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| Golf GTI / R / R32 |
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196 | 0.02% |
| Impreza WRX / STi |
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| Elantra GT |
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1000001 | 99.92% |
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Butt Wizard posted:Off to be certified tomorrow - the tests are really thorough so we're expecting it to fail but we'll get an exhaustive list of what's wrong with it. Hopefully not much.
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InitialDave posted:So it's not a real Lancia? There's no rust anywhere so probably not.
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Mar 23, 2014 21:10
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Trambopaline posted:I am quietly dreaming of getting an Renault Megane 265 in a few years with a bit of saving. I know it's not available in the states, but what does AI think of them? I'm curious what the goon opinion of them are. Australia has a fairly good selection of hot hatches available, and most reviews rate the Megane the best dynamically. Every review also mentions, if not outright complains, about the ride firmness but every Renault worth driving has the same issue. They look just as amazing in real life as they do in picture.
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Mar 24, 2014 02:19
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Is $24,500 for an Focus ST2 comparable to the deals some of you have been getting? Local Ford deal has one as part of their clearance sale and one of my friends is ready to bite on it.
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Mar 26, 2014 23:37
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Shoot for 4K off MSRP.
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Mar 26, 2014 23:38
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skipdogg posted:Shoot for 4K off MSRP. Sticker said $28.5, so I guess good deal then. He's probably already back there buying the drat thing.
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Mar 27, 2014 00:00
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Rhyno posted:Sticker said $28.5, so I guess good deal then. He's probably already back there buying the drat thing. I picked up a new 2013 that listed for the same price, has Sony system and moonroof, for $22K. Tell him to squeeze a bit more off.
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Mar 27, 2014 03:19
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1791apparel posted:I picked up a new 2013 that listed for the same price, has Sony system and moonroof, for $22K. Tell him to squeeze a bit more off. Whoa, I will text him.
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Mar 27, 2014 03:21
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Rhyno posted:Whoa, I will text him. From what I've been seeing he should be able to knock $1K off or so. He's not getting a horrible deal at $24.5K but he might as well go for broke. Good luck!
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Mar 27, 2014 03:27
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1791apparel posted:From what I've been seeing he should be able to knock $1K off or so. He's not getting a horrible deal at $24.5K but he might as well go for broke. Good luck! I texted him, he's heading in tomorrow morning to do his best.
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Mar 27, 2014 03:29
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Rhyno posted:I texted him, he's heading in tomorrow morning to do his best. Try Truecar?
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Mar 27, 2014 03:40
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blk posted:Try Truecar? I've never used it, I will suggest it to him.
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Mar 27, 2014 03:47
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How badly am I going to get hosed when I go to buy my '15 Golf R?
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Mar 28, 2014 16:29
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1791apparel posted:I picked up a new 2013 that listed for the same price, has Sony system and moonroof, for $22K. Tell him to squeeze a bit more off.
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Mar 29, 2014 04:02
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Hey are any goons going to one of the Ford ST Octane Academy shindigs in Salt Lake City? Toying with the idea of driving down from Vancouver this summer.
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Mar 29, 2014 10:56
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smooth jazz posted:Hey are any goons going to one of the Ford ST Octane Academy shindigs in Salt Lake City? April 9/10 here. I'll give a trip report
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Mar 30, 2014 00:29
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I wasn't planning on purchasing a new car today. I only intended to compare the Fiesta ST, 500 Abarth, and FR-S. However, I took a test drive in this Fiesta, and I ended up buying it. I'll be taking some better pictures tomorrow, and I'll share them here.
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Mar 30, 2014 03:06
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Anyone heard from Bajaha lately? I'm wondering if he ever got his Veloster up and running...
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Mar 30, 2014 03:20
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Fomalhaut posted:I wasn't planning on purchasing a new car today. I only intended to compare the Fiesta ST, 500 Abarth, and FR-S. However, I took a test drive in this Fiesta, and I ended up buying it. I'll be taking some better pictures tomorrow, and I'll share them here. That looks incredible in white. Good pick man. My buddy couldn't qualify for financing so no scamming the keys to a Focus ST for me.
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Mar 30, 2014 04:46
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Fomalhaut posted:I wasn't planning on purchasing a new car today. I only intended to compare the Fiesta ST, 500 Abarth, and FR-S. However, I took a test drive in this Fiesta, and I ended up buying it. I'll be taking some better pictures tomorrow, and I'll share them here. I'm jealous of the lack of hood gap on fiestas compared to focii
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Mar 30, 2014 06:02
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Goober Peas posted:Anyone heard from Bajaha lately? I'm wondering if he ever got his Veloster up and running... Yeah, it's up and running, ish. Dealer replaced the starter and starter/ignition relays (which took over 10 days for them to do) and it seems to be starting fine now. Of course we just got a flat on the rear passenger wheel, looks like a tear in the tire bead (no damage on the wheel and the flat occurred on a nice smooth section of road, initially thought I picked up a nail but nope, not that lucky) so I'm fighting with Hyundai to get it replaced under warranty (Dealer wants $258+tax for a single Kumho Solus tire, yeah... keep dreaming.) This happened last weekend and as of today the Dealer hasn't actually put a claim through to Hyundai (went to them on Monday) so they're dragging their asses on this one. Other than that we keep having little issues that are getting annoying, fogging in the headlights and taillights, turbo badge lettering isn't lined up properly and a bit crooked on the hatch (T is crooked and the u is too far up so it doesn't quite line up with the rest of the lettering), hesitation on partial throttle at low rpms under certain conditions, a bunch of little bullshit problems. I've sent a long email to Hyundai corporate detailing all the various issues and how the dealer has been performing to remedy them. We've pretty much had a problem with it every single week since we took delivery. I'm hoping I can get them to agree to return or exchange this one for another one since the list of issues is growing and we've only driven the Veloster for 2000km. Pretty much it's going to be a long battle to get them to agree to anything of that nature so my goal is keep pushing until someone gives. I honestly think that eventually we'll amass a big enough list of problems that they'll be forced to do something. There isn't really a Lemon law in Canada, other than a process where you go through arbitration that decides your fate, so if I go that route I want to have a strong enough backing that it'll be more in my favor. Otherwise I like the idea of the Veloster, it's just we haven't been able to get to the enjoying it part... So yeah, don't buy a Hyundai guys... or maybe I just got stuck with a Lemon.
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Mar 30, 2014 06:16
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Wow that kinda sucks, you would think that's the whole point of buying new. It's a pretty hefty premium so you can hold a dealer responsible if the thing starts sucking, plus with the whole push Hyundai is making with trying to look like a reputable brand. I've recently had a bit of a debate with a friend because he felt strongly about the idea of me wanting a FF Megane RS. I accept understeer is legitimately an issue in high horsepower FF cars because you're putting so much force through the front tires with turning and accelerating. I suspect though that in 90% of road type driving conditions, even if you are hitting the back roads with downhill hairpins and all that, you wouldn't really reach the point where you are pushing traction that hard. Beyond that, even if you do, all that really translates is that you're going to be gentler on the acceleration out of the apex if the suspension/chassis stiffness being equal compared to an FR car. Am I totally crazy to think that way or does that mirror the goons' experience?
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Mar 30, 2014 06:33
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Trambopaline posted:Wow that kinda sucks, you would think that's the whole point of buying new. It's a pretty hefty premium so you can hold a dealer responsible if the thing starts sucking, plus with the whole push Hyundai is making with trying to look like a reputable brand. It highly depends on the car - so many trick diffs and e-diffs and wannabe-diffs out there now that FF is not the same across the board. I will say that I am a lot more conservative with AWD/FWD than RWD when entering a corner, and it's probably saved my life. If you forget to flick or compensate for each corner appropriately, high speed FWD corners are hair-raising.
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Mar 30, 2014 06:40
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Trambopaline posted:Am I totally crazy to think that way or does that mirror the goons' experience? This can really depend on your tires and whatever else the car is doing to compensate. Right now my A3 has a terrible set of winters on it and I can smoke the tires in a corner easily if I get the turbo going. Its really disconcerting coming from a RWD car.
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Mar 30, 2014 07:22
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I would have said that RWD should be the one you would be more cautious with, but it's just a question of whether you want to crash at the start of a corner or the end of it.
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Mar 30, 2014 07:40
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Hmm okay, that's interesting. I might have to do a fair amount of test driving to see if it suits me. I'm just trying to plot out my next purchase if i ever flog my aging E36 to death. I figured I must not be that much of a demaning driver of my car because even when I think that I'm trying to thrash the car around tight mountain roads, I haven't really reached the point where I've gotten any meaningful tire squeal out of an FR. My line of reasoning from that point was then to ask if upgrade to a newer FR, am I paying FR tax for extra performance I wouldn't actually be using?
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Mar 30, 2014 07:45
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Nidhg00670000 posted:Yes, cars have a 25% VAT. Add 37 USD in registration fees, and then (if we keep to the WRX STi) 410 USD in road tax each year. Then I pay 7.7 USD per gallon at the petrol station, of which about 65% is tax. In Finland the VAT is 24%, but on top of that we have a separate registration tax which varies from 5-50% depending on CO2 emissions. This additional tax calculated from the price of the car incl. VAT. The additional tax percentage is calculated from 52,15 – (51,95 / ( 1 + e^(0,015*(CO2[g/km] – 152) ) ) With minimum of 5% and maximum of 50%. Edit: You have nothing to complain about over there in Sweden with your low taxes and relaxed laws on modified cars. DoLittle fucked around with this message at 08:13 on Mar 30, 2014 |
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E: NM realized what was posted
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Trambopaline posted:Hmm okay, that's interesting. I might have to do a fair amount of test driving to see if it suits me. Back to figuring out how to use it, Chris Harris has a few videos covering FWD driving that might be helpful. Other than learning the driving differences I guess it's just a matter of experience and getting used to how the car responds. And maybe learning left foot braking if you don't do it already 
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Mar 30, 2014 10:08
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Yeah, I guess it depends how hard your E36 as to whether you would really notice the dynamic differences. Have you ever had any "might be an idea to get some opposite lock on right about now" moments in it?japtor posted:Back to figuring out how to use it, Chris Harris has a few videos covering FWD driving that might be helpful. Other than learning the driving differences I guess it's just a matter of experience and getting used to how the car responds. And maybe learning left foot braking if you don't do it already FWD is fun in a "grab the car by the scruff of the neck and throw it down a twisty road" way in something with a half-decent chassis, and you don't even need a "hot" hatch - if anything, there is more satisfaction in going balls-out in an underpowered car, and even a well-driven 1.2-1.4 cooking model can make itself known to "fast" cars on a country road. The various electronic nonsense they throw at cars to protect retards from themselves can get hosed, though.
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Mar 30, 2014 10:55
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 Put 800 more kilometers on the clock, via a few of the road sections they use for Targa Tasmania.
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Mar 30, 2014 11:25
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So I finally got around to taking a comparison video of the new exhaust the dealer fitted. Here's the vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjaRmfB_Lrg Apparently nobody has uploaded a video of the how the 'performance' axle-back exhaust sounds so I figured I'd do a public service and throw it up so that if there is a poor sap who's thinking of dumping ~$700 on a factory axle-back, they'd at least have an idea of what it's going to sound like.
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Mar 30, 2014 16:07
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The VW Golf turned 40 yesterday!  Over 30 million Golfs made so far. DoLittle posted:In Finland the VAT is 24%, but on top of that we have a separate registration tax which varies from 5-50% depending on CO2 emissions. This additional tax calculated from the price of the car incl. VAT. Yeah, my gfs dad is (a car nut) from Finland so I get to hear about stuff like this a lot. And my sister is married to (a car nut) from Norway so I get to hear about all the beautiful bullshit they've got there as well. And my (car nut) cousins gf is from Denmark, so I get to hear about Danish poo poo as well. The only reasonable course of action here is that y'all move to Sweden, really. But that'd require you to speak intelligible, soo... 
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Mar 30, 2014 16:26
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Bajaha posted:So yeah, don't buy a Hyundai guys... or maybe I just got stuck with a Lemon. My buddy bought an Elantra Touring when they started offering it here. We were all suitably impressed with it but it's spent more time in the shop than most new cars should. The clutch master wasn't filled because that's part of PDI and the lot boy "mechanic" had only ever seen automatics. That took two trips, first to demonstrate to them that it was dry, and second to make them fill it again because they didn't bleed it, just filled it. The headliner rattled, turns out there are a lot of wires for the cabin light, etc that are supposed to be affixed to the roof securely and weren't (no tape strip). Car was down for several weeks for that and went back again because the headliner wasn't securely fastened after they hosed with it, and fell down again when it got hot that year. Rear hatch strut went out on one side, to the extent that it actually started leaking. At least they figured out how to repair that in a single trip. I think there was something in the middle with air conditioning as well, which necessitated the purchase of tools to prove to the mechanics that it was in fact not cold. Every trip to the dealer was also accompanied with lots of attitude from the service writer and mechanics, in one instance to the extent of walking the certified mechanic through repair steps over the phone. They're now refusing to do any non-mechanical warranty service on the car as it got sideswiped and repainted (shittily) by the insurance company's favoured repair abattoir so the rattles and squeaks are just things he's going to have to live with for the remaining 7ish years of his "10 year warranty." Their dealerships have a long loving way to go. Hyundai needs to start clearing house if they want to continue putting on their big boy pants in North America. In the course of a year I went from "hell yes Hyundai is gonna cave in the Civic's rear end in a top hat" to "coulda bought like two used Civics for what he spent on this thing." It's not even my car. Seat Safety Switch fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Mar 30, 2014 |
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Mar 30, 2014 16:35
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Anecdote time? My girlfriend has put 80,000 trouble-free miles on her 2012 Optima with the turbo engine. Routine maintenance only. My sister has a 2010 with 150,000. They're not any worse reliability-wise than an equivalent Japanese model, and better than a VAG.
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Mar 30, 2014 16:53
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InitialDave posted:Yeah, I guess it depends how hard your E36 as to whether you would really notice the dynamic differences. Have you ever had any "might be an idea to get some opposite lock on right about now" moments in it? As for the electronics I think they're fine if they can be adjusted and turned off. Protect people from themselves and random hazards, but get out of the way if the driver wants that. Course that's a matter of different cars (and drivers) again. I haven't noticed the traction control on my car other than possibly saving my rear end once so I just leave it on, and worst case turning it off is just holding a button down for a few seconds.
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Mar 30, 2014 18:25
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japtor posted:Crap I keep forgetting about that. I thought (hoped) it was only in extremes to prevent more unintended acceleration incidents, like full throttle and full brake application or something. Have you experienced it yourself in anything yet? I don't think I've noticed it in my patents' recent Prius but I can't say I've driven it all that hard around corners
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Mar 30, 2014 18:40
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japtor posted:Crap I keep forgetting about that. I thought (hoped) it was only in extremes to prevent more unintended acceleration incidents, like full throttle and full brake application or something. Have you experienced it yourself in anything yet? I don't think I've noticed it in my patents' recent Prius but I can't say I've driven it all that hard around corners The ESP in my Audi can be pretty annoying in low traction situations like snow. Mainly because it's decision to fire a brake on one side or reduce the throttle is acting counter to the counter measures I'm already instinctively taking to control things. I blame the misunderstanding to years of driving FWD, AWD, and RWD cars with no electronic assistance at all. I have a bag of tricks I do to drive each type through slippery stuff but it's expecting me to just sit back and let it work. I can't not do these tricks at this point because it's instinct so me and ESP fight until I remember to turn it off.
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Mar 30, 2014 19:40
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As much as I'd like to imagine I'm hot poo poo around the backroads, I live in a part of the world with not terrible roads and never snows, though frost at times is an issue. When I drive on my own to the point of feeling like I am going around corners at a pace where I'm starting to get uncomfortable, the rear tires are just starting to lose traction and kick out a tiny bit. I mostly drive for fun and touring more than anything else, so I don't really need a daily driver since I live close to work and groceries. It feels like a crazy indulgence to buy anything FR since my options are thrashed to hell 15 year old sports coupes or cars that I can't really afford, when there are things like the Focus ST and the mazda MPS that are both affordable for me and still seem to sell a pretty fun experience. That or I might look into the toyobaru once they've been around for a couple more years and they start falling into my price bracket.
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Bajaha posted:Yeah, it's up and running, ish. Dealer replaced the starter and starter/ignition relays (which took over 10 days for them to do) and it seems to be starting fine now. Of course we just got a flat on the rear passenger wheel, looks like a tear in the tire bead (no damage on the wheel and the flat occurred on a nice smooth section of road, initially thought I picked up a nail but nope, not that lucky) so I'm fighting with Hyundai to get it replaced under warranty (Dealer wants $258+tax for a single Kumho Solus tire, yeah... keep dreaming.) This happened last weekend and as of today the Dealer hasn't actually put a claim through to Hyundai (went to them on Monday) so they're dragging their asses on this one. Other than that we keep having little issues that are getting annoying, fogging in the headlights and taillights, turbo badge lettering isn't lined up properly and a bit crooked on the hatch (T is crooked and the u is too far up so it doesn't quite line up with the rest of the lettering), hesitation on partial throttle at low rpms under certain conditions, a bunch of little bullshit problems. You might want to consider contacting CBC's Market Place. It is a shot in the dark for sure, but they have done segments on lovely dodge and Hyundai lemons in the past. Nothing is going to help you more than shining a giant loving light on them. Again, not likely you'll hear back but it is worth a shot. E: or any other kind of media out reach. Local paper, etc. People eat that poo poo up and if it catches on at all you might benefit from damage control. Math You fucked around with this message at 04:03 on Mar 31, 2014 |
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