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Rexides posted:Do you and your brother go on to have amazing adventures and do fulfilling activities together when not watching Community? If not, then just watch season 4, it's not such a huge deal, seriously. In other words "Your time has no value. Your life, no meaning. You're just like us: sitting around, waiting to die. Might as well watch season 4." Edit: Its pretty telling that the two biggest reasons people can come up with to watch season 4 are existential boredom and perceived obligation. Not "its funny" or "its good," just "what else you gonna do?" Irish Joe fucked around with this message at 14:05 on Mar 20, 2014 |
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Irish Joe posted:In other words "Your time has no value. Your life, no meaning. You're just like us: sitting around, waiting to die. Might as well watch season 4."  It applies equally well to all other seasons. It's a passive activity, if you sit down to watch three seasons of a show and you also plan to watch the fifth anyway, I honestly don't see why you would even bother to weight the opportunity costs of watching/not watching it against whatever it is that you could do with your time instead.
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Mar 20, 2014 14:44
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Skip the puppet episode, it's the worst one ever.
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Mar 20, 2014 14:59
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Irish Joe posted:Edit: Its pretty telling that the two biggest reasons people can come up with to watch season 4 are existential boredom and perceived obligation. Not "its funny" or "its good," just "what else you gonna do?" If it helps, the biggest argument for me in favor of watching is your vehement hatred of it.
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Mar 20, 2014 15:01
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ladyboy pancake posted:Hi thread, I've been introducing my younger brother to Community over the last couple months, and we just finished season three together. The plan was we would skip most of season 4 with the exception of of the good ones that this thread has mentioned, but my brother is completely in love with Troy and isn't ready to see him go in season five. To be honest, I'd like to see him (and Pierce) for a little bit longer too. My question is, how much of season four is just ho-hum compared to absolutely terrible? If we were to watch most of the season, are there any episodes we should avoid like the plague? I absolutely hated “Alternative History Of The German Invasion” and “Advanced Introduction To Finality”. ALHotGI is just boring, unfunny, and completely missable; it's the only episode of Community I'd call a chore to watch. AItF is a terrible mess, but you'll probably want to watch it since Season 5 directly follows up on that episode's ending.
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Mar 20, 2014 15:32
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The Action Man posted:I absolutely hated “Alternative History Of The German Invasion” and “Advanced Introduction To Finality”. ALHotGI is just boring, unfunny, and completely missable; it's the only episode of Community I'd call a chore to watch. AItF is a terrible mess, but you'll probably want to watch it since Season 5 directly follows up on that episode's ending. The Germans episodes has what Harmon and I agree is the best joke ever, "Hogan's Villains", so maybe that's worth something? And watch the Freaky Friday episode, it owns.
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Mar 20, 2014 15:56
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DoctorWhat posted:The Germans episodes has what Harmon and I agree is the best joke ever, "Hogan's Villains", so maybe that's worth something? That is a good joke, but it's stranded in what I'd argue is the worst episode of the show. I also vote for the Freaky Friday episode.
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Mar 20, 2014 16:09
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Irish Joe posted:In other words "Your time has no value. Your life, no meaning. You're just like us: sitting around, waiting to die. Might as well watch season 4." You are a literal insane person. It is not like the options are "See the world" or "watch Community Season 4" and you can only pick one. If they are invested in the characters it is a few more hours and its not destroying a significant chunk of their life to watch it. ladyboy pancake, if you have already gone through 70 episodes, it really won't hurt to watch the 13 in season 4, maybe skipping "Intro to Felt Surrogacy". I would also skip "Conventions of Space and Time' but that has some heavy Troy/Abed stuff so if your brother likes Troy you might want to watch it. Just warn him about the show runner change and that stuff does feel different.
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Mar 20, 2014 16:12
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I invest in stocks. You invest in fictional characters. And I'm the crazy one. Guy A. Person posted:ladyboy pancake, if you have already gone through 70 episodes, it really won't hurt to watch the 13 in season 4, maybe skipping "Intro to Felt Surrogacy". I would also skip "Conventions of Space and Time' but that has some heavy Troy/Abed stuff so if your brother likes Troy you might want to watch it. Just warn him about the show runner change and that stuff does feel different. Agreed, it won't physically hurt you to watch season 4. I know lack of pain seems like stupid reason to spend 4 and a half hours watching a show you won't like, but who am I to go against the consensus that anything less painful than Chinese water torture is worth spending your time and money doing 
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Mar 20, 2014 16:19
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As someone who hated most of the episodes as they aired, going back and rewatching them was actually mostly enjoyable. There are more than a couple scenes/jokes that still make me cringe, but in the context of the series as a whole it works. There are a couple great episodes and a couple bad ones, but most of the episodes are par for the course compared to the first 3 seasons.
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Mar 20, 2014 16:26
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Tell you what, I'm going to put my money where my mouth is. I will buy the first person to come up with a reason to watch the entirety of Community season 4 that isn't behavioral or equivocal an avatar. No "at least its not," "you already watched" or "what else you gonna do" bullshit. Sell the season--the ENTIRE season--on its own merits or GTFO. Thank you.
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Mar 20, 2014 16:31
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Irish Joe posted:Tell you what, I'm going to put my money where my mouth is. I will buy the first person to come up with a reason to watch the entirety of Community season 4 that isn't behavioral or equivocal an avatar. No "at least its not," "you already watched" or "what else you gonna do" bullshit. Sell the season--the ENTIRE season--on its own merits or GTFO. It's not as good as the rest of the series, but even still, it's way better than anything like 2 Broke Girls or The Big Bang Theory. For any other show it would be a solid season. Reports of its terribleness have been greatly exaggerated.
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Mar 20, 2014 16:34
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computer parts posted:What were the major episodes of Season 2 because other than the weird Chang emperor arc all of the episodes felt that they would've belonged somewhere in the past three seasons. Preeeetty sure the Chang as dictator-thing was already season 3. Paradigms of Human Memory Critical Film Studies Cooperative Calligraphy Epidemiology A Fistful of Paintballs/For a Few Paintballs More Conspiracy Theories and Interior Design Advanced Dungeons and Dragons
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Mar 20, 2014 16:39
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Coffee And Pie posted:For any other show it would be a solid season. This is so far from true. Even at its best Community wasn't leagues ahead of its competition. Except the Jack Black episode.
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Mar 20, 2014 16:43
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Irish Joe posted:I invest in stocks. You invest in fictional characters. Quick everybody bow! This man invests in stocks! Edit: You are a loving man child. Make your own decisions. Either watch it or don't.
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Mar 20, 2014 16:44
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Irish Joe posted:I invest in stocks. You invest in fictional characters.  "I have a better job and life than you, you are all idiots"*spends an hour getting worked up and posting about a TV show in the middle of the day on a Thursday* Calm the gently caress down dude.
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Mar 20, 2014 16:44
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Coffee And Pie posted:It's not as good as the rest of the series, but even still, it's way better than anything like 2 Broke Girls or The Big Bang Theory. For any other show it would be a solid season. Reports of its terribleness have been greatly exaggerated. That's all equivocation, sorry.
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Mar 20, 2014 16:48
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Emerson Cod posted:As someone who hated most of the episodes as they aired, going back and rewatching them was actually mostly enjoyable. There are more than a couple scenes/jokes that still make me cringe, but in the context of the series as a whole it works. There are a couple great episodes and a couple bad ones, but most of the episodes are par for the course compared to the first 3 seasons. Please, Don't tell me those things. Not now. Irish Joe posted:Tell you what, I'm going to put my money where my mouth is. I will buy the first person to come up with a reason to watch the entirety of Community season 4 that isn't behavioral or equivocal an avatar. No "at least its not," "you already watched" or "what else you gonna do" bullshit. Sell the season--the ENTIRE season--on its own merits or GTFO. I'll give it a shot. You should watch season 4 if you hated the direction they took with season 3 and want to be able to say "See? This is what happens when you write the show for Comic-con, tumblrites and shippers. I told you so." If you're petty and spiteful enough to actually be entertained by them cranking the worst parts of the show up to eleven and having it blow up in their faces, then you should totally watch season 4.
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sassassin posted:This is so far from true. Even at its best Community wasn't leagues ahead of its competition. The expression is streets ahead, idiot.
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Mar 20, 2014 16:52
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I'm an unemployment adjudicator. (We are sharing our jobs before we post now right?) You should watch season 4 for the exact same reasons you watch every other season. You get to see characters you like doing unexpected and funny things. Not every joke works in season 4, just like how not every joke works in the other seasons you enjoyed. Even if you were not on this forum you would notice that it is different, but not changed so fundamentally that it isn't the same show it was the year before. What do I win?
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Mar 20, 2014 17:02
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Irish Joe posted:Tell you what, I'm going to put my money where my mouth is. I will buy the first person to come up with a reason to watch the entirety of Community season 4 that isn't behavioral or equivocal an avatar. No "at least its not," "you already watched" or "what else you gonna do" bullshit. Sell the season--the ENTIRE season--on its own merits or GTFO. Hahaha what is the point of this? Since it is all opinion based you are not going to accept anything. And yes, "you enjoyed the characters, acting and writing of previous seasons by virtue of you telling us you did" should all be acceptable reasons to promote a show. How about this: Community has a fantastic cast who understand comedic timing and the nuances of their characters. There are some great guest appearances by Jason Alexander, James Brolin, and Fred Willard. Most of the writing staff remains intact and they use their knowledge of the characters to put them into funny and interesting situations. Jim Rash - who plays Dean Pelton and is an Academy Award winning writer - also contributes a script for one of the best episodes of the season. The new showrunners are not as polished as Harmon but this mostly leads to a dip in production quality and some missteps in the direction of the season. For the most part it is still on-par with or better than most sitcoms on television. -- Feel free to dismiss all of these arguments as comparisons to previous seasons/other shows or for only selling part of the season or for appealing to awards and guest stars or whatever.
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Mar 20, 2014 17:19
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Irish Joe posted:Tell you what, I'm going to put my money where my mouth is. I will buy the first person to come up with a reason to watch the entirety of Community season 4 that isn't behavioral or equivocal an avatar. No "at least its not," "you already watched" or "what else you gonna do" bullshit. Sell the season--the ENTIRE season--on its own merits or GTFO. The Gas Leak Year joke won't make sense otherwise.
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Mar 20, 2014 17:29
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Guy A. Person posted:How about this: Good enough for me.
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Mar 20, 2014 17:39
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Rexides posted:The Gas Leak Year joke won't make sense otherwise. This is the correct answer. Season 4 had some good ideas, but most (if not all) lacked in execution and focus/refinement. I'm not even a huge fan of Academy Award Winner Jim Rash's episode, sadly. The puppet episode and finale both make me cringe. Quite easily the worst episodes of them all.
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Mar 20, 2014 17:41
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Irish Joe posted:Good enough for me. Boooo, I kept my newbie avatar for 11 years. Thanks dick!
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Mar 20, 2014 17:42
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Irish Joe posted:Good enough for me. Christ, you're an rear end in a top hat.
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Mar 20, 2014 17:46
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Irish Joe posted:Good enough for me. God, what a dick.
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Mar 20, 2014 17:48
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Irish Joe posted:Good enough for me. Irish Joe, you're the best.
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Mar 20, 2014 17:50
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Irish Joe posted:I invest in Fixed that for you.
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Mar 20, 2014 17:50
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He IS an rear end in a top hat, but let's be real; in more than one light, this is hilarious.
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Mar 20, 2014 17:53
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What the hell am I supposed to do when people ask me about these dumb shows? I guess I'll be on wiki all day doing research.
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Mar 20, 2014 17:54
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Who is the guy in the avatar?
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Mar 20, 2014 17:56
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Eh, some people like it.
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ETB posted:This is the correct answer. I liked that joke mostly because of how vitriolic it was, not so much because I agreed with Dan Harmon on the quality of the last season. In fact it got even better as season 5 went on and it turned out that it's good, but not good enough to warrant that kind of response. (the puppet episode was total poo poo though and it would be the only reason that joke felt justified)
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Mu Zeta posted:Who is the guy in the avatar? Inspector Spacetime.
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Mar 20, 2014 17:57
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Irish Joe, you are amazing. Go crash the Justified thread next.
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Irish Joe posted:Tell you what, I'm going to put my money where my mouth is. I will buy the first person to come up with a reason to watch the entirety of Community season 4 that isn't behavioral or equivocal an avatar. No "at least its not," "you already watched" or "what else you gonna do" bullshit. Sell the season--the ENTIRE season--on its own merits or GTFO. Thousands of people worked hard for ten hours a day so we could watch it, we as a society need to endorse cheap tv comedy because it provides many many jobs per show. Edit: my answer wasn't a vacuous opinion, send me an avatar cert scary ghost dog fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Mar 20, 2014 |
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Irish Joe posted:Tell you what, I'm going to put my money where my mouth is. I will buy the first person to come up with a reason to watch the entirety of Community season 4 that isn't behavioral or equivocal an avatar. No "at least its not," "you already watched" or "what else you gonna do" bullshit. Sell the season--the ENTIRE season--on its own merits or GTFO. There are funny jokes in this sitcom about attractive looking people, sometimes they make jokes about pop culture with a wink and a nod that make you laugh or think.
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ETB posted:Season 4 had some good ideas, but most (if not all) lacked in execution and focus/refinement. I'm not even a huge fan of Academy Award Winner Jim Rash's episode, sadly. I'll agree with this. I thought Jim Rash's episode was worth it just for the comedic acting displayed by him, Donald and Danny, but it would have been a lot better in a season where it would have gotten a lot more polish. I don't think anyone should miss out on those portrayals though, even if it is just in a highlight reel or whatever.
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I don't know how, but they managed to make me hate the Dean and Jeff's interactions.
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