanish and resummon like one. *handwaves* Most shardblades aren't created with the single command 'DESTROY EVIL', though
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Mar 11, 2014 23:50
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Just finished Words of radiance. Holy poo poo.
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Lobsterpillar posted:Most shardblades aren't created with the single command 'DESTROY EVIL', though Also most shardblades aren't as metal as a sword that need to kill to live. 
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Anyone else thought that There were way too many "He/She/It "died", but is actually alive? This is making me believe that Highprince Sadeas will return in book 3. All and all, not the best Sandersons book, but improvement over the Way of Kings.
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I thought that as well. The return to life reveals really stole some thunder from the book in my eyes.
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Mar 12, 2014 01:51
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So, Dalinar gets tension and adhesion... I could see those being useful.
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Locker Room Zubaz posted:Wait... There is a link between Mistborn and Stormlight? Here's most of the crossover stuff I'm aware of. Elantris, Warbreaker, Emperor's Soul, Mistborn, Stormlight, Alloy of Law - are all in the same universe. Odium is not, in fact, native to Roshar and came in and ruined things after Honor and Cultivation and possibly? a forgotten third god created that world. Odium is the reason that Elantris broke, and apparently killed one or both of the gods in the Elantris world, which is why it was such a shitheap. Ruin, Preservation, Devotion (the god that gives the Elantris people their magic), Endowment (the god that gives Breath to people in the Warbreaker world), Odium, Honor, and Cultivation are all part of the same 'pantheon', and are in fact all people like Sazed that inherited godliness somehow and ended up creating a bunch of worlds. There's apparently 16 'shards' overall, which are all fragments of a supreme god that died - this is part of why Ruin and Preservation formed into a greater whole, since they were supposed to be together from the start. Vasher from Warbreaker is Zahel. Hoid is Wit, and has also been in every single cosmere book, usually being some almost unnoticed extra or side character observing the main characters. Hoid stole the second to last bead of Lerasium just before the finale in Well of Ascension. Hoid also recently acquired perfect pitch, which shows that he's got a bunch of Breath in him, too. Sanderson mentioned at some point that Hoid was a feruchemist as well. In one of the interludes from Way of Kings, at least one character from Elantris was spotted, searching for Hoid. In the little letter snippets in Way of Kings, it's implied that Hoid is writing it to someone else also on Roshar, and it mentions how Ati wasn't that bad of a guy before he took up a shard. (Ruin was named Ati when he was human - Atium. Preseveration was Leras - Lerasium). There's probably more that I've missed. Odium is probably one of the major villains of the entire overarching plot, considering he actively seeks out and destroys other shards on other worlds, leaving ruined worlds in his wake. Apparently, some/all of the origin stories of this pantheon + hoid will be explained in a future Dragonsteel series. They're all apparently from the 'original' world created by the original god.
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adhuin posted:Anyone else thought that There were way too many "He/She/It "died", but is actually alive?
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Democratic Pirate posted:I don't think so. In all of the other examples, the characters either escaped 'death' via magic or got magicked back to life by a 4500 year old semi-crazy god-tier character right after getting killed. Sadeas got stabbed in the brain and left for dead for hours if not days. I think his death advances the plot more than his life does. I'm 100% sure he's permanently dead for real.
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adhuin posted:Anyone else thought that There were way too many "He/She/It "died", but is actually alive? I felt this way until Wit ends up talking to Jasnah and saying there's things he needs to talk to her about. I also felt like she was too awesome to go down like a punk which isn't a deal breaker, i'm just glad she's not gone yet. The fact that she knows things Hoid doesn't is awesome. Secondly I was really annoyed with Szeth until he's presented with Nightblood in which case things just got a whole lot more metal. He also makes a good antagonist I also think this is his best book to date. Emperor's Soul is 100% awesome, this is like 90% awesome, but given the difference in length and scope I'm willing to give the award to WoR
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Wolpertinger posted:Here's most of the crossover stuff I'm aware of. So Hoid/Wit basically has access to at least two sets of magic systems, breath and feruchemy. At any point, he could also turn himself into a mistborn by eating up the bead of lerasium he's been keeping for a rainy day. Plus he might even have Taln's honorblade!
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enigma74 posted:So Hoid/Wit basically has access to at least two sets of magic systems, breath and feruchemy. At any point, he could also turn himself into a mistborn by eating up the bead of lerasium he's been keeping for a rainy day. Plus he might even have Taln's honorblade! Holy poo poo, it's like Hoid is treating magic systems like they are Pokemon.
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Hopeford posted:Holy poo poo, it's like Hoid is treating magic systems like they are Pokemon. And hopefully not being controlled by twitch...
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Hopeford posted:Holy poo poo, it's like Hoid is treating magic systems like they are Pokemon. The logical conclusion is that he's collecting the powers of each shard in order to use them to stop Odium and/or reunite the shards.
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Lawlicaust posted:The logical conclusion is that he's collecting the powers of each shard in order to use them to stop Odium and/or reunite the shards. Dragon Steel is basically just going to be a retelling of Mistborn, except its Hoid leading a gang of people from around the Cosmere in overthrowing Odium.
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adhuin posted:Anyone else thought that There were way too many "He/She/It "died", but is actually alive? There is no way. After all, Nalan went out of his way to say that brain damage is something that can't be repaired, and Adolin went out of his way to stab Sadeas though the brain. End of book: Anyone think Kaladin will use the Honorblade to heal Hobber?
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enigma74 posted:So Hoid/Wit basically has access to at least two sets of magic systems, breath and feruchemy. At any point, he could also turn himself into a mistborn by eating up the bead of lerasium he's been keeping for a rainy day. Plus he might even have Taln's honorblade! Plus, he has at LEAST one more than that - none of the books we've seen are where he was born, which means he has at least one more of some sort of magic that allows world-hopping - and who knows what else it could do - apparently several of the systems we've seen so far are capable of allowing worldhopping. Shallan/Jasnah seem to be the closest, as apparently Hoid worldhops by travelling through Shadesmar somehow, and apparently the Elantris dudes managed to enter Shadesmar at one point as well, but it was apparently 'extremely difficult' for them to figure out as worldhopping was a big of a square peg to the round hole of Elantris magic (I'm guessing due to the fact that you have to be near the actual city for the magic to function?). Allomancy will apparently manage to get FTL travel by abusing the hell out of physics loopholes opened up by Allomancy, which would allow them to reach other worlds, as they're all in the same physical universe, too - this will apparently happen in a distant Mistborn trilogy, as things get more 'modern' and then eventually sci-fi. Another thing I forgot about, one that's briefly mentioned in Way of Kings - the Elantrians are apparently part of some sort of worldhopping organization called the 'seventeenth shard' that is looking for Hoid but isn't working with him, (but not necessarily against him?). This organization has a member who is the one that writes the Ars Arcanum at the end of every single sanderson cosmere book, and explains why it gets more detailed as the books go on - they're 'researching' the magic of that world and discovering the specifics as the series goes on. It's apparently always the same person who writes it, too. Wolpertinger fucked around with this message at 05:15 on Mar 12, 2014 |
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Have we gotten hints on who's the ultimate bad guy in the Cosmere? Ruin was Mistborn's bad guy. Odium is Stormlight's. I imagine the fabled Dragonsteel is going to have an enemy so powerful they'll need a veritable Justice League of the Cosmere.
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Superstring posted:Have we gotten hints on who's the ultimate bad guy in the Cosmere? Ruin was Mistborn's bad guy. Odium is Stormlight's. I imagine the fabled Dragonsteel is going to have an enemy so powerful they'll need a veritable Justice League of the Cosmere. I dunno - Odium MIGHT be the one, but I doubt he's going to be the final big bad - but who knows? He's traveled to several worlds, and murdered several gods, which as far as I know makes him unique - and it's implied that he was a psychopath even before he became a god, so he could fit!
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Wolpertinger posted:Here's most of the crossover stuff I'm aware of. Well, holy poo poo, I didn't catch that perfect pitch thing either even though it stood out as something that was from another Sanderson story. drat, drat, drat, I also couldn't figure out why the black seething sword was familiar. drat
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Just chiming in to say WoR was excellent and Pattern is my new favorite story character.
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Wolpertinger posted:I dunno - Odium MIGHT be the one, but I doubt he's going to be the final big bad - but who knows? He's traveled to several worlds, and murdered several gods, which as far as I know makes him unique - and it's implied that he was a psychopath even before he became a god, so he could fit! From the chapter headers I got the impression that the other shards(?) have Odium trapped on Roshar and are willing to write the world off as long as he remains imprisoned. It's my thinking Odium will get taken care of within the span of Stormlight Archive and the ultimate evil will eventually be taken care of in Dragonsteel.
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