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How can you not love a race of incredibly dry Orcs?
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All the previous jaghut encounters I can recall before Hood were all kindly whiny and annoying so I can see his point and completely agree. Hood and co. loving owned though. And I agree that Icarium is little more than a big mopey cocktease that, sans Mappo (who was awesome) was utterly boring to read. Like the three times he could've done something badass across all 10 books, in 1 he got gypped out of the fight, in another he goes berserk but then doesn't ruin the world, and in the third he gets gypped again. He's such a huge cocktease the whole time. Yngwie Mangosteen fucked around with this message at 07:11 on Apr 2, 2014 |
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Apr 2, 2014 07:08
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nucleicmaxid posted:All the previous jaghut encounters I can recall before Hood were all kindly whiny and annoying so I can see his point and completely agree. Well, dead Raest and Gothos disagrees with you. Likewise, the female Jaghut in Midnight Tides was great. Jaghut are so nonchalantly arrogant and have great dry humour. Sometimes it feels like T'lan Imass didn't so much fail in exterminating the Jaghut as the Jaghut growed bored of them. Each dead Jaghut equals hundred to thousands of dead T'lan Imass and I guess mass slaughter grows weary after a while. Gothos as an example seemed to have chosen being a warden of an Azath in order to have some quiet time.
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Apr 2, 2014 07:50
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I love the Knights of Light that show up long enough to get owned like a squadron of keystone cops.
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Apr 2, 2014 08:05
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drat I kind of forgot Raest was Jaghut. To me it was almost like the tyrant monster raest and then the retired undead sarcastic raest were different characters. I guess dying might do that but it was such a difference I stopped associating the two. Gothos kind of pop up randomly without doing too much while everyone else lost their poo poo about him so I felt like he wasn't all that memorable personally. He does put Kallor in his place very nicely, which is always appreciated. I guess the portrayal of jaghut as a race doesn't match up with those that appear as specific characters. They're talked about as this kind of sad lost people who couldn't even care enough to save their own lives but then you see specific characters and they're the best so its a weird dichotomy. Maybe thats part of why they abandoned social living, the bad rear end ones got sick of the mopers and vice versa. nucleicmaxid posted:All the previous jaghut encounters I can recall before Hood were all kindly whiny and annoying so I can see his point and completely agree. Hes just kind of pointless. There's enough going on in the book that we don't need the old amnesiac rage portal hulk thing. Xguard86 fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Apr 2, 2014 |
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Apr 2, 2014 18:04
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So what is the point of Fiddler's card games?
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Apr 2, 2014 22:45
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amuayse posted:So what is the point of Fiddler's card games? malazan equivalent of spoilers
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Apr 2, 2014 22:47
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amuayse posted:So what is the point of Fiddler's card games? Fiddler is just this mundane human grunt with an idiot savant ability with the deck. As far as we can tell, the most talented at foretelling that we ever see. He divines so much information from the future and the near-present that it's dangerous as gently caress. The deck is dangerous even in small amounts, based on Malazan's respect for the unveiling of power, I imagine that a deck reading is like a mushroom cloud going off, especially when it's done by someone like Fiddler, attracting the attentive eye of all sorts of nasty powerful things. As to how it actually fits into the world? Don't know. The deck is powerful as are all of its residents. I have to imagine it's some kind of control mechanism created by K'Rul to police the warrens, and it maybe has a side affect of being able to divine the futures of aligned players in the various convergences.
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Apr 2, 2014 23:00
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I wonder if anyone has sat down and spelt out what all the deck foreshadowing means. Guess it'll be easier on a second read through.
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Apr 3, 2014 01:41
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dishwasherlove posted:I wonder if anyone has sat down and spelt out what all the deck foreshadowing means. Guess it'll be easier on a second read through. At one point I tried to figure out what all the deck play at the end of Bonehunters meant, but I never quite got it and I didn't write it down, so I don't even remember what I figured out.
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Apr 3, 2014 02:00
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Tattersail's use of the deck at the beginning of Gardens of the Moon definitely hooked me on the series, in spite of my later misgivings over the use of magic. I really like the concept that using magic to foresee is inherently dangerous to the magician and those around her or him.
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Apr 3, 2014 05:15
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nucleicmaxid posted:All the previous jaghut encounters I can recall before Hood were all kindly whiny and annoying so I can see his point and completely agree. Good, so you're both wrong.
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Apr 3, 2014 14:49
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Loving Life Partner posted:Fiddler is just this mundane human grunt with an idiot savant ability with the deck
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Apr 3, 2014 14:52
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Fiddler is one of my favorite characters in the series so far, probably because he reminds me of several grumpy sergeants I knew. Hedge, on the other hand, I can't stand.
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Apr 3, 2014 15:09
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Habibi posted:Good, so you're both wrong. Beep boop. What is an opinion?
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Apr 3, 2014 15:34
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nucleicmaxid posted:Beep boop. What is an opinion? When it's yours? Invalid. 
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Apr 3, 2014 17:48
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Xguard86 posted:I guess the portrayal of jaghut as a race doesn't match up with those that appear as specific characters.
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Apr 3, 2014 18:02
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Habibi posted:One way to look at it is that perhaps there is a reason these Jaghut survived when their entire race did not. good point, cream of the crop. I have to say, as my regard for the jaghut rose it declined in equal measure for the tellan imass. Their eternal holy war against the jaghut starts looking worse and worse as you start to find out it was kind of an overreaction with very nasty consequences. As you get to know members of their race you start to realize they've got a lot of heart but not so much brain.
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Apr 4, 2014 21:44
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Well yeah that's the whole drat point and exactly how you're supposed to feel And also that Olar Ethil is a bitch But also a weird as hell character considering the poo poo she says in Dust of Dreams...
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Apr 5, 2014 01:26
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caveman nazi zombies and keychain shemales are 2 of the main draws of this series
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Apr 5, 2014 01:42
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I'll admit the undead cyborg space velociraptors threw me off at first, but I've come to enjoy being thrown off balance by this series.
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Apr 5, 2014 03:02
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IIRC the whole undead cyborg space velociraptors thing is very intentional. There's a theme about how magic tends to stunt technological advancement, but the Keychains lack any kind of 'real' magic in the same sense as Denul or High Mage artillery, and they were around for something like hundreds of thousands of years so they're pretty much more advanced than modern, real world humans. And they still can't deal with people that can shrug off nukes or teleport or smother entire continents in ice.
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Apr 6, 2014 02:00
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Ynglaur posted:I'll admit the undead cyborg space velociraptors threw me off at first, but I've come to enjoy being thrown off balance by this series. It is a credit to Erikson's writing that stuff like this in the series feels natural and serious, and doesn't come off as cheesy or forced. It wasn't even til I started reading some internet threads that I realized just how over the top some of these things were.
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Apr 6, 2014 02:37
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savinhill posted:It is a credit to Erikson's writing that stuff like this in the series feels natural and serious, and doesn't come off as cheesy or forced. It wasn't even til I started reading some internet threads that I realized just how over the top some of these things were. Gruntle's stand in the tenement house. I think it was like 3 or 4 books later until I went "wait what the gently caress I forgot about that"
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Apr 6, 2014 03:40
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Ynglaur posted:I'll admit the undead cyborg space velociraptors threw me off at first, but I've come to enjoy being thrown off balance by this series. We got colour coded extra-dimensional elves, space dinosaurs riding upside-down mountains, an undead caveman army, green frost trolls/orcs, dragonfly riding grenadiers, super-jointed crystal wraiths and drug-psycho giants. Hmm, did I miss any? EDIT: Native America crow soul riders? Xachariah fucked around with this message at 07:02 on Apr 6, 2014 |
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Apr 6, 2014 06:59
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The Tiste Edur are extremely Inuit. How did they forget how to make awesome explosives anyways?
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Apr 6, 2014 07:21
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You forgot the various one-man armies that seem to stroll around. Though it's always surprising when one of them suddenly gets their teeth kicked in unexpectedly.
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Apr 6, 2014 13:26
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Semi-sentient houses that trap super powerful creatures forever and span an infinite multi-verse
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Apr 6, 2014 18:51
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Crazy, evil, magic puppet. [edit] 
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Apr 6, 2014 19:21
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an ancient, horny monkey that can take down the incredible hulk with the power of love
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Apr 6, 2014 23:19
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Reading Toll of Hounds and while it was a few months between finishing Reaper's Gale and this, I can't seem to remember one thing. I'm about a third of the way through the book but I can't remember: The Dying God isn't the Crippled God by another name right? Oh, and a comment; I'm getting very tired of Cutter's self pitying and the like. It's been like this for almost every book he's been in except for his first one and I'm done with it. I mean, I can fully understand people having low points but it just goes on and on. I can't wait until I finish this series though, it will be fun to finally go through this thread in it's entirety.
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Apr 7, 2014 04:03
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thecallahan posted:Reading Toll of Hounds and while it was a few months between finishing Reaper's Gale and this, I can't seem to remember one thing. I'm about a third of the way through the book but I can't remember: The Dying God isn't the Crippled God by another name right? Oh, and a comment; I'm getting very tired of Cutter's self pitying and the like. It's been like this for almost every book he's been in except for his first one and I'm done with it. I mean, I can fully understand people having low points but it just goes on and on. You find out by the end of this book. If you really want to know, No, it's not. For anyone else who doesn't remember, (TtH spoilers) it's Bellurdan Skullcrusher, now ascended, from the first book. EDIT: VV Thanks for pointing out, the above spoilers are for the first question you asked. Yarrbossa fucked around with this message at 05:10 on Apr 7, 2014 |
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Apr 7, 2014 04:40
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thecallahan posted:I'm getting very tired of Cutter's self pitying and the like. It's been like this for almost every book he's been in except for his first one and I'm done with it. I mean, I can fully understand people having low points but it just goes on and on. The unquoted part was answered. But as to the quoted part? It takes a long time for it to get better. He actually goes from one of my favorite characters in his first book to one of my least favorite characters across the books. Just barely above the useless Icarium.
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Apr 7, 2014 04:58
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Cutter does get to finish TtH on some really high notes though, so reading his parts won't be in vain if you're not enjoying them so far.
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Apr 7, 2014 08:27
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savinhill posted:Cutter does get to finish TtH on some really high notes though, so reading his parts won't be in vain if you're not enjoying them so far. Well, that's a relief. He was an okay character in Gardens of the Moon, but I'm just starting Toll the Hounds and have found him insufferable ever since. Icarium started off interesting, but with no real character development since his introduction, Ifind sectinos with him to be a slog. Mappo makes up for a lot, however. I can't help but wonder if these sentiments are intended by the author, however. Most characters seem to like Fiddler and barely tolerate Hedge, in spite of their friendship, and I feel much the same.
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Apr 7, 2014 10:07
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Uh, I personally think Unidaas and Heboric are pretty annoying. Even the other characters are frankly sick of having to hear constant whiny and nihilistic speeches.
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Apr 7, 2014 21:04
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Really? Heboric I understand, but Udinaas has grown on me throughout the series. Maybe it's because his nihilism degenerates into "Oh yeah? Well gently caress you too!" rather than "I shall sit here despondently until death takes my gloomy, worthless soul in this, my hopeless existence." I saw a real turning point when he told Feather Witch to get lost.
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Apr 7, 2014 22:30
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udinaas got a pass from me because it was also amusing how he was a normal dude surrounded by demi-gods and held his own through the power of sarcasm and not giving a poo poo. Also, I could not stop thinking of this whenever the K'chain Chemalle showed up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uhZ8l56_p8
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Apr 8, 2014 18:06
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So I've been reading Toll the Hounds, and the part where the undead soletaken dragon told Kallor he was a massive bitch was magical to me. Aka that character dropping the factoid about why the jaghuts are so broken as a race.Just a small matter of the entire jaghut race going to war against Death...no big deal. which explains how Hood became Hood. quantumfoam fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Apr 8, 2014 |
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Apr 8, 2014 21:53
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I really need to do a re-read because I never caught a lot of this stuff.
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