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Discendo Vox posted:...they were put on a list that is read to the player at the beginning of the game?How on earth is Killer Croc an "assassin"? Well yeah, what other justification you need aside of 'Batman is hunted because a bounty is put on him', and why croc can't be an assassin? quote:What does Anarky have to do with anything? He's a consequence of the power vacuum on Gotham. quote:Arkham City framing device does a way better job of explaining the presence and motivations of its different villains, with the possible exception of Azrael. Really? I honestly felt AC's like someone just crammed famous enemies on the plot just because. Black Mask is a glorified cameo, Bane is an AWFUL take on the character, the Joker's hogging the spotlight as usual, Strange was wasted, the whole thing with Clayface was a little contrived... AO's story while a little symplistic and by the numbers was more streamlined and with few logic jumps needed to made sense.
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The Joe Man posted:AO is probably one of the worst games I've ever played and aside from the billion technical issues, the story is hamfisted dogshit. If AO is one of the worst games you've ever played, I envy you.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Really? I honestly felt AC's like someone just crammed famous enemies on the plot just because. Black Mask is a glorified cameo, Bane is an AWFUL take on the character, the Joker's hogging the spotlight as usual, Strange was wasted, the whole thing with Clayface was a little contrived... Read the darn plot explanation post, I spent hours on addressing this stuff. It's not that AC needed "logic jumps", it just requires paying attention and thinking through the different elements. AO is a mess of plotholes that punishes thinking about its content, themes or the motivations of its characters.
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Discendo Vox posted:How on earth is Killer Croc an "assassin"? quote:If it was just "X is insane" it would be a dumb cop-out, but in AC each character's insanity provides the motivations for their actions. Freeze is specifically obsessed with finding a cure for/protecting his wife. His actions all make sense when understood through that lens. Batman is only actually able to reason with Freeze once he's returned to his wife. quote:Why does Mr. Freeze destroy the only thing that could keep Batman healthy enough to save his wife? Batman returns with the formula from Ra's. Freeze locks up one vial of the cure and destroys the other, and then asks Batman to go save Nora in exchange for the cure. Batman tells him to gently caress off, they fight, then they find Harley took the cure. Freeze gives Batman some upgrades, and says that they both deserve revenge on The Joker. It's a bunch of characters irrationally fighting instead of talking (which I'm okay with, especially given how cool the fight is). I don't think it's a plot hole, but I don't think your version was correct either.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:He'll kill people for money? Doctor Spaceman posted:That isn't what happens though. I'm sorry if my exact response was incorrect, I was working from my own memory and questions provided by, iirc, hobgoblin's criticisms. That said, his demand that Batman go save Nora makes sense from his perspective- either Batman dies and Joker will hopefully give Nora back, or Nora is rescued and the cure stops mattering. Freeze starts helping batman because he has no other way to get his wife back- the Joker betrayed him. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 08:55 on Apr 8, 2014 |
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Discendo Vox posted:Well, we've got the sniper assassin, the drug cartel assassin, the mercenary assassin, the martial artist assassin, the big mercenary assassin with other motives, the explosives expert assassin, the inexplicable joke character used to justify a plot device, and... Croc was also hired to break into Blackgate, and is responsible for a lot of the damage you see there in the tutorial. Black Mask / The Joker used Croc because he needed a super strong guy. quote:That said, his demand that Batman go save Nora makes sense from his perspective
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While we're all laughing at Croc for being a dumb guy that hits people with rocks, let's remember that Batman dies in Arkham City from being crushed by a rock (if Catwoman doesn't save him). Also, this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsRHW5n99K0 Discendo Vox posted:What does Anarky have to do with anything? Anarky fits into Arkham Origins by building off of the corrupt cops of Batman's earlier years. A better counterargument would have been "What does Alberto Falcone contribute to the game, considering he disappears and is never mentioned, nor is his father shown to be sending people to retrieve him after his disappearance". Blueberry Pancakes fucked around with this message at 15:32 on Apr 8, 2014 |
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Apr 8, 2014 15:24
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Anarky fits into Arkham Origins by building off of the corrupt cops of Batman's earlier years. No, the better counter would be the audio logs telling us exactly what we knew. Shocking that Loeb was corrupt right? It coulda been nice to have a plot twist in there. The only one remotely plot twisty was that Bullock was originally spying on Gordon for Loeb, but then said "gently caress that noise"
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Batman returns with the formula from Ra's. Freeze locks up one vial of the cure and destroys the other, and then asks Batman to go save Nora in exchange for the cure. Batman tells him to gently caress off, they fight, then they find Harley took the cure. Freeze gives Batman some upgrades, and says that they both deserve revenge on The Joker. I think what was happening there was that when Batman meets Freeze earlier in the game Batman basically tortures him for information. (Removing his little cooling pod and pushing around a weak and frail man) Once Freeze had the cure he probably figured he could do the same thing, so he breaks one vial of the cure so he can feel a bit of power over Batman again. It backfires horribly, but Freeze had revenge on the mind.
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bunnyofdoom posted:The only one remotely plot twisty was that Bullock was originally spying on Gordon for Loeb, but then said "gently caress that noise" I think that's Bullock's backstory in the comics, actually.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Anarky fits into Arkham Origins by building off of the corrupt cops of Batman's earlier years. 
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:I think that's Bullock's backstory in the comics, actually. Oh, it was during the Silver Age. However, most who play the games are more familiar with his from BTAS, (especially since they got his VA back), where that wasn't his backstory.
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redbackground posted:Alberto Falcone is the Gotham Knight I'm hoping it's Joe Chill because that would be pretty rad.
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Apr 8, 2014 17:29
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Who are the couple that Batman freaks out about in Origins, I think it's the last Case File?
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Excels posted:Who are the couple that Batman freaks out about in Origins, I think it's the last Case File? I think the who is irrelevant. They're nobodies. It's where the murder takes place (Crime Alley, site of the Wayne murders) that matters.
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Apr 8, 2014 18:12
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He says stuff like "I knew them," and gets all distraught over the radio, I was curious if they were close friends of his or something. But I guess it was just a reference to his dead parents.
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Excels posted:He says stuff like "I knew them," and gets all distraught over the radio, I was curious if they were close friends of his or something. But I guess it was just a reference to his dead parents. They were his socialite friends. AKA his occasional alibi/drinking buddy.
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Who wants Cold, Cold Heart footage? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmLCRMbHe5w
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Apr 9, 2014 22:36
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Arkham Knight really needs to get more variety for the voices of their random goons. Cartoon Brooklyn accent goon, Other Cartoon Brooklyn accent but also kind of dumb goon, generic exasperated goon, and gravelly voiced goon are getting old.
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Apr 9, 2014 22:44
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I dunno, man, I like beating the poo poo out of Bender seven times in a single ten-man encounter.
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redbackground posted:Who wants Cold, Cold Heart footage? Well golly gee do I hate that new Batsuit.
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Apr 9, 2014 22:48
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Okay, so if Freeze is working with another crime boss, like that video said, it looks like the Cold, Cold Heart DLC is picking up where the Penguin story left off.
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It at least looks like it has more variety than Harley's Revenge at the very least.
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redbackground posted:Who wants Cold, Cold Heart footage? Sounds like LaMarche is back, which is great. The only person Freeze will ally with would be Penguin. But thinking about it, even if Freeze isn't an assasin so wouldn't really fit in with the main story, at least then they could have said Mistuh J for the DLC. Mind you, whatever way they worked Joker in would have had someone howling.
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Hopefully it is penguin. I am kind of butt hurt that when I was playing the game, Penguin pretty much just says peace out and is never heard from again.
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Timeless Appeal posted:Arkham Knight really needs to get more variety for the voices of their random goons. Cartoon Brooklyn accent goon, Other Cartoon Brooklyn accent but also kind of dumb goon, generic exasperated goon, and gravelly voiced goon are getting old. I genuinely like that all of the games have similar sounding goons. It's like Batman is beating the everloving poo poo out of the same dozen guys over and over for his entire career.
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Cheap Vodka posted:I genuinely like that all of the games have similar sounding goons. It's like Batman is beating the everloving poo poo out of the same dozen guys over and over for his entire career. "I'm not a bad guy!I just make bad choices!" over and over and over and over
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Cheap Vodka posted:I genuinely like that all of the games have similar sounding goons. It's like Batman is beating the everloving poo poo out of the same dozen guys over and over for his entire career. The picture of Dorian Goon. John DiMaggio is found dead in his apartment, beaten into a tattered mess- a portrait of himself, smiling and wearing a clown mask, torn and discarded on the floor beside him.
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It sounds like Freeze refers to someone named Boyle at one point, who's that likely to be?
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I imagine his opposite. Mr. Freeze, meet... Ms. Boyle. 
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Apr 9, 2014 23:18
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It refers to Ferris Boyle, the other villain of Heart of Ice from BTAS. Fun fact, Mark Hamill voiced him, and that's why he's the Joker.
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IIRC, Boyle was the person who initially betrayed freeze and led to his own condition in botht he comics and the animated series.
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Discendo Vox posted:IIRC, Boyle was the person who initially betrayed freeze and led to his own condition in botht he comics and the animated series. For some reason, I always think of Daggett, but that was Clayface. Sometimes, I wish at least one of the villains could have a happy ending 
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blackguy32 posted:For some reason, I always think of Daggett, but that was Clayface. Sometimes, I wish at least one of the villains could have a happy ending The Riddler kinda did in his first appearance.
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I personally love the new batsuit. It looked silly from behind (which, arguably is how we'll see it most of the time) but framed up it looks badass.
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a cock shaped fruit posted:I personally love the new batsuit. It looked silly from behind (which, arguably is how we'll see it most of the time) but framed up it looks badass. Until you see the feet, and he looks like Mega-man and it doesn't really lend it self to back flips and acrobatics. e: Actually, its quite funny if you view all the games in chronological order, and suits, abilities, and gadgets all appear to be lost or forgotten between games. Trickjaw fucked around with this message at 01:20 on Apr 10, 2014 |
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Trickjaw posted:Until you see the feet, and he looks like Mega-man and it doesn't really lend it self to back flips and acrobatics. Yeah, saw the boots in the gameplay footage and they were clompy as hell. Didn't overly bother me, I just imagine they utilise stealth ice crampons so he can sneak on slippery surfaces.
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If Boyle is the guy I think he is, don't see how Wayne would let him be humanitarian of the year, which has to be the tie up. But then, Cobblepot wouldn't get that either. Saw some guy shaking hands in the video, but didn't recognise him. Maybe Quincey Sharp 
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It is a little bulky for my taste, I kept thinking how heavy it must be whenever he would glide anywhere in the video. The video makes the DLC look fairly sizable but I have a feeling that there isn't much more to it than what we've already seen and it is going to be pretty short.
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Ohhhhh, So that's the suit that you could find by accessing the console.
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