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Yeah, "they're a poorly run company that is partially destroying the comic book industry," is a bit inflammatory.
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He said some not so nice things about Joe Quesada once or twice. When we saw him speak at Chicago he was pretty bitter about his time at Marvel getting cut short but incredibly smug about the pile of money Walking Dead makes him. More than anyone at Marvel is making according to him. He and Bendis used to be pretty tight but that friendship looks to be long gone.
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Opopanax posted:I can definitely see someone getting frustrated at marvel's constant crossovers I think they are a lot better now at letting some books just go without the tie-ins and keeping the damage down. Hawkeye has no place being a part of any major event so its been left alone. I also think Hickman is basically doing what Kirkman wanted to do. Other than starting out of Dark Reign his FF didn't cross over with anything that I know of. Infinity was his event and a core part of the story he's telling, but we'll see how Original Sin goes. DC on the other hand...
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Apr 7, 2014 19:41
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I also like how he wants to have a run of Amazing Spider-man from the 70s as all through the 80 they had crossovers and side books. Thor and Hulk also had crossovers.
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Apr 7, 2014 19:46
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I also think that Kirkman's later comments about wanting to "Save the comic industry" didn't help things. But whenever I see comic Pro's fight I think back to that time that JMs got on his high horse about how awesome his run on Spider-Man was. http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/12/10/fanboy-rampage-jms-vs-steve-wacker/ In particular, Mark Waid's response is the stone cold best.
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Apr 7, 2014 19:49
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JMS has always been known to be a huge oval office, that incident just cemented it.
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Apr 7, 2014 19:53
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CapnAndy posted:Invincible is frequently pretty good, but the problem is that every so often Kirkman gets bored with good writing and decides to just coat every page in entrails and eyeballs and any other viscera he can think of and kill off a bunch of good characters. I like Invincible in general as well as most of the various spin-off and satellite series Kirkman wrote before and during that comic's run, such as Tech Jacket, Capes, Inc. and The Astoudning Wolf-Man (although I certainly understand the criticism it gets). In a certain sense, I guess I can appreciate that he's been able to construct his very own superhero universe and he can more or less do what he likes with it. I admit it's kind of weird that I like it (and probably more than a little hypocritical of me) because when the Big Two publish books with really viscreal ultra-violence (and often much less viscreal depictions than one might see in Invincible) it would often put me off.
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Apr 7, 2014 20:23
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Opopanax posted:I can definitely see someone getting frustrated at marvel's constant crossovers Peter David quit books over it, so yes. Any word of a 2nd USM Omnibus? El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Apr 7, 2014 |
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Apr 7, 2014 23:44
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Senor Candle posted:I think they are a lot better now at letting some books just go without the tie-ins and keeping the damage down. Hawkeye has no place being a part of any major event so its been left alone. I also think Hickman is basically doing what Kirkman wanted to do. Other than starting out of Dark Reign his FF didn't cross over with anything that I know of. Infinity was his event and a core part of the story he's telling, but we'll see how Original Sin goes. El Gallinero Gros posted:Peter David quit books over it, so yes. Kirkman could have wrapped all his Marvel work and focused on his creator-owned stuff without being a big baby about it but whoops
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Apr 8, 2014 00:50
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What all did Kirkman write at Marvel? He had a pretty poor run on Ultimate X-Men, he did one of the short, fairly anonymous Captain America runs in between Jurgens leaving and Brubaker taking over, and he had the new Marvel Team-Up he did with Scott Kolins (which was okay up to a point). What else?
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irlZaphod posted:That was 20 years ago, and he's back writing for Marvel now. I dunno, if you're in a position to actually express your opinions on the big two without suffering any repercussions, you should definitely take it, even if you're kind of a jerk. It sure beats all this "if I say anything bad about Jeph Loeb/Greg Land/Whoever I'll never work again" wishy-washy diplomatic poo poo we usually get in interviews.
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Apr 8, 2014 00:58
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I love Mark Waid.
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Metal Loaf posted:What all did Kirkman write at Marvel? He had a pretty poor run on Ultimate X-Men, he did one of the short, fairly anonymous Captain America runs in between Jurgens leaving and Brubaker taking over, and he had the new Marvel Team-Up he did with Scott Kolins (which was okay up to a point). What else? An irredeemable run on ant man
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Apr 8, 2014 01:46
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And Marvel Zombies, of course. No idea how I forgot that one.
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Apr 8, 2014 02:02
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Kirkman also did Marvel Knights 2099, The Destroyer (which was actually really fun, I thought), Jubilee, and Fantastic Four: Foes. I appreciate Kirkman being pretty unfiltered. He usually isn't wrong, but I think he's a pollyanna about the ability for most comic writers and artists to "go indie". irlZaphod posted:Marvel don't force books to be part of crossovers anymore, though, they haven't at all during Quesada's tenure. Is there a source for this? It feels weird that you'd have tie-ins as numerous as Civil War had without some amount of arm-twisting. And there's the classic bit there a comic has to wind up or wind down centering around a crossover, as well.
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Metal Loaf posted:I like Invincible in general ... I admit it's kind of weird that I like it (and probably more than a little hypocritical of me) because when the Big Two publish books with really viscreal ultra-violence (and often much less viscreal depictions than one might see in Invincible) it would often put me off. I feel the same as you... for me at least, the difference is that it's a lot less sketchy for a character like Invincible to be specifically created with that level of gore as part of the baseline, than for one like, say, Batman that started as a children's character and had that level of guignol just kind of creep into it over time. Especially since the Big Two characters are still used as all-ages characters. I think it's particularly hosed up that DC concurrently publishes Batman comics where the Joker peels the skin off his face, and where Robin teams up with Scooby-Doo. You really shouldn't be crossing those kinds of streams. (That said, there was that Invincible-Tick crossover, but that one at least made the genre clashing part of the joke, whereas I don't think you can or should be making human taxidermy jokes in Scooby-Doo Team-Up).
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He wrote Marvel Team-Up too, which was pretty good.Alien Rope Burn posted:Is there a source for this? It feels weird that you'd have tie-ins as numerous as Civil War had without some amount of arm-twisting. And there's the classic bit there a comic has to wind up or wind down centering around a crossover, as well.
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Apr 8, 2014 09:57
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Most of Kirkman's points are valid comics are marketing to a diminishing fan base and too scared/too dependent on them to risk alienating them and there is an entrenched buddy-buddy club. Monty Python levels absurd gore aren't the industry's panacea and neither is replicating his one in a million indie comic Cinderella story.
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Lurdiak posted:I dunno, if you're in a position to actually express your opinions on the big two without suffering any repercussions, you should definitely take it, even if you're kind of a jerk. It sure beats all this "if I say anything bad about Jeph Loeb/Greg Land/Whoever I'll never work again" wishy-washy diplomatic poo poo we usually get in interviews. Yeah I'm not a fan of Kirkman's writing at all but all those points he made are pretty sound.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:Yeah I'm not a fan of Kirkman's writing at all but all those points he made are pretty sound. His points that you should try to own the property you work on is great. Marvel/DC killing comics is where it gets hyperbolic. I doubt Walking Dead would be on the TV if comic book movies weren't already a thing.
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Parkreiner posted:I feel the same as you... for me at least, the difference is that it's a lot less sketchy for a character like Invincible to be specifically created with that level of gore as part of the baseline, than for one like, say, Batman that started as a children's character and had that level of guignol just kind of creep into it over time. Ultimately part of it is just DC and various writers chasing the dragon that was the mammoth success of The Dark Knight Returns. SirDan3k posted:Monty Python levels absurd gore aren't the industry's panacea and neither is replicating his one in a million indie comic Cinderella story. Though I've said it before, the gore is largely inspired Savage Dragon, another book that mixes four-color influences with the occasional exploding head.
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StumblyWumbly posted:His points that you should try to own the property you work on is great. Marvel/DC killing comics is where it gets hyperbolic. I doubt Walking Dead would be on the TV if comic book movies weren't already a thing. I'm not sure why you think that. Walking Dead got on TV to capitalize off the zombie craze, not because it was a comic book property. A lot of people who watch it don't even know there's a comic.
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ImpAtom posted:I'm not sure why you think that. Walking Dead got on TV to capitalize off the zombie craze, not because it was a comic book property. A lot of people who watch it don't even know there's a comic. And from my experience the majority of the ones who do know it's a comic won't read it because reading is hard.
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Len posted:And from my experience the majority of the ones who do know it's a comic won't read it because reading is hard. And from my experience the people who know it's a comic do read it.
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Senor Candle posted:And from my experience the people who know it's a comic do read it. You must not live in middle of nowhere Ohio  Reading is hard here.
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At least once a week I hear "Oh wow, there's walking dead comics now!" Or some variation in the comic shop I work at.
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ImpAtom posted:I'm not sure why you think that. Walking Dead got on TV to capitalize off the zombie craze, not because it was a comic book property. A lot of people who watch it don't even know there's a comic. I think being based off a comic gained some legitimacy in Hollywood after some comic book movies made huge buckets of money.
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So last time I checked in on Marvel Unlimited it was hotass garbage. Namely the smart panels. They would cut off major sections of the page including dialogue and couldn't be scrolled around to fix it. So it was that or read with the whole page on my phone and pinch and zoom around the page. I just checked out the app on my iPhone 5s and it seems to be fixed, but I don't have a subscription. So all the ones I'm checking are the free comics that are all important milestones so if any of them would be fixed it'd be those. Have they fixed the smart panels for ALL the comics?
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When I read stuff on Comixology I get these weird Photoshop-esque lines that stretch through the pages, like so: Anyone know what causes this? It happens in multiple browsers. I've tried searching to no avail, and Comixology doesn't have any support worth poo poo. I know I've seen it before under other circumstances, so I'm hoping it's a broad enough problem that someone here might know the answer.
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Unmature posted:So last time I checked in on Marvel Unlimited it was hotass garbage. Namely the smart panels. They would cut off major sections of the page including dialogue and couldn't be scrolled around to fix it. So it was that or read with the whole page on my phone and pinch and zoom around the page. No. Most newer issues from the past few years seem to be mostly ok though. It is a huge improvement, but still not as good as Comixology.
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Apr 9, 2014 16:50
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Does anyone know which issues of Adam Warren's Gen-13 have the story where they have to fight a self aware meme?
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Mr Wind Up Bird posted:Does anyone know which issues of Adam Warren's Gen-13 have the story where they have to fight a self aware meme? Gen13 #43 and #44.
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Apr 10, 2014 14:27
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Is there like a general comic trading/selling thread? Cause I got Robotech and street fighter comics collecting dusts over here.
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Apr 10, 2014 20:08
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I think there's one in SA Mart.
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Apr 10, 2014 20:25
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There used to be a few, but they always die out quickly. Not sure if there's still a generic floating around.
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Ah okay. I guess I'll make one for my extra comics sitting around. Thanks guys.
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I just finished Gillen's run on Journey into Mystery, is that the end of Kid Loki 
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Apr 11, 2014 14:28
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zoux posted:I just finished Gillen's run on Journey into Mystery, is that the end of Kid Loki Read his Young Avengers! All three trades are out.
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I thought it was one of the best books I've read in a while, though it kinda went all over the place with the Thor crossover stuff at the end. How's Immonen's Sif run?
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The Immonen/Schiti run is a good fun colourful book. Nothing at all connected to the Loki stuff but good, only lasts a handful of issues though.
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