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Howard Phillips posted:Gaming keyboards worth the price tag? I think a nice keyboard is worth the price because they last for so long. 4 computers from now you will probably still be using the same keyboard.
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the cuntbags made it so that you can't use codes if you weren't subscribed to their newsletter when it went out, sneaky bastards.
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I noticed the Corsair Carbide 200R has vents on top, and while I'm sure it's helps ventilation, my house (and non hole on top case) gets pretty dusty. Is there another ATX case of similar price y'all would recommend without that?
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Black Dynamite posted:I have an Intel 530 240Gb SSD, an old NVIDIA GTX 650, 8gb 1600 RAM, and an i7 4770k. That much power is for at least 2x power hungry video cards + overclocked CPU and all the normal stuff. Power is power, don't worry about compatibility between brands, just worry about quality and if it has the connectors you want. The only compatibility thing with Haswells is supporting sleep mode or not.
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Ignoarints posted:That much power is for at least 2x power hungry video cards + overclocked CPU and all the normal stuff. Power is power, don't worry about compatibility between brands, just worry about quality and if it has the connectors you want. The only compatibility thing with Haswells is supporting sleep mode or not. Yeah, I've overclocked my CPU already and haven't ruled out running two high-end Nvidia's in the future for 4-8k resolution.
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Apr 9, 2014 19:46
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ShaneB posted:Do you know if the 3D rendering software you want to use utilizes hyperthreading (like actually uses it) and/or fills 16GB of RAM? I believe it does and a few people here had recommended the i7 and 16GB based on that. Seems like it might be worth it.
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Black Dynamite posted:Yeah, I've overclocked my CPU already and haven't ruled out running two high-end Nvidia's in the future for 4-8k resolution. Nice, the seasonic linked earlier is better then
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Ignoarints posted:Nice, the seasonic linked earlier is better then Awesome, thanks.
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ShaneB posted:Do you know if the 3D rendering software you want to use utilizes hyperthreading (like actually uses it) and/or fills 16GB of RAM? I have zero experience with it but once you look into 3d rendering its a totally new set of rules for hardware. People can consistently use more than 16gb with real actual 3d rendering work (not just benchmarks). The argument tends to be whether 32 gb is worth it or not, some people scrap everything and get what they need for 64. Hypertheading nets you about 20-30% improvement in speed with 3d rendering benchmarks. That's about all I know though
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Apr 9, 2014 19:56
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Ignoarints posted:I have zero experience with it but once you look into 3d rendering its a totally new set of rules for hardware. People can consistently use more than 16gb with real actual 3d rendering work (not just benchmarks). The argument tends to be whether 32 gb is worth it or not, some people scrap everything and get what they need for 64. Hypertheading nets you about 20-30% improvement in speed with 3d rendering benchmarks. That's about all I know though Very helpful thanks. Maybe if I can squeeze 32 it would be good since I am under budget. Any other issues with the build? Thanks!
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Soldier o Fortune posted:Very helpful thanks. Maybe if I can squeeze 32 it would be good since I am under budget. I don't remember details, but I'm pretty sure that was the case for people who did it for a living, which I'm not saying you don't but there is probably a wide range in workloads. That said, most people have 16 gb and are happy with it. But no the build looks good. I actually didn't even know there was a 4771. In case 32gb is a total waste, you can always pick up 16* more gb later.
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Thanks, amazon said nope but it was worth a try.
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Hi guys, sorry for the repeat inquiries however I've just finished revising my build more or less and could really use some advice before I bite the bullet tonight. As per suggestion I swapped over to Micro ATX, here's what I've thrown together: quote:Intel Core i5-4670K As for the GPU and mobo, I'm slightly torn, my local Canada Computers has this Zotac 770 http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500302 on a pretty good sale, plus it's running at a higher base clock speed. My original choice for the 770 was the popular Asus http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121770 — $30 more expensive than the Zotac but I've never used any Zotac hardware before so I'm not sure of their reliability nor reputation. Seems like a good deal, though. Anyway, with the mobo, I initially picked out the seemingly highly rated Asus Gryphon http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=26_1207_1206_1201&item_id=061011 but the price is fairly high. I kind of need the two PCI-E slots but it's not a big deal really. I'm just looking for reliability mainly. My second choices were on the lower end with this Asus Z87M-PLUS http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=26_1207_1206_1201&item_id=061017 or this even less expensive Gigabyte board: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=26_1207_1206_1201&item_id=060883. They all seem fairly good, I am just at a loss as I've been out of the game for way too long. Is Micro ATX the way to go? I'm really liking the Corsair 350D case a lot as opposed to many ATX cases, but again, I'm just not sure. I do enjoy the smaller profile when it comes to Micro ATX. Thanks very much in advance for any advice possible (again), much appreciated!
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Ignoarints posted:I don't remember details, but I'm pretty sure that was the case for people who did it for a living, which I'm not saying you don't but there is probably a wide range in workloads. That said, most people have 16 gb and are happy with it. As a few people mentioned earlier, if you don't need the IGP, the E3-1240v3 is $30 cheaper (although 100mhz slower). The E3-1230v3 is $60 cheaper (200mhz slower). You 
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KillHour posted:As a few people mentioned earlier, if you don't need the IGP, the E3-1240v3 is $30 cheaper (although 100mhz slower). The E3-1230v3 is $60 cheaper (200mhz slower). I wonder if it will be a go to i7 recommendation now. Come to find out they used to cost almost exactly the same as their i5 counterpart :o. Practically a no brainer back then all else equal http://ark.intel.com/compare/65516,65732
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Ignoarints posted:I wonder if it will be a go to i7 recommendation now. They still pretty much do. http://ark.intel.com/compare/75043,75047,75054
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e: nevermind, for some reason I thought E3-1230v3 was an IB part. Hrm, how does vPro work if you don't plug a video card into the system? deimos fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Apr 9, 2014 |
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deimos posted:Isn't haswell around 5-10% faster per clock though? That would give the 4771 a bigger advantage than just 100-200MHz. Still might not be worth the price difference, but it's something to consider (along with power consumption, having to buy an older motherboard, etc, etc). The Xeon E3-xxxx v3 processors are all Haswell, and the 1230 is identical in hardware to the Haswell i7's with the exception of missing the IGP (it's actually fused off). The e3 and i7 also has 8MB cache; the i5 only has 6. http://ark.intel.com/compare/75122,75043,75047,75054 KillHour fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Apr 9, 2014 |
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Woops I always get microcenter prices for I5's and I7's in my head. They don't seem to sell v3 xeons unfortunately. To be fair, it's still a solid $50 increase from Newegg but it sure helps for people who want hyper threading but not a k model. Considering how intel prices stuff I'm pretty surprised its actually lower in cost than the i7 (although it makes perfect sense in reality). People probably wouldn't think twice if it cost more though deimos posted:e: nevermind, for some reason I thought E3-1230v3 was an IB part. remote terminal I'd guess (vpro is a lot of crap but I'm guessing this is what you meant) Ignoarints fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Apr 9, 2014 |
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Ignoarints posted:I have zero experience with it but once you look into 3d rendering its a totally new set of rules for hardware. People can consistently use more than 16gb with real actual 3d rendering work (not just benchmarks). The argument tends to be whether 32 gb is worth it or not, some people scrap everything and get what they need for 64. Hypertheading nets you about 20-30% improvement in speed with 3d rendering benchmarks. That's about all I know though Yeah thats consistent with my research on the matter. I think 16 GB and i7 or Xeon would be decently adequate for CPU driven stuff like Maya. I think what makes it difficult is new tech is being developed all the time. Maya is pretty CPU/Ram intensive, but Blender and some of the newer technologies for Maya(like https://www.redshift3d.com/) and others favor GPU more. Guess depends on what you use. Hell Zbrush is still 32 bit only for whatever reason so 16GB is way overkill for that. It seems really hard to optimize a system unless you know which specific software you want to work in. But meh, I guess if you get a decent all around system its prob fine and if you are a professional working for a company, you probably have that stuff nailed down so that you know exactly what you need. whats a 10 min render compared to a 5 min render anyways for the rest of us? I mean if its under 20 min for an intensive scene that's prob good enough if you aren't faced with strict deadlines and what not. JuniperCake fucked around with this message at 23:24 on Apr 9, 2014 |
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This may seem like a silly question but - is there any advantage or disadvantage anyone can see over picking this https://www.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/GTX760DCMOC2GD5/ over http://www.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/GTX760DC2OC2GD5/ to replace a now sadly showing its age a bit Asus 6850? Only reason I'm considering the mini version is that I built my pc (using this amazing thread) about 2 1/2 years ago and in ATX... The only upgrade I can foresee in the future is possibly moving to a smaller case and I had a thought that if I bought the mini version I could use that whereas a full size card may have issues. Or am I over thinking this? The non mini is currnently £172 at amazon. And also I presume I should see some benefit in the upgrade - paired with i5 2500K, 8gb and SSD. Gaming at 1080p.
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I guess the gist of my question is... will it boot without a graphics card at all so I can shove ESXi on it and make a lab out of it (without spending 4771 money).
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Coxswain Balls posted:What's wrong with the knockoff units? The one I got from DX has worked great for over a year and didn't force me to buy another controller I didn't need. The only hassle is a slight modification to the official device driver so it sees the 3rd party unit, but otherwise it functions exactly the same as the first party adapter. Yeah, there's some jiggery pokery you have to do with reinstalling and disabling/enabling the driver every time you unplug it, but it works fine when it's going.
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Beast posted:This may seem like a silly question but - is there any advantage or disadvantage anyone can see over picking this The larger card is still going to fit in the vast majority of cases, even most ITX cases will support it. The tradeoff between the two cards is the the smaller one will run hotter and louder, since it only has one fan that will have to work hard to keep the card cool. The smaller also likely has less overclocking headroom.
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Many thanks - will grab the full size version after payday!
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I'd like to plug the Antec GX700 for the OP. I built a system in one last fall and it was a really nice case at a very cheap price point. 50 bucks gets tool-less and customizable HDD trays, fits 11.5' GPUs, can fit a hyper 212, support for dual 120mm top fans or a 240mm rad. Even the materials were really good for a budget case. Metal clip on face plates for the drive bays, metal guard for the front intake. The asthetic is nice in my opinion as well, everything painted in a sort of military olive drab with a flip up access switch for the fan controller. A good case I would plug for anyone looking for a good budget solution. http://www.antec.com/product.php?id=706394&fid=5022074 letgomyAgo fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Apr 10, 2014 |
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The Lord Bude posted:Personally for me the improved picture quality of an IPS trumps the improved frame rate of 130hz any day, unless you're a pro gamer. You will need a 770 at least or maybe a 780 to be consistently hitting 120 fps at max details. Our gpu recommendations all assume 60hz monitor. Ignoarints posted:I'd probably even say 780+ for max settings on most modern games. I'd say 120 fps is downright rare even (at max settings). AA is a big contributor though. The thread's moved on, but I just wanted to say thanks for the advice. I haven't owned a gaming PC in years, so I have no real sense of where to pitch my expectations. I'll stick with the 760/U2412M. I might have been able to justify stretching to a 770, but I don't really want to go beyond that.
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Holy mother of god, did anyone else see the Recommended requirements for Watch Dogs PC? Recommended: OS: Windows Vista (SP2), Windows 7 (SP1) or Windows 8 (Please note that we only support 64 bit OSs.) Processor: Eight core - Intel Core i7-3770 @3.5 GHz or AMD FX-8350 X8 @ 4 GHz Memory: 8 GB RAM Graphics: DirectX 11 graphics card with 2 GB Video RAM - Nvidia Geforce GTX 560 ti or AMD Radeon HD 7850 DirectX: Version 11 Hard Drive: 25 GB available space Sound Card: DirectX 9.0c Compatible Sound Card with Latest Drivers Supported Video Cards at Time of Release: nVidia GeForce GTX460 or better, GT500, GT600, GT700 series; AMD Radeon HD5850 or better, HD6000, HD7000, R7 and R9 series Intel® Iris™ Pro HD 5200 Those are some weaksauce GPU requirements to go with that huge CPU requirement.
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The miniumum CPU requirement is a Q8400. I get that it's built on DX11, but I'll be very surprised if it's actually that demanding.
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letgomyAgo posted:I'd like to plug the Antec GX700 for the OP. I built a system in one last fall and it was a really nice case at a very cheap price point. 50 bucks gets tool-less and customizable HDD trays, fits 11.5' GPUs, can fit a hyper 212, support for dual 120mm top fans or a 240mm rad. Even the materials were really good for a budget case. Metal clip on face plates for the drive bays, metal guard for the front intake. The asthetic is nice in my opinion as well, everything painted in a sort of military olive drab with a flip up access switch for the fan controller. we aren't in the habit of recommending leet gamer crap that looks like it was designed by an acid tripping toddler and has crazy pants fan configurations , sorry. look at the recommendations we already have. Do you see a trend emerging?
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deimos posted:Holy mother of god, did anyone else see the Recommended requirements for Watch Dogs PC? the new middle earth game is even crazier... It recommends a core i7 3770 and a gtx670. Minimum is i5 750 and gtx 560.
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z06ck posted:That's pretty funny cause the 3770 is not 8 core they're counting hyper threading as being 2 cores so as not to confuse consumers with facts.
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The Lord Bude posted:we aren't in the habit of recommending leet gamer crap that looks like it was designed by an acid tripping toddler and has crazy pants fan configurations , sorry.  Was expecting the worst but honestly that gx700 doesn't look so bad if you like a pseudo "military" color scheme. I've seen waaaaaay riced out poo poo happily bought by people in the last thread. But I much prefer a black rectangle. I got owned for admitting liking the antec "300 two" though, even though I still stand by it for the price. That gx700 can do big radiators though Ignoarints fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Apr 10, 2014 |
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Ignoarints posted:That gx700 can do big radiators though It has less radiator area than some mATX cases like the 350D or the Arc Mini R2.
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deimos posted:It has less radiator area than some mATX cases like the 350D or the Arc Mini R2. as opposed to the three hundred two*** I very much forgot to say
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Hace posted:The 270X blows the 660 out of the water, and you should be able to find Rosewill Capstone 450W at around $50 on Newegg.
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Looks like Newegg has just started shipping to Australian customers. Australian Goons can save hundreds of dollars on the components for a new PC, even with shipping factored in. Remember though that American consumer protection law is complete garbage, so do this at your own risk - you won't have nearly the same level of protection if something goes wrong with your stuff down the line.
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The Lord Bude posted:Looks like Newegg has just started shipping to Australian customers. Australian Goons can save hundreds of dollars on the components for a new PC, even with shipping factored in. Remember though that American consumer protection law is complete garbage, so do this at your own risk - you won't have nearly the same level of protection if something goes wrong with your stuff down the line. Hahaha, great news but terrible timing. I'll just have to console myself with the fact that buying domestically brings me under the ACL.
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Ignoarints posted:Video card is an easy one for games. You can probably spend half of your new budget on this without wasting money. 770 or 280x, etc Thanks a bunch for your thoughts. I'll probably end up upgrading the video card and maybe buy a nicer monitor. Overclocking is not a thing I'm looking at because I don't think it will benefit me much. Also since this would be the first computer I'd be building I'm not sure I should go straight for overly complicated setups. The SLI mobo + doubling up on the GPU sounds good too though, because I'm seriously considering dropping my console for gaming as I'm hearing nothing but poo poo about this generation's machines.
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+$300
This is just what I'd do personally if I wanted matx based on the original build