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Helldump Immunity. posted:Looks like NATO is going on the offensive. On Facebook. NATO's making a pretty strong case for Russia here...
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Helldump Immunity. posted:Looks like NATO is going on the offensive. On Facebook. Should have used comic sans.
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/11/syria-chemical-weapons-inspection-team-probe-attackquote:The international body tasked with destroying Syria's chemical weapons arsenal says it will investigate new opposition allegations that regime forces have used banned chemicals in at least three attacks since January if the claims are referred by an appropriate state authority. http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5104784 quote:JERUSALEM, April 7 (Reuters) - Israel Radio said on Monday that Israel has evidence backing Syrian opposition accusations that forces loyal to President Bashar al-Assad had used non-lethal chemical weapons in Damascus last month.The report quoted an unidentified senior Israeli defense official as saying there were two attacks on March 27, using a "neutralizing chemical weapon", east of Damascus and at another location. http://sn4hr.org/blog/2014/04/10/government-forces-use-poisonous-gases/ quote:“About 11:00 PM we started receiving some injured people from A-Kou’ after it was shelled, the victims were suffering from psychological disorders, disorientation, eye irritation, and blurry vision. These symptoms were different from the symptoms we came across during the chemical attack against Ghouta back in August. These symptoms suggest the possibility that Al-Assad regime may have used bombs carrying quinuclidinylbenzilate (BZ), however we weren’t able to confirm these speculations. The attack killed seven victims and injured 32 others.
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Apr 12, 2014 10:03
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Helldump Immunity. posted:Looks like NATO is going on the offensive. On Facebook. Russia contained. Now if hollywood can bring back Russia as the main blockbuster bad guy we can all sleep well at night. quote:syria stuff So now that Russian help is presumably off the table, is the US going to ramp up military aid to the non-islamist rebels? And increase in the risk of getting dragged into an air campaign or Turkey doing something stupid?
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Apr 12, 2014 14:44
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Looks like the Russians have moved into East Ukraine. Coordinated attacks on government buildings in multiple cities, by the same 'little green men' in matched uniforms with expensive new gear as in Crimea. Reports of seizures of armories and key rail depots. https://twitter.com/noclador/status/454936795541553152/photo/1 https://twitter.com/NiBeroeva/status/455026227527442432/photo/1 They're also apparently going after journalists and taking / wiping memory cards, for what that's worth. Here's Michael McFaul (US recent ex-ambassador to Russia)'s Twitter, he thinks it's the Rus: https://twitter.com/McFaul/statuses/455048876559314944 Obviously no one has officially said they're Russians yet, but this ambiguity was maintained in Crimea until the referendum.
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Apr 12, 2014 21:01
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Interior minister Arsen Arkov accuses Russia of arming protesters, promises operative response https://www.facebook.com/arsen.avakov.1 Bad Google translate; quote:Electricity on-line .
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Apr 12, 2014 21:20
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Snowdens Secret posted:Looks like the Russians have moved into East Ukraine. Coordinated attacks on government buildings in multiple cities, by the same 'little green men' in matched uniforms with expensive new gear as in Crimea. Reports of seizures of armories and key rail depots. What's the endgame here? The Russians just move in tanks and helicopters and annex eastern Ukraine as well? What possible benefit is there to them doing so? I can at least see Crimea as a consolation prize for losing Kiev since it has strategic value and whatnot but eastern Ukraine is just a big hunk of land and seizing it by force does not seem to benefit Russia in any way aside from making people hate them even more.
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Apr 12, 2014 21:49
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They don't have access to Crimea unless they go through Ukraine. This also gives them more control over the gas passing through Ukraine.
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Apr 12, 2014 21:53
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Fojar38 posted:What's the endgame here? The Russians just move in tanks and helicopters and annex eastern Ukraine as well? What possible benefit is there to them doing so? I can at least see Crimea as a consolation prize for losing Kiev since it has strategic value and whatnot but eastern Ukraine is just a big hunk of land and seizing it by force does not seem to benefit Russia in any way aside from making people hate them even more. Nationalist pride? Putin has been working the literalist 'it all belongs to Mother Russia' thing for quite a while.
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Snowdens Secret posted:Looks like the Russians have moved into East Ukraine. Coordinated attacks on government buildings in multiple cities, by the same 'little green men' in matched uniforms with expensive new gear as in Crimea. Reports of seizures of armories and key rail depots. Based on what pictures are out, I think it's just a handful of Russian operatives amongst a bunch of militia yahoos. Militia yahoos most definitely under Russian control, but not the same Spetsnaz dudes we saw in Crimea. Lots of older gear, mismatched uniforms, poorly laced boots, cool-guy poses, and old fat men. I think it's a variation of the Crimean strategy, ramping up with the lunatic fringe rather than their own special operations. As for why, I'd assume either they had no choice, or they want their lunatic militia to go off the rails and start something. Or, they expect them to get arrested and they need the deniability.
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Apr 12, 2014 22:07
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It is speculative at this point but again like I said it seems like they're deliberately exercising media control, presumably to slow (Western) response.
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Apr 12, 2014 22:31
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In North Korea news:
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Snowdens Secret posted:It is speculative at this point but again like I said it seems like they're deliberately exercising media control, presumably to slow (Western) response. That picture is literally the only picture of a guy there who matches though. The rest look like standard militia idiots: http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-liveblog-day-54-gunmen-storm-police-buildings-in-east-ukraine/#1733 edit: also I'm not sure that picture is even verified to be recent. It matches so exactly to Crimea I wonder if it is just a Crimean picture. The source seems to be some random twitter account with an unknown backer / agenda. Best Friends fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Apr 12, 2014 |
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Apr 12, 2014 22:53
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Best Friends posted:That picture is literally the only picture of a guy there who matches though. Wasn't that the same thing in Crimea? Bumbling, bearded and fat local militiamen up front, suspiciously competent and well organized "militiamen" backing them up and taking care of the serious stuff? The whole point being deniability. And while some suspicion of sources and agendas in this kind of propaganda environment is prudent, I think the current situation does put a finger on the scale of likelihoods. If armed gangs were seizing government buildings without support or approval from Moscow as part of their plans, I'd expect the Russians to say so. (what the hell the end game of those plans are is anyone's guess) Courthouse fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Apr 12, 2014 |
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Apr 12, 2014 23:14
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Pretty much all the "mysterious gunmen" of Crimea looked bored, professional, uniform, and had the latest and greatest Russian gear. I think Russia is behind this new group of armed men as well but I do not think this new group of armed men is primarily Spetsnaz, unless Spetsnaz has started accepting old fat bearded men and young men who don't know how to tie boot laces.
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Apr 12, 2014 23:21
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Best Friends posted:unless Spetsnaz has started accepting old fat bearded men and young men who don't know how to tie boot laces. All part of the maskirovka!  It appears the ones accused of being Russian forces are manning the roadblocks leading to the city, blocking Ukrainian police from arriving. These are the guys making sure to relieve people of their cameras and cellphones. While the militias inside the city seem more happy instagramming themselves. Obviously lacking any photos or video to corroborate this makes it hard to substantiate... The local police chief has been forced by the militias to hand in his resignation. One or two (?) more police stations/posts seem to have been taken over. The rest of the local law enforcement seems to have evaporated.
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Apr 12, 2014 23:58
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If only was Caro was here to confirm they were spetznas.
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Apr 13, 2014 01:32
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Iseeyouseemeseeyou posted:If only was Caro was here to confirm they were spetznas. I really hope Caro is somewhere splitting wood (without shirt on) and he gets convinced by a Ukrainian Colonel to come out of retirement 
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Apr 13, 2014 03:35
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Helldump Immunity. posted:I really hope Caro is somewhere splitting wood (without shirt on) and he gets convinced by a Ukrainian Colonel to come out of retirement He's splitting in to tree food, probably naked in a mass grave in Syria. Sooooooo, silver medal, I guess
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Apr 13, 2014 04:35
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It's a good thing the main focus on cnn is that loving plane that some morons drove into the ocean over a month ago. Caro was pretty brave to go into multiple warzones with only government oversight instead of government support.
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Apr 13, 2014 05:17
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Snowdens Secret posted:It is speculative at this point but again like I said it seems like they're deliberately exercising media control, presumably to slow (Western) response. Are those ACU ammo pouches? wtf? Why? Were they the cheapest?
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Apr 13, 2014 06:13
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ded posted:Caro was pretty brave to go into multiple warzones with only government oversight instead of government support. I'm not sure that schizophrenics being suicidal counts as bravery. LimburgLimbo fucked around with this message at 14:44 on Apr 13, 2014 |
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Apr 13, 2014 10:03
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What happened to Caro in the end?
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dogmaan posted:What happened to Caro in the end? http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/kevin-patrick-dawes/view We don't know. No one does. Probably dead.
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Apr 13, 2014 14:22
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Mr. Nice! posted:http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/kevin-patrick-dawes/view That's depressing, the guy was obviously ill, why was he not stopped after Libya?
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Apr 13, 2014 14:27
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dogmaan posted:That's depressing, the guy was obviously ill, why was he not stopped after Libya? Who was going to stop him, and how would they do it? Dude had a passport and money to travel. Not much that can really be done to protect someone from themselves in this situation.
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Apr 13, 2014 14:33
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I imagine TFR goons having wet dreams over that concerned citizen guy.
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Apr 13, 2014 17:47
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Mr. Nice! posted:Who was going to stop him, and how would they do it? Dude had a passport and money to travel. Not much that can really be done to protect someone from themselves in this situation. IIRC, the first time he tried to enter Syria, he got busted by the Turks and deported. In all likelihood, Caro is probably dead or in a position where he wishes he was. Looking back on his videos from Libya, that civil war seems like a backyard airsoft game compared to Syria's.
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Apr 13, 2014 17:57
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Kiev has given until early monday for the separatists to disarm, after which it is sending in the army. Russia has called for an emergency meeting of the security council and calls the ultimatum a criminal act. If I understand the timezones right the meeting will be just an hour before the time Kiev set is up.  http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/04/13/uk-ukraine-crisis-idUKBREA3709O20140413
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Courthouse posted:Kiev has given until early monday for the separatists to disarm, after which it is sending in the army. Russia has called for an emergency meeting of the security council and calls the ultimatum a criminal act. If I understand the timezones right the meeting will be just an hour before the time Kiev set is up. If the Navy guys would do their goddamn jobs and find that stupid airplane then maybe we would be able to focus some attention on Ukraine.
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Apr 13, 2014 21:19
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Would Putin really be stupid enough to go after eastern Ukraine? I doubt that his Oligarch buddies would like the consequences of that.
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Courthouse posted:Kiev has given until early monday for the separatists to disarm, after which it is sending in the army. Russia has called for an emergency meeting of the security council and calls the ultimatum a criminal act. If I understand the timezones right the meeting will be just an hour before the time Kiev set is up. http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/04/13/uk-ukraine-crisis-idUKBREA3709O20140413 posted:... acting president Oleksander Turchinov gave rebels occupying state buildings until 0600 GMT to lay down their weapons. http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/04/13/uk-ukraine-crisis-idUKBREA3709O20140413 posted:Russia's foreign ministry called the planned military operation a "criminal order" and said the West should bring its allies in Ukraine's government under control. "It is now the West's responsibility to prevent civil war in Ukraine," the ministry said in a statement. "Look what you force me to do!" *invades Ukraine*
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I feel like I'm getting a crash course in Realpolitik from Putin, all the events in Ukraine keep making me more cynical and I'm not sure anything would surprise me at this point, especially given his ties to Andropov. I also found an article that seems to suggest that at least 5 Russian MPs who are openly calling for a return of the Soviet Union via suggesting that Gorbachev be investigated for treason for breaking up the USSR.. quote:A group of Russian MPs have formally requested prosecutors to investigate former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev for treason over the breakup of the Soviet Union, a lawmaker said on Thursday.  I know that five dudes in the Duma aren't a reliable basis for any kind of judgement, but I still find it interesting. I'm so curious what the endpoint of this madness is.
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Apr 13, 2014 23:52
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whole bunch of russians miss the soviet union
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friend of the family DEATH TURBO posted:whole bunch of russians miss the soviet union DND misses it too 
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genderstomper58 posted:DND misses it too DND could use a good purge or two.
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MrYenko posted:DND could use a good purge or two. you will be the first against the wall in russia's america
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Lord Tywin posted:Would Putin really be stupid enough to go after eastern Ukraine? I doubt that his Oligarch buddies would like the consequences of that. Why would it be stupid? Who's going to stop him? There's a bit of a pattern with Russian troops sitting around holding their dicks by the border of a former Soviet state and professional troublemakers stirring poo poo up on the other side. Putin's done all sorts of things that seriously hurt Russia's oligarchs. He's not afraid of them. The ones that said anything have wound up in bad places.
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Mortabis posted:Why would it be stupid? Who's going to stop him? Because we would steal all of his friends' money and crush Russia's economy. Even Europe would stop being candy-rear end bitches when the Russian Army is bumping up along Poland's border.
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Zeroisanumber posted:Because we would steal all of his friends' money and crush Russia's economy. Even Europe would stop being candy-rear end bitches when the Russian Army is bumping up along Poland's border. http://www.the-american-interest.com/articles/2014/04/12/ukraines-debt-and-putins-upper-hand/ quote:Either way, Russian capital, public and private, is in effect financing at least 6 percent to 11 percent of all European bank lending.
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