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I can't imagine buying a desktop that was a packaged deal. Much prefer to buy everything myself and assemble it. But then Not everyone is confident in their ability to build a computer. Something that is obsolite was screwing with the IRQ and RMA's on cards with little jumpers. Wanted to have a sound blaster and a video card? Better be careful you don't drop the jumper! I'm pretty sure dedicated computer monitors are on their way out, because you can buy an HDTV with a DVI input on it pretty cheap these days.
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Or a newer video card with HDMI out. I'm using an LED TV as my monitor on my gaming PC, and a few friends of mine do this too. My TV upstairs [that's actually used as a TV] has a VGA input and I want to say DVI, but I think this is becoming less common, isn't it? e. Man, if you had told middle school me that someday I'd have a 37" flat panel as my computer monitor, I'd have freaked out. I remember a friend of mine's dad had a gigantic 20" CRT for his work PC, and that thing was awe-inspiring. And remarkably expensive if I recall, this being the mid to late 90s.
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Mar 26, 2014 06:10
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Those were cool... If I remember correctly it wasn't a projection TV, it actually had an angled phosphor screen inside a vacuum tube with the electron gun at the bottom rather than extending out the back, so it was basically a flat front-view CRT.
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Mar 26, 2014 06:27
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Base Emitter posted:Those were cool... If I remember correctly it wasn't a projection TV, it actually had an angled phosphor screen inside a vacuum tube with the electron gun at the bottom rather than extending out the back, so it was basically a flat front-view CRT. I had to look this up---this is a super weird display. http://imgur.com/jw1G7ms Some better pictures of a larger version of the tube: http://www.r-type.org/exhib/aar0023.htm
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Mar 26, 2014 07:01
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Forgive me if I am wrong, but didn't Nokia have an alien with an actual blue tooth as a mascot for Bluetooth back when it was originally marketed as a feature? I kind of remember it but my google skills are lacking.
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Mar 26, 2014 08:12
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twistedmentat posted:I'm pretty sure dedicated computer monitors are on their way out, because you can buy an HDTV with a DVI input on it pretty cheap these days.
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Mar 26, 2014 08:35
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Humphreys posted:Forgive me if I am wrong, but didn't Nokia have an alien with an actual blue tooth as a mascot for Bluetooth back when it was originally marketed as a feature? I kind of remember it but my google skills are lacking. I think I remember something like that, but I can't find anything either. Besides, "Bluetooth" is potentially wrong. It is named after Harald Gormsson, king of Denmark and Norway from ~958 to ~986. He was nicknamed "Bluetooth" or "Blåtand" in Danish, but this all comes from later sources starting around ~1140. The Bluetooth logo is a combination of the runes for H and B  The common explanation is that he must have had a bad tooth, but there are other theories that I think are more likely to be true. One is that he was referred to as thegn/thane (chieftan) in England, which became "tan" in Old Norse. "Blue" could mean "dark", making him "Dark Chieftan", or it could refer to "blut" for "sacrifice", making him "Chief of Sacrifice". Yet another theory is that he always clothed himself in blue garments, which were extremely expensive at the time due to the price of blue dye. Or perhaps he actually just had a bad tooth and earned a silly nickname for it, but the other explanations are cooler. He also converted Denmark to Christianity, so gently caress him, he was a loving traitor 
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Mar 26, 2014 09:10
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Code Jockey posted:
And you probably still have less vertical resolution than your dad did back in the 90s. Kinda sad when you think about it.
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Mar 26, 2014 10:22
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twistedmentat posted:Something that is obsolite was screwing with the IRQ and RMA's on cards with little jumpers. Wanted to have a sound blaster and a video card? Better be careful you don't drop the jumper! You mean DMA, right?
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Mar 26, 2014 11:41
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Humphreys posted:Forgive me if I am wrong, but didn't Nokia have an alien with an actual blue tooth as a mascot for Bluetooth back when it was originally marketed as a feature? I kind of remember it but my google skills are lacking. The only wireless company that had an alien for a logo that I remember was Cingular. It was a little orange guy.
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Mar 26, 2014 16:35
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Mouthguard Chump posted:The only wireless company that had an alien for a logo that I remember was Cingular. It was a little orange guy. Primetheus, the PrimeCo Alien would like to chat with you.
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Mar 26, 2014 17:19
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KozmoNaut posted:I think I remember something like that, but I can't find anything either.
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Mar 26, 2014 22:53
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dissss posted:And you probably still have less vertical resolution than your dad did back in the 90s. Kinda sad when you think about it. Please explain this one. I don't get resolution.
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Mar 27, 2014 01:32
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Mescal posted:Please explain this one. I don't get resolution. Vertical resolutions shrank for a while when everybody went widescreen. They've caught up I think but yeah.
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Mar 27, 2014 01:50
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Shugojin posted:Vertical resolutions shrank for a while when everybody went widescreen. They've caught up I think but yeah. Well, my LCD monitor at home is still a lower resolution than the CRT I bought in 2004. It's also smaller. And cost more. Since the screen makers can just slap a "1080p WOW!" sticker on a poo poo LCD and 98% of buyers will think that's good, there's not a whole lot of impetus for them to change.
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Mar 27, 2014 01:52
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Jasper Tin Neck posted:Architects also seem to use them, at least the older generation. The landscape architecture professors at my school also have a huge boner for paper and pen (Seriously, screw doing A1-sized posters with a pen. In three copies. That's just busywork.) I find I have to be much more disciplined today in my drafting work. Probably the biggest shift has been the use of CNC for manufacturing. I'm talking profile cutting, machining, routing out timber patterns for cast parts, etc. I have to make a parametric 3D model that is exact, which for cast stuff means modelling all the drafting, split lines and the like and blending these into the part geometry smoothly. If I pull out an old drawing form the archives done with a drawing board I see a lot of that just defined in a general way with approximated freehand isometric views. Just some comments and a few reference dimensions and the rest was largely left to be figured out by the pattern makers. One thing I do find is that in my industry the bigger paper formats like A2 and A1 are disappearing because of email. In the days of hand drafting and with CAD into the early 2000s we were largely transmitting drawings that were A3 or larger and it was all physical copies. Now it's all email PDF and regardless of what format you send it as, it's going to get printed in A3 on a typical office printer/copier. People will complain if the original is A1 or A2 because a lot of it will be illegible scaled down to be printable on a normal printer and no one wants to bother with plotters anymore.
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Pham Nuwen posted:Well, my LCD monitor at home is still a lower resolution than the CRT I bought in 2004. It's also smaller. And cost more. But now companies have to convince them 1080p TVs are total poo poo for poor people, and 4k is the new hotness, while still somehow continuing to sell "1080p wow" computer monitors.
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Pham Nuwen posted:Well, my LCD monitor at home is still a lower resolution than the CRT I bought in 2004. It's also smaller. And cost more. I said "I think", I haven't bought a monitor since 2007. And I never had a particularly big CRT so the big end of their resolutions wasn't available. I do remember having a 2048x1536 option according to video cards though that definitely hasn't been around. Shugojin has a new favorite as of 03:21 on Mar 27, 2014 |
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GWBBQ posted:I always heard that his teeth were stained blue from eating blueberries, and I could have sworn the Wikipedia article on him used to include this. It's one of those "facts" that's so prevalent that it's hard to find where it originated. Well, a documentary I'm watching right now has it that he filed the tooth and filled it with blue dye, and the Jomsviking mercenary band he founded did the same. To stay slightly on topic I'm watching it on a Kindle Fire. Not bad for Netflix and books, but kind of a bummer that it was pretty limited apps-wise. At least it supported flash, so I can stream the international sporting events of which I'm so fond.
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If your timeframe is mid-to-late '90s your vertical resolution was quite likely limited by your frame buffer, not your monitor. You didn't really see consumer graphics cards with over 2MB of frame buffer until about '97 or so, which meant if you wanted 1024x768 you had to drop down to 16-bit color, and 3D acceleration had to be done at much lower resolutions. Full-color workstation graphics cards for 2D high-res before this were eye-poppingly expensive, and it's why for a long time the super-high-res graphics for stuff like professional publishing remained grayscale.
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Snowdens Secret posted:If your timeframe is mid-to-late '90s your vertical resolution was quite likely limited by your frame buffer, not your monitor. You didn't really see consumer graphics cards with over 2MB of frame buffer until about '97 or so, which meant if you wanted 1024x768 you had to drop down to 16-bit color, and 3D acceleration had to be done at much lower resolutions. Oh yeah, I remember having to drop from 16bit to 8bit in order to reach 1024x768, and not having a sound card because they were too expensive. Nvidia recently announced a video card with 12GB of memory. Twelve. Gigabytes. And it's SLI-capable (maybe even quad SLI) 
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In ran 60 Hz in order to use 1280x1024 (ugh) for years on my 17" CRT. It wasn't until I upgraded to a 85/100 Hz capable screen later, and a friend mentioned it to me, that I realized how terrible 60 Hz was to look at. It's like a strobe light. Oh, and remember Voodoo 1 card capping out at 640x480, Voodoo 2 at 800x600, and Voodoo 2 in SLI at 1024x768? Well nevermind, you couldn't see the pixels!! (due to mip-mapping woot)
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Oh man, monitor chat! Years and years ago, I was sick of my "hire-someone-to-help-you-move-it" Trinitron (good god why were those things so loving heavy), so I bought this piece of hotness: http://www.pcauthority.com.au/Review/17230,atec-neoview-al181.aspx 1280x1024, baby! This slick motherfucker had a TV tuner and a USB hub built right into it, as well as built-in speakers and composite and s-video inputs. It was lightweight and had a handle on top (where the screen meets the pedestal), so if you needed to, you could just grab it and run. It saw many, many LAN parties, drunken vintage videogame fests, and even service as a backup studio display for our university's student TV station in a pinch. It's also the only monitor I've ever owned that came with a remote. I had it for a few years until I lost it in a burglary, and I still miss it. It was so goddamn versatile. GOTTA STAY FAI has a new favorite as of 13:50 on Mar 27, 2014 |
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Yay, monitor spergin'! The one on the right is a 22" IBM T221, which in 2001 had a resolution of 3840×2400, or over 200 DPI at up to 41 Hz. That's not ideal but consider that consumer 4K/UHD screens are just starting to pop up, and many are still limited to 30Hz. It was a ridiculously expensive professional device, but you'd think it'd take less than than 14 years to become popular. I also blame the HD 1080p crew. Another example: a ~2005 ThinkaPad T60 could be had with a 1920x1200 display... which was the highest resolution you could get on a 15" ThinkPad until this year's T540's 3K option.
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What's that monitor on the right? Because that's a shitton of icons right there, do Apple displays come larger than 2560x1440 or 2560x1600 now?GOTTA STAY FAI posted:Oh man, monitor chat! Years and years ago, I was sick of my "hire-someone-to-help-you-move-it" Trinitron (good god why were those things so loving heavy), so I bought this piece of hotness: I miss my first LCD monitor too. It was an Acer AL732 and it was similarly versatile. 17", 1280x1024, 16ms refresh (!). I paid ~$850 for it, and it had both DVI, VGA, composite, component and s-video inputs. It was so awesome for hooking up my GameCube (hey yo another piece of obsolete tech) directly at LAN parties. All that goodness and fast refresh came at the price of having a TN panel with lovely color depth. It was like a world of difference moving to a full 8bit per pixel 24" 1920x1200 a couple of year later. These days I'm rocking a 27" 2560x1440 which is pretty awesome.
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One of the few future technologies I pine for is a desktop-sized version of Samsung's ridiculous cellphone OLED displays.
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KozmoNaut posted:What's that monitor on the right? Because that's a shitton of icons right there, do Apple displays come larger than 2560x1440 or 2560x1600 now? On the left, you mean? I think it's a some sort of Apple 1440 or 1600 screen. That's a lot of icons, yes, but note the browser window size - on the IBM it takes up less space physically but also relatively to its screen size, while displaying the same amount of information, so the Apple display is way lower res. Computer viking posted:One of the few future technologies I pine for is a desktop-sized version of Samsung's ridiculous cellphone OLED displays. I've been really hoping that my next monitor after a U2310H UltraSharp would be OLED but it's not looking promising so far, there are still issues with diode longevity and large panel manufacturing costs so I'll probably give in and get another IPS display, hopefully something 4K at a reasonable price, like this, though I'd prefer ~30" to hopefully avoid scaling.
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mobby_6kl posted:On the left, you mean? I think it's a some sort of Apple 1440 or 1600 screen. That's a lot of icons, yes, but note the browser window size - on the IBM it takes up less space physically but also relatively to its screen size, while displaying the same amount of information, so the Apple display is way lower res. Durr, I meant on the left, of course 
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GOTTA STAY FAI posted:Oh man, monitor chat! Years and years ago, I was sick of my "hire-someone-to-help-you-move-it" Trinitron (good god why were those things so loving heavy), so I bought this piece of hotness: To be fair it's probably your fault for bringing your monitor to a robbery.
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Computer viking posted:One of the few future technologies I pine for is a desktop-sized version of Samsung's ridiculous cellphone OLED displays. The Samsung OLED in the PS Vita is wonderful. While I'd love to see that in a huge size, I'm worried that it would burn out my eyes with its glory.
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uwaeve posted:To be fair it's probably your fault for bringing your monitor to a robbery. Look, buster, if you know of a more convenient way to watch Sanford and Son in the middle of a home invasion, let me know
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Slanderer posted:... I'm worried that it would burn out my eyes with its glory. Don't worry, the 90s has you covered.  We had one of those on a CRT monitor in the mid 90s. I'm still not sure why, other than being safe from HARMFUL COMPUTER MONITOR RADIATION. Everything looked dark and lovely with it on. 
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SubNat posted:Don't worry, the 90s has you covered. I think it's supposed to reduce viewing angles for privacy.
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Toast Museum posted:I think it's supposed to reduce viewing angles for privacy. http://www.nhsmedia.com/3Mcomputerfilters.htm 3M apparently produced screens/filters/overlays with 'Anti-Radiation' properties, so I guess they were supposed to do a lot of things. The anti-glare and the like I get, though.
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Screw anti-radiation filters. I grew up playing Fallout, and I'd like to think all that radiation absorbed from gigantic CRTs I spent my childhood staring at is going to someday unlock some kick rear end vision perks. Night vision? Perception bonuses? Eye lasers? Retinal cancer? Who knows!
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Code Jockey posted:Screw anti-radiation filters. I grew up playing Fallout, and I'd like to think all that radiation absorbed from gigantic CRTs I spent my childhood staring at is going to someday unlock some kick rear end vision perks. Night vision? Perception bonuses? Eye lasers? Retinal cancer? Who knows! Haha, me too. My mom always fussed at me for being on the computer too long, telling me it would ruin my eyes. Then, when my eyes hosed up and I needed glasses, she blamed it on the computer monitor, and cut down my time on it a whole bunch.  Is anything about the screens-ruining-your-eyes myth true? I've heard it all my life, and have never seen any actual scientific discussion of it. I've always assumed it was a new wives tale type thing.
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Code Jockey posted:Screw anti-radiation filters. I grew up playing Fallout, and I'd like to think all that radiation absorbed from gigantic CRTs I spent my childhood staring at is going to someday unlock some kick rear end vision perks. Night vision? Perception bonuses? Eye lasers? Retinal cancer? Who knows! In The late 90s and Early 2000s those stupid anti radiation stickers you put on your cellphone were EVERYWHERE. anti radiation devices were a big fad
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DicktheCat posted:Is anything about the screens-ruining-your-eyes myth true? I've heard it all my life, and have never seen any actual scientific discussion of it. I've always assumed it was a new wives tale type thing.
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I had one of those anti radiation screens on my Amiga monitor in 1988 or something. The only practical thing it did was remove the static field in front of the CRT and ruin the image quality. I probably used it for all of a week before removing it.
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DicktheCat posted:Is anything about the screens-ruining-your-eyes myth true? I've heard it all my life, and have never seen any actual scientific discussion of it. I've always assumed it was a new wives tale type thing. http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/865/will-sitting-too-close-to-the-tv-ruin-your-eyes Short answer: no, it's not harmful.
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