Paedogeddon on the British Paedoisles - Paed Heath

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marktheando: Nov 4, 2006

tentish klown posted:

I'd rather have a group of 12 legally trained public school boys decide my complicated fraud case than 12 people picked at random from the public.

Well I was largely in favour of not having juries for such things but now you have me doubting myself.

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Warcabbit: Apr 26, 2008; Wedge Regret

dorkasaurus_rex posted:

3DS supremacy. They usually have terrible reception and crap wi-fi being hammered by a hundred people trying to get extra lives in Candy Crush.

Kindle supremacy. No camera so it won't be excluded, and a battery life measured in weeks.

# ? Feb 25, 2014 23:10

kingturnip: Apr 18, 2008

tentish klown posted:

I'd rather have a group of 12 legally trained public school boys decide my complicated fraud case than 12 people picked at random from the public.

Well yes, because in your case they'd be more likely to find you Not Guilty purely because you're wealthy.
The rest of us... well, I'm not sure legally trained public school boys give the slightest poo poo what happens to the 90% of the population below your wage bracket, tentish.

# ? Feb 25, 2014 23:12

ReV VAdAUL: Oct 3, 2004; I'm WILD about
WILDMAN

marktheando posted:

Well I was largely in favour of not having juries for such things but now you have me doubting myself.

It is a puzzler, juries of average people may not be able to understand the intricacies of the case and some kind of professional jury would be very open to regulatory capture.

# ? Feb 25, 2014 23:14

Mercury_Storm: Jun 12, 2003; *chomp chomp chomp*

The answer is, of course, robots.

# ? Feb 26, 2014 00:29

Byolante: Mar 23, 2008; by Cyrano4747

Sounds like English jury duty is luxury. While waiting for a trial in the cattle pens we had no wifi but decent 4g signal but once I got onto a trial we had to surrender anything with a wifi connection at the start of every day. It might have had something to do with the trial I was on though which was a real media circus and had the judge give orders to punish reporters who were trying to film us leaving the court.

# ? Feb 26, 2014 08:26

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

More charges

quote:

Operation Elveden: Eight charged in illegal payments probe

Eight people have been charged in connection with Operation Elveden, the Scotland Yard inquiry into alleged payments to public officials in return for information.

There are thought to be a policeman and four journalists among them.

The offences against them relate to allegations of misconduct in a public office on dates spanning 2006 to 2011.

All eight will appear before Westminster Magistrates' Court on 10 March.

Sam Azouelos, a Metropolitan Police officer, is charged with one count of misconduct in a public office between July 2006 and April 2010.

7 of the names are Brandon Malinsky, Tom Wells, Neil Millard, Reggie Nunkoo, Mark Blake, Rosemary Collier, and Graham Brough.

# ? Feb 26, 2014 15:13

Rodatose: Jul 8, 2008; corn, corn, corn

The Entire Universe posted:

I'd guessed it was something adverse, but yeah, "under caution" doesn't come across as a specific legal condition on this side of the pond. We have the Miranda warning script, which is basically an American English translation of that paragraph, but I don't think there's really a term for the same situation over here since, if I recall, it's really only read when they are being placed under arrest.

The (fifth amendment in the US) rights apply at all times, but you know our CJ system . If there's a loophole (like not advising PoI's of their rights prior to arrest) they will exploit the hell out of it, and use any "I'd rather not speak to you without advice of counsel" type of talk as grounds to bring out the cuffs.

The bolded changed (even more) with Salinas v. Texas. (Of course, there are different sets of laws to be subjected to for the rich and for commoners)

# ? Mar 1, 2014 23:34

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

New piece on my blog about the links between the Stephen Lawrence police corruption and the Daniel Morgan police corruption, lots of familiar names.

# ? Mar 9, 2014 14:49

thehustler: Apr 17, 2004; I am very curious about this little crescendo

Fuuuuck me

Goodman has told the court today that Diana gave the NoW the royal telephone books, known as the green book.

# ? Mar 13, 2014 17:30

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

thehustler posted:

Fuuuuck me

Goodman has told the court today that Diana gave the NoW the royal telephone books, known as the green book.

It should be noted it was just one of 15 of the green books he had in his possession when they arrested him.

# ? Mar 13, 2014 17:32

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

Brown Moses posted:

It should be noted it was just one of 15 of the green books he had in his possession when they arrested him.

Diana was forgetful

seatbelt joke?

# ? Mar 13, 2014 17:41

thehustler: Apr 17, 2004; I am very curious about this little crescendo

Too soon

# ? Mar 13, 2014 18:09

ReV VAdAUL: Oct 3, 2004; I'm WILD about
WILDMAN

thehustler posted:

Too soon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi0wIWdZhug

# ? Mar 13, 2014 18:19

happyhippy: Feb 21, 2005; Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup; Pillbug

Surely the heads at the Daily Mail must be spinning with the internal conflict of Diana being a possible traitor to the Royals.

Diana.Traitor.Royals.......killed.Diana.Peoples.Princess....Diana.Royals.NotW....Does.Not.Compute.

# ? Mar 13, 2014 19:48

bassguitarhero: Feb 29, 2008

Is there some potential truth that Diana would have handed that over or is this dude basically shifting the blame to the dead because they can't refute?

# ? Mar 13, 2014 20:47

stefania_r: Sep 2, 2011

Pretty likely I would say. 1992 was the War of the Waleses at its high. Still doesn't explain where the other books came from.

# ? Mar 13, 2014 21:21

Heavy_D: Feb 16, 2002; "rararararara" contains the meaning of everything, kept in simple rectangular structures

happyhippy posted:

Surely the heads at the Daily Mail must be spinning with the internal conflict of Diana being a possible traitor to the Royals

What kind of Daily Express journo are you? This is a cakewalk: "NOTW-linked paparazzi took out Diana 'for threatening to spill beans' " "People's Princess was on verge of revealing Hackgate at time of accident". This is still less bullshit than the average Express story about Diana.

# ? Mar 13, 2014 23:19

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

And the correct answer is

# ? Mar 13, 2014 23:33

Rush Limbo: Sep 5, 2005; its with a full house

I think that may be the most diplomatic headline they've ever run.

# ? Mar 16, 2014 05:35

tithin: Nov 14, 2003; [Grandmaster Tactician]

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/19/phone-hacking-clive-goodman-mislead-andy-coulson posted:

Andy Coulson suggested he was in contact with police and using his influence to keep his royal editor Clive Goodman out of prison after Goodman was arrested for phone hacking in 2006, an Old Bailey jury has heard

Goodman made the claim as he told the court that he had felt threatened by a News International lawyer who told him he could keep his job if he agreed to say nothing about the involvement in hacking of others at the News of the World. He added that his own solicitor, Henri Brandman, who was being paid by the company, had also advised him not to name names.

Giving evidence, Goodman said that following his arrest on 8 August 2006 he had been distraught when he saw the size of the case that detectives had assembled against him and the News of the World's specialist phone hacker, Glenn Mulcaire.

"I was immensely worried that I was going to be blamed for all of Glenn's activities and so I told Henri that that wasn't the case, that lots of people from the News of the World were doing this. I just happened to be the one that got caught," Goodman told the court.

He had been surprised the next day when Brandman had suggested that his line of defence should be: "Under stress and some kind of lone wolf." He told the jury: "I knew he was there to represent me, but he was being paid by News International and I had a pretty strong feeling that everything I said would probably go straight back to them."

On 10 August, he had received a phone call from Coulson that had left him feeling disturbed and worried that he was being "bounced into pleading guilty".

He added that Coulson had given him the impression that he had been discussing the case with the police or the Home Office, suggesting that they had no intention of seeking a prison sentence as long as Goodman pleaded guilty and got the case out of the way quickly.

That same day, Goodman had gone to an internet cafe, created a new Hotmail email address and accessed his email account at News International: "I felt at risk of being passed off as Glenn Mulcaire's only conspirator. I was seeking email that would prove that others were involved and that Andy knew what was going on."

On 14 August, he had agreed to meet Coulson in a Cafe Rouge near his home in Wimbledon, south London. Coulson again urged him to plead guilty, he said.

"He expressed the view that through his and the newspaper's contacts he had discovered that the police didn't want the case to go any deeper than me and Mulcaire, and nobody wanted it to end up in a jail sentence.

"There was a clear suggestion his influence somehow had arranged for me not to go prison."

Coulson had told him he could keep his job and that, if he did get a prison sentence, the paper would continue to pay him and would look after his wife and daughter. David Spens QC asked him: "Was that dependent on anything?"

Goodman replied: "Keeping silent."

"About?"

"The involvement of others."

Goodman said he had already hired a specialist employment lawyer � "I couldn't really ask Henri Brandman because I thought he was representing News International as well."

In the meeting at Cafe Rouge, he noticed that Coulson seemed to have a lot of detail about the criminal case. "The only way he could have got that was from Brandman. He was supposed to be working for me, not for the paper. I thought it was not quite right that he should be telling the paper what I was telling him."

And then, Goodman claimed, Coulson had given him some advice: "All you've got to say is that you're a lone wolf." That had "really put the fear of God" into him, because it was exactly what Brandman had already suggested.

During November, Goodman said, he had drafted a proof of evidence for his court case in which he had implicated senior executives, including Coulson, in knowledge and approval of phone hacking. However, Brandman had advised him that a judge "would not take a benign view of someone who thrashed around blaming everybody else". Goodman said he had not known whether Brandman was giving him his own point of view or News International's. But eventually he had agreed to remove the references.

In the first week of November, a News International lawyer had asked to see the 2,000 pages of evidence that had been served on him by prosecutors.

Goodman said he did not want to hand it over, because he did not trust the company. He had then discovered that Brandman had gone ahead and supplied the material to the lawyer. "It was the exact opposite of my instructions," he told the court.

The same News International lawyer had attended Goodman's meetings with Brandman and with his barrister, John Kelsey-Fry QC, and had told him several times that he could keep his job at the News of the World only if he agreed not to name others who were involved in the hacking. Following one such meeting, Goodman emailed Brandman, complaining that the presence of the News International lawyer had been "unhelpful" and that he had delivered "a fairly crude carrot and stick from the NoW � I found the attempt to dictate lines of our defence highly inappropriate and just a bit shocking. I felt more threatened by the message that he was asked to deliver than I have by much of the prosecution case."

Clive Goodman and Andy Coulson deny conspiring to commit misconduct in public office. Coulson and Stuart Kuttner deny conspiring to intercept voicemail.

tl;dr - nobody trusts News ints lawyers because they were worried that everything they said would be reported back to news int in an effort to throw them under the bus.

# ? Mar 20, 2014 01:29

Wiggly Wayne DDS: Sep 11, 2010

Tithin Melias posted:

tl;dr - nobody trusts News ints lawyers because they were worried that everything they said would be reported back to news int in an effort to throw them under the bus.

That's more than worth a read, nice.

# ? Mar 20, 2014 03:47

Daveman23: Aug 4, 2003

The unnamed News International lawyer is Tom Crone.

# ? Mar 20, 2014 11:06

Jedit: Dec 10, 2011; Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Tithin Melias posted:

tl;dr - nobody trusts News ints lawyers because they were worried that everything they said would be reported back to news int in an effort to throw them under the bus.

And isn't that Coulson caught in conspiracy to pervert the course of justice?

# ? Mar 20, 2014 14:51

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

The Mail published a pretty good article on the links between the Daniel Morgan case and Stephen Lawrence murder, linked through the same dodgy coppers
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rivate-eye.html

# ? Mar 22, 2014 13:16

Plavski: Feb 1, 2006; I could be a revolutionary

Charlie Brooks is on the stand and his evidence is pretty entertaining:

https://twitter.com/lisaocarroll

# ? Mar 28, 2014 14:45

Wiggly Wayne DDS: Sep 11, 2010

Plavski posted:

Charlie Brooks is on the stand and his evidence is pretty entertaining:

https://twitter.com/lisaocarroll

Oh boy paperwork!

# ? Mar 28, 2014 17:26

tithin: Nov 14, 2003; [Grandmaster Tactician]

quote:

"lisa o'carroll ‏@lisaocarroll 11h

Brooks and Rebekah spent all evening on day of Dowler story with James Murdoch and wife trying to work out if it was a political hit"

Also in case anyone wasn't aware, Lachlan Murdoch is now the heir apparent.

# ? Mar 29, 2014 00:42

Automatic Slim: Jul 1, 2007

Sir Rabia Tirnova posted:

Also in case anyone wasn't aware, Lachlan Murdoch is now the heir apparent.

For now. The heir to Rupes empire seems to see saw between Lauchlan & James. Rupert better make up his mind soon before he no longer can.

I thought Lachlan "wasn't interested".

# ? Mar 29, 2014 01:15

Byolante: Mar 23, 2008; by Cyrano4747

Automatic Slim posted:

For now. The heir to Rupes empire seems to see saw between Lauchlan & James. Rupert better make up his mind soon before he no longer can.

I thought Lachlan "wasn't interested".

I thought the onetel wanker was blackballed for being a massive embarassment to the family.

# ? Mar 29, 2014 02:07

Automatic Slim: Jul 1, 2007

Byolante posted:

I thought the onetel wanker was blackballed for being a massive embarassment to the family.

wikipedia posted:

On 23 November 2011, British newspapers reported James Murdoch resigned as chairman of News Group Newspapers (NGN), the holding company above the Sun, News of the World and Times Newspapers Ltd, itself owner of The Times and The Sunday Times. NGN is the company subject to a series of lawsuits all related to the phone hacking scandal. James Murdoch's resignation is also said to be related to the 12-10-2011 resignation[clarification needed] of another Dow Jones Executive, Andrew Langhoff, after a company whistleblower revealed an editorial scam and questionable circulation dealings at The Wall Street Journal Europe.[18][19]

On 29 February 2012, News Corp. announced that James Murdoch would be stepping down as Executive Chairman of its British newspaper arm. The company said he would remain deputy chief operating officer of News Corp and focus on the company's international TV business,[20] including continued responsibility for BSkyB.[21] He stepped down also from the GlaxoSmithKline board.[22]

On 3 April 2012 he stood down as chairman of BSkyB, but remained on the board.[23] He was replaced as chairman by Nicholas Ferguson.

Looks like Lachlan might have another chance. If he wants it now.

I found this quote interesting:

wikipedia posted:

In April 2010, Murdoch and his associate Rebekah Brooks stormed into the offices of The Independent to complain about an advertisement campaign by the newspaper. The advertisement read, �Rupert Murdoch won�t decide this election�you will.�

# ? Mar 29, 2014 02:23

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

The Daily Mail appears to have adopted the Daniel Morgan murder as it's next big campaign, and although the Mail is terrible, I'm very glad to see they have done it
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s_campaign=1490

# ? Mar 29, 2014 10:39

Wiggly Wayne DDS: Sep 11, 2010

Brown Moses posted:

The Daily Mail appears to have adopted the Daniel Morgan murder as it's next big campaign, and although the Mail is terrible, I'm very glad to see they have done it
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s_campaign=1490

Good to hear this is still getting chased up in some manner. Hope the Met investigation into NDS has made progress beyond lawyers.

# ? Mar 29, 2014 10:46

marktheando: Nov 4, 2006

Sir Rabia Tirnova posted:

Also in case anyone wasn't aware, Lachlan Murdoch is now the heir apparent.

What? Milly Dowler's death was a political hit? Or the reveal of NOTW phone hacking of Milly Dowler was a political hit?

Brown Moses posted:

The Daily Mail appears to have adopted the Daniel Morgan murder as it's next big campaign, and although the Mail is terrible, I'm very glad to see they have done it
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s_campaign=1490

Depressing that the Daily Mail is their best hope for justice, jesus.

# ? Mar 29, 2014 20:34

goddamnedtwisto: Dec 31, 2004; If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you; Fun Shoe

marktheando posted:

Depressing that the Daily Mail is their best hope for justice, jesus.

I can't quite believe I'm defending/complementing the Mail but they're also pretty much the only reason Stephen Lawrence got justice too. Every once in a while they remember that they're an actual newspaper and do A Good Thing.

# ? Apr 6, 2014 15:53

woke wedding drone: Jun 1, 2003; by exmarx; Fun Shoe

goddamnedtwisto posted:

I can't quite believe I'm defending/complementing the Mail but they're also pretty much the only reason Stephen Lawrence got justice too. Every once in a while they remember that they're an actual newspaper and do A Good Thing.

Which they did because it was sensational and for no other reason. There is not and has never been even one thing good about the Mail.

# ? Apr 6, 2014 16:05

goddamnedtwisto: Dec 31, 2004; If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you; Fun Shoe

SedanChair posted:

Which they did because it was sensational and for no other reason. There is not and has never been even one thing good about the Mail.

They put up a reward for information way back when the original investigation was on, were heavily involved in the fighting fund needed for the private prosecution, and kept the case in the papers long after everyone else had decided it was boring. The "MURDERERS" headline was sensationalism, I'll grant you, but it was still ballsy and put the case firmly back in the public consciousness, which is really all a newspaper can actually do in those circumstances.

It doesn't forgive their relentless peddling of quackery, racism, and borderline child pornography, of course.

# ? Apr 6, 2014 16:34

Party Boat: Nov 1, 2007; where did that other dog come from

who is he

SedanChair posted:

Which they did because it was sensational and for no other reason. There is not and has never been even one thing good about the Mail.

I remember reading somewhere (Flat Earth News?) that they weren't going to cover it until Paul Dacre realised that Stephen Lawrence's father had done some plastering work for him a few years previously.

e: Here's an article about it http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-16750408

quote:

He said the realisation only came after Mr Lawrence and his wife Doreen met Nelson Mandela in May 1993 after Stephen's death.

"There had been a riot the weekend before and the Daily Mail had this story about the riots...and in the middle of that story there was about Stephen and the fact that we had met [Nelson] Mandela."

When journalists from the paper came to interview Mr Lawrence, he confronted them.

He said: "The first thing I said to them was: 'Why did your editor put my family in the middle of all that violence, we are not about violence'."

He said he was asked to speak to the editor about the issue, leading him to realise his former client headed the newspaper.

Can you imagine how lovely the Daily Mail would have been about the Lawrence family to this day if Dacre hadn't decided his dad was one of the good ones?

Party Boat fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Apr 6, 2014

# ? Apr 6, 2014 17:59

HortonNash: Oct 10, 2012

Party Boat posted:

I remember reading somewhere (Flat Earth News?) that they weren't going to cover it until Paul Dacre realised that Stephen Lawrence's father had done some plastering work for him a few years previously.

Yeah, it's from FEN.

They were going to cover it, but they were going to "argue" against an inquiry, the only reason they supported the Lawrences was because the reporter recognised Neville, as you rightly say, as having done some plastering at Dacre's house. The fact that they initially sided against the Lawrences, and only switched because of a personal connection, is fairly scummy.

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twoot: Oct 29, 2012

Charlie Brooks drank Fairy Liquid as a hangover cure, hacking trial hears

Look at this guy, such a hoot; He could never pervert the course of justice.

# ? Apr 7, 2014 17:35

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