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Snowdens Secret posted:Quoting tweets is such a pain in the rear end Thanks! I appreciate it. 4th Guards did historically have the coup protection "mission"...of course they did try and overthrow Yeltsin. Interestingly 4th Guards was downgraded to two brigades....but more on that in a second. 2nd Guards was also split into two brigades...but was recently reactivated as a Division in December last year...along with 4th Guards. quote:The Division was re-formed in 2013 by order of Russian defense minister Sergei Shoigu,[5] and will consist of the 5th Separate Motor-Rifle Brigade, the 4th Independent Tank Brigade and other unnamed units.[6] This order is pursuant to Russian President Vladimir Putin's intention to "strengthen the historical continuity" of the Russian Armed Forces by resurrecting the names of "famous, legendary units and formations of the Russian and Soviet armies".[6][7] Another division, the 4th Guards Kantemirovskaya Tank Division was also reinstated under the same order.
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Can anyone imagine 50,000 troops at NTC? That'd be a clusterfuck and a half.
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# ? Mar 28, 2014 17:14 |
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In my life I've never seen a country bring 50,000 troops to a state of readiness unless they were going somewhere.
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Snowdens Secret posted:Doublepostin' so I don't have to keep editing: quote:The U.S. believes Russia now has nearly 50,000 troops in position for possible operations, including those participating in the declared exercises along the Ukrainian border and those already inside Russian-controlled Crimea, officials said. the way thats written it seems like they estimated 45k troops, and now theyre at 50k also lollin at that gripen vid
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# ? Mar 28, 2014 17:34 |
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I wouldn't want to be a Ukrainian conscript right now. What would it feel like to hear an armoured division turning over their engines in the middle of the night?
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Frosted Flake posted:I wouldn't want to be a Ukrainian conscript right now. What would it feel like to hear an armoured division turning over their engines in the middle of the night? Imagine the same as it sounds when you're 17, it's Friday night and you're balls deep in some girl and you hear her dad's car pull in to the drive way with no real escape route
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quote:Although the Pentagon has cited assurances from Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu that its troops along the border were sent for exercises and that they would not cross into Ukraine, U.S. officials have acknowledged concerns about continued Russian reinforcements to the area. Admiral, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.
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Frosted Flake posted:I wouldn't want to be a Ukrainian conscript right now. What would it feel like to hear an armoured division turning over their engines in the middle of the night? Especially since Ukraine just got rid of conscription....
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# ? Mar 28, 2014 19:07 |
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Wait, so what are the USA's regime protection units? The Old Guard?
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# ? Mar 28, 2014 19:33 |
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Godholio posted:Wait, so what are the USA's regime protection units? The Old Guard? silent drill team stationed at 8th and i i hear their hazing rituals consist of edge dressing and anuses
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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:i hear their hazing rituals consist of edge dressing and anuses
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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:silent drill team stationed at 8th and i Don't the marines do a lot of war games around DC?
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Iseeyouseemeseeyou posted:Don't the marines do a lot of war games around DC? They do them in Minneapolis around the Mississippi River from time to time. Every now and then I get paid OT to park my ambulance, turn on the lights, and then read my phone until they want me to pretend to pick someone up.
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Iseeyouseemeseeyou posted:Don't the marines do a lot of war games around DC? No, unless you count routine training at AP Hill or Pickett as "war games".
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Godholio posted:Wait, so what are the USA's regime protection units? The Old Guard? My dad was in the old guard and some of the things he mentioned sounded like regime protection, like getting ready to shoot hippies if they stormed the white house. Or getting ready to shoot blacks if they stormed the white house. Or getting ready to shoot democrats if they stormed the white house.
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# ? Mar 29, 2014 02:52 |
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Really wish Pickett would burn down. That place sucks.
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EVA BRAUN BLOWJOBS posted:Really wish earth would burn down. That place sucks.
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EVA BRAUN BLOWJOBS posted:Really wish Pickett would burn down. That place sucks.
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EVA BRAUN BLOWJOBS posted:Really wish Pickett would burn down. That place sucks.
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orange juche fucked around with this message at 06:21 on Mar 29, 2014 |
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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:the way thats written it seems like they estimated 45k troops, and now theyre at 50k Not from the same link but this is how it's usually being written quote:The most conservative American assessments, apparently based on satellite data, say that Russia has massed between 40,000 and 50,000 troops within striking distance of Ukraine, including those already in Crimea. That total has apparently risen from 30,000 only a week ago. Also: quote:Nato has appointed Jens Stoltenberg, the former Norwegian prime minister leader who once opposed the transatlantic alliance, to lead it when Anders Fogh Rasmussen, its current secretary general, steps down later this year. I kinda liked Rasmussen, especially since he got short-timer syndrome. Stoltenberg is extremely outspoken against nuclear weapons: quote:His early radicalism is an initial red flag: While serving as a minister of industry and energy, he joined a 1995 bicycle rally from Oslo to Paris to protest French nuclear-weapons testing. His defenders might object that many a responsible European politician—think Joschka Fischer —spent his youth in Europe's far-left fever swamps.
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Meh, Jens is a career politician and is extremely good at hiding his own opinions. That also extends to his youth when he was a leader of the labour partys youth wing. He served his conscription in the infantry at the height of the cold war and his father served as minister of both foreign affairs and defence as well as an extremely respected president of the Norwegian Red Cross when he retired from politics. He's an economist, and appears to be a good one. I don't agree with all his views, but as a person he appears to a genuinely good man and a good leader. He will be loyal to the organization at all costs. That the WSJ doesn't like a Norwegian labour leader is hardly a surprise...
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# ? Mar 29, 2014 13:05 |
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Tartars want their own state as well. http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/29/us-ukraine-crisis-crimea-tatars-idUSBREA2S09320140329 Crimea wants them moved. http://en.ria.ru/world/20140319/188544777/Crimean-Tatars-Will-Have-to-Vacate-Land--Official.html
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# ? Mar 29, 2014 16:44 |
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I believe Russia has experience with
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# ? Mar 29, 2014 16:55 |
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Norway wants to get things done, they know who to send. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yn-oemgzlEU
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...1f3e_story.htmlquote:A majority of Germans, according to two recent opinion polls, are opposed to significant new sanctions. In addition, one poll suggests that a majority of Germans sympathize with Putin’s desire to protect Russian national interests in Crimea.
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# ? Mar 29, 2014 22:23 |
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lol Remind me again why NATO is still a thing?
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# ? Mar 29, 2014 22:26 |
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iyaayas01 posted:lol One could argue it's specifically for scenarios like this (or a far more drastic Cold War scenario) where weak leaders could tell their recalcitrant citizenry "Welp, this treaty trigger was reached, a UN resolution was passed, the jets are heading east already, my hands are tied." Instead of, you know, having to make a convincing argument to the entire volk, a skill that has apparently vanished from the shores of the Western world. Which is part of why the not-stupid Putin will meticulously avoid triggering NATO commitments (at least in the foreseeable future) and will use legalese nonsense, non-state actors and the UNSC veto to keep the UN off his back.
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iyaayas01 posted:lol Sweet TDYs.
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# ? Mar 29, 2014 22:56 |
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Germans feeling sympathetic toward nations conquering the territory of other countries to protect ethnic descendants? That's a new one.
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psydude posted:Germans feeling sympathetic toward nations conquering the territory of other countries to protect ethnic descendants? That's a new one. We must secure the existence of our people and a future for Russian children.
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Whip Slagcheek posted:We must secure the existence of our people and a future for Russian children. Citations: Youtube
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# ? Mar 30, 2014 06:14 |
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Casimir Radon posted:I don't think Russian children have much of a future. I don't think Russian children have much of a future.* Citing Daniel Pipes in 2013: quote:Not only do ethnic Muslims account for 21–23 million of Russia’s total population of 144 million, or 15 percent, but their proportion is fast growing. Alcoholism-plagued ethnic Russians are said to have European birth rates and African life-expectancy, with the former just 1.4 per woman and the latter 60 years for men. In Moscow, ethnic Christian women have 1.1 children. In this context the reach out for 'ethnic Russians' in Ukraine, Moldova etc can be seen as less some nebulously humanitarian thing and more a frantic grab at a dwindling natural resource, which makes far more historical sense as a reason for war *This is old data but the newest stuff still supports it, even if overall Russia's birth rates are recovering it's all in places like Chechnya/Dagestan and the very non-Russian Far East, and 'ethnic Russian' birth rates are still completely in the shitter. It's just all in Cyrillic and I don't want to quote a google translate mess
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Oh yeah also this http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/vladimir-putin-wants-regain-finland-says-close-adviser-1442466
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Worked out well last time.
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That is why you don't start a war during the winter, right after getting rid of your best generals in favor of political cronies. orange juche fucked around with this message at 12:34 on Mar 30, 2014 |
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orange juche posted:
Also, small ethnic enclaves on Russias borders seem to overall really, really, not want to be part of Russia. See; Finns, Chechens, Dagestanis.
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Courthouse posted:Also, small ethnic enclaves on Russias borders seem to overall really, really, not want to be part of Russia. See; Finns, Chechens, Dagestanis. But Putin just wants Russia to rise back to its former glory that it enjoyed under its last Tsar. Why can't the rest of the world understand that? The people living in those areas are just squatting on Russian territory after all. Edit: Much as all of the countries that border the South China Sea actually have no right to any of the body of water that is there nor the resources under it, it all belongs to China after all, according to 300+ year old maps, and furthermore E2: May as well lump in the Sea of Japan as well, as that is owned by China on some old maps as well, I mean gently caress, just throw in everything west of Hawaii because China was probably there first. orange juche fucked around with this message at 14:31 on Mar 30, 2014 |
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Yeah WTF is up with people in the West white-knighting Putin?
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