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Shaocaholica posted:Thanks for the tip on the newer tech batteries although those are in the same range as apple batteries. I was about to plunk down the $30 for an eBay battery. How are those? I've bought one for a friend and it's been fine but no real scientific comparison and she needed something right away since her original A1175 expanded and popped the battery case. If you're going to keep it as long as possible I'd recommend just getting the Apple one cause like you said, they're not that much more. Random cheap third party ones are a big gamble, they could be fine but it seems like many fail pretty quickly in some way, sometimes catastrophically (insert exploding battery stories here).
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Based on Intel's processor roadmap, is there a credible chance we will see a new rMBP in June? As opposed to later?
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Any opinions on getting the 2011 time capsule as opposed to the new one? It's $55 for 802.11ac instead of 802.11n and a few other things, but I'm not sure if I'd really take advantage of any of it. I just want to do backups and store videos on it. http://store.apple.com/us/product/FD032LL/A/refurbished-time-capsule-2-tb http://store.apple.com/us/product/FE177LL/A/refurbished-airport-time-capsule-2tb
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Lexicon posted:Based on Intel's processor roadmap, is there a credible chance we will see a new rMBP in June? As opposed to later? You might get a small (~.1-.2 ghz) speed bump on existing Haswell macs, but Broadwell won't be released until Q4 2014 at the earliest according to Intel's roadmap.
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Apr 12, 2014 22:38
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fleshweasel posted:Any opinions on getting the 2011 time capsule as opposed to the new one? It's $55 for 802.11ac instead of 802.11n and a few other things, but I'm not sure if I'd really take advantage of any of it. I just want to do backups and store videos on it. I would never recommend anyone pay $200 for three-year-old router technology. (Also, I'm not sure you can use it to arbitrarily store files? I know it doesn't have a built-in iTunes server, unfortunately.)
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Apr 12, 2014 22:50
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The new Time Capsule is pretty drat awesome and even if you don't have an ac device at least it's future proof. It'll probably last you over 5 years.
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Apr 12, 2014 23:00
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Intel does have their Haswell refresh coming up. I think that's in June.
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Apr 12, 2014 23:26
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poo poo. I just wonder whether the new one has a bunch of capabilities I really don't need. I guess I might be able to stone two birds if it's possible to use it to extend my wireless network.
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Apr 12, 2014 23:40
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This is kinda vague: quote:An ideal use would be a commuter who uses her notebook on the train, then plugs it in at the office to charge. This keeps the battery juices flowing. So an in ideal scenario you are using the computer for an hour or two each day on battery and have it plugged in the rest of the time?
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Apr 13, 2014 00:16
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ironlung posted:So an in ideal scenario you are using the computer for an hour or two each day on battery and have it plugged in the rest of the time? This comes up every once in a while and it's BS. There is nothing in particular you need to do for your battery life outside of maybe actually using it once a month until it wants to be recharged. Just use the drat thing as you please and when you need a new one, it's $129. And for the love of god, use an Apple replacement battery. My 3 year old 17" is at 86%  .e: Also ask yourself if it's really worth it to have to go through weird contortions in order to save maybe fifty bucks of usage over several years on a machine that costs at least a thousand. Mr. Smile Face Hat fucked around with this message at 00:41 on Apr 13, 2014 |
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Apr 13, 2014 00:23
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ironlung posted:So an in ideal scenario you are using the computer for an hour or two each day on battery and have it plugged in the rest of the time? No, their point is the ideal scenario is don't leave it plugged in all the time. Plenty of people do that - plugged in at work, off on the drive home, plugged in at home (or just plugged in at work/home if the poor thing never moves). Good way to murder the battery in the long run.
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Choadmaster posted:No, their point is the ideal scenario is don't leave it plugged in all the time. Plenty of people do that - plugged in at work, off on the drive home, plugged in at home (or just plugged in at work/home if the poor thing never moves). Good way to murder the battery in the long run. Every battery gets murdered in the long run. And that thing about leaving laptops plugged in has to come up every time also. I have always followed this advice: http://www.apple.com/batteries/ posted:Exercise Your Machine That's it. And again, nothing is stopping anyone from going through arcane battery rituals. Just keep in mind that lots of them are left over from times when batteries used to work differently. Mr. Smile Face Hat fucked around with this message at 01:49 on Apr 13, 2014 |
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I leave my mac plugged in most of the time and after a couple years, Coconut Battery places me at 101% for my battery's age.  
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Voodoo Cafe posted:edit: god damnit, you guys are quick. I forgot there was a MBP with the thumb tab. I typically only see the plain MacBooks with that configuration. And only the 15" (and maybe 17") 2009's used pentalobe. The 13" definitely used tri-wing.
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ironlung posted:So an in ideal scenario you are using the computer for an hour or two each day on battery and have it plugged in the rest of the time? Basically you are supposed to make sure to burn through a cumulative 100% per month. So theoretically unplugging it long enough to go down a few percent every day is all you need to do to keep it working right, which practically everyone does without trying. The only thing you can really do wrong is to keep it plugged in all of the time. Literally all of the time, not just almost all of the time. withak fucked around with this message at 04:56 on Apr 13, 2014 |
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Apr 13, 2014 04:54
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Doctor Zero posted:I leave my mac plugged in most of the time and after a couple years, Coconut Battery places me at 101% for my battery's age. When was the last time you fully cycled your battery? If you fully cycle it once I image that will change quickly.
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In my ANECDOTAL experience I've found that people who leave their MBP's / MBA's plugged in literally continuously will notice their laptops will refuse to take a charge within 7-10 months, then cry over the fact that they claim nobody told them that leaving the machine plugged in would ruin their battery. And they usually discover it's ruined right when they finally disconnect it from power before that trip to Europe, and they find it runs out of juice in half an hour's time as they're waiting at the boarding gate.
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Apr 13, 2014 05:12
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Then again, lots of planes have power outlets even in economy nowadays. I honestly don't have that many occasions where there's at the same time no power outlet within reach and it's not at the same better to use my iPad/iPhone. As someone who has their stuff mostly plugged in (but I do discharge them once a month and my batteries are working just fine, thank you), I've noticed that every now and then the charger LED turns yellow and the battery shows a less than full charge. So there's definitely some auto-discharging going on.
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Apr 13, 2014 06:58
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flavor posted:I've noticed that every now and then the charger LED turns yellow and the battery shows a less than full charge. So there's definitely some auto-discharging going on. That's just natural self-discharge. Unlike NiCd or NiMH it's not safe to continuously trickle charge lithium ion batteries to keep them topped off at 100% (think: fire), so LiIon charge controllers usually let them self-discharge down to 95% or so before kicking in the charger to put them back up at 100%.
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BobHoward posted:That's just natural self-discharge. I guess batteries get lonely sometimes...
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withak posted:Basically you are supposed to make sure to burn through a cumulative 100% per month. So theoretically unplugging it long enough to go down a few percent every day is all you need to do to keep it working right, which practically everyone does without trying. Ah okay I see then. I don't leave it plugged in literally all the time. I do unplug it and move it around, but I leave it plugged in overnight and when I'm not using it.  Kingnothing posted:When was the last time you fully cycled your battery? If you fully cycle it once I image that will change quickly. It's been a while, I admit. I guess I should.
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Apr 13, 2014 13:36
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flavor posted:Every battery gets murdered in the long run. Hey fucktard, that's literally the same piece of advice from the same loving source - Apple. They're even consecutive loving sentences in ironlung's link - if you don't naturally use it in a way that ensures it is periodically run off the battery (they call this ideal because it is no extra hassle), then you should cycle it at least monthly as a maintenance routine (this is not ideal because it is a scheduled chore - an "arcane battery ritual" if you will). It simply boils down to Don't leave your laptop plugged in all the time. And every human dies in the long run. I'd rather do it at 80 than 40.
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Choadmaster posted:It simply boils down to Don't leave your laptop plugged in all the time. poo poo, I haven't discharged my MBP in like 2 years. Battery health reports 85% though. Whee. At least I know how to replace it if I need to.
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Choadmaster posted:fucktard literally loving loving loving colloquial loving language loving isn't loving literally that loving precise, so if you loving tell loving people they loving can't loving literally loving let it loving plugged in all the loving time, they might loving take it to literally mean that they literally loving can't loving do it, when it just loving means they loving have to heed the loving advice of loving discharging the fucker at loving least once a loving month. (I'm sure Martin Scorsese would be proud.) Anyway, that's all I meant. I apologize if that made you feel bad. It just looks like over the years batteries have become more reliable. I had some weird battery warnings on my mid-2009 13" that I've since sold. Haven't had anything similar since.
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flavor posted:Anyway, that's all I meant. No, you explicitly disagreed with Apple's own "ideal" usage advice, calling it "BS." And apparently you think people will interpret "don't leave it plugged in all the time" as "never plug it in" or something similarly stupid. I gave a very clear work-home example, context is your friend.
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Choadmaster posted:No, you explicitly disagreed with Apple's own "ideal" usage advice, calling it "BS." And apparently you think people will interpret "don't leave it plugged in all the time" as "never plug it in" or something similarly stupid. I gave a very clear work-home example, context is your friend. No, context is your friend. The "BS" response was in reply to the person who said "So an in ideal scenario you are using the computer for an hour or two each day on battery and have it plugged in the rest of the time?". Read it further above. And about plugging it in "all the time": Expressions like that, when used in tech, sometimes need some additional explanations. People will say "I leave it plugged in all the time", but that can mean they either actually leave it plugged in 24/7/365 or only most of the time. Hence it's not so dumb to cover possible cases. When people say "X is in his office all the time", they don't actually mean that either.
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flavor posted:No, context is your friend. The "BS" response was in reply to the person who said "So an in ideal scenario you are using the computer for an hour or two each day on battery and have it plugged in the rest of the time?". Read it further above. Except that was a decent summary of Apple's ideal scenario. The point of my response was that he doesn't need to be precise about it: it doesn't have to be daily, and it doesn't have to be exactly an hour or two, you just need to make sure it isn't plugged in 24/7/365 (that's literally what "all the time" means). Lithium-ion batteries are under the most stress and degrade most quickly at full charge. If you keep your battery constantly at full charge, you lose capacity quickly: depending on temperature (and MacBooks can get warm) 40-50% within a year. This is why Apple, and every other manufacturer, recommends a 40-50% charge for storage purposes. Charge cycles also cause degradation, but at a much slower pace. Apple claims 1000 cycles before you lose 20% capacity, so even at 2 full charge cycles/day your battery is better off. Your battery will be much healthier if it gets decent use - Apple's suggestion of "at least" once cycle per month is the bare minimum rather than the ideal, which Apple makes pretty explicit in the quote that started this whole thing. flavor posted:And about plugging it in "all the time": Expressions like that, when used in tech, sometimes need some additional explanations. Like, say... Choadmaster posted:plugged in at work, off on the drive home, plugged in at home (or just plugged in at work/home if the poor thing never moves). ?
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Choadmaster posted:Lithium-ion batteries are under the most stress No u. Honestly, it's all good, I'm not holding any grudges and everyone is welcome to do what they want with their batteries. All I can say is that my strategy of using the batteries at least once a month has served me well on five MBPs/rMBPs, so I guess to each their own. And they also get warm. The thing I'm typing this on has 86% after more than three years. Peace to all.
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flavor posted:No u. I have to grant you that, not my best week. We should move on to sitting in front of a warm fire, enjoying our (unplugged) MacBook's ability to serve up all-you-can-eat tentacle rape porn, just like our grandpappies did.  Er, not in the same room together of course. That would be gay. Um, which is to say we're all really progressive here and it's totally cool if you happen to be gay, I just mean.. I can't win here. 
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Can't we all just make the usual car analogy and move on?
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Choadmaster posted:I have to grant you that, not my best week. We already have the batteries getting warm, remember? And yeah, I get stressed out too sometimes. carry on then posted:Can't we all just make the usual car analogy and move on? I've never really liked the "important" people who need to say that kind of thing in these kinds of situations. If you have something else we can discuss, just bring it up and the thread will move on. Neither of us were going to dwell on the battery thing forever, and you know it. I'm wondering if there will be a new MBA announced in June, and whether it's going to be worth it compared to last year's.
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flavor posted:I've never really liked the "important" people who need to say that kind of thing in these kinds of situations. If you have something else we can discuss, just bring it up and the thread will move on. Neither of us were going to dwell on the battery thing forever, and you know it. Get over yourself dude, seriously. Stupid snippy arguments generally either get other questions ignored or discourage posting altogether as anyone with a question doesn't want to get involved. For what it's worth I would have no problem if someone with actual domain knowledge of battery technology posted an informed answer to the original question about battery capacity over time, but back and forth anecdotes and quoting one page off Apple.com gives no one useful information. And no, I doubt there will be a new/redesigned MBA because I'm pretty sure those are the cash cows, like the Power Macs used to be back yonder.
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carry on then posted:For what it's worth I would have no problem if someone with actual domain knowledge of battery technology But a million "HEY IS 8GB ENOUGH FOR ME KTHX", followed by a free for all of anecdotes is better? I don't see you jumping on those. Also, this is a discussion forum, it's not just for the experts in the field. What you're looking for is a wiki or an FAQ. Additionally, it's possible to discuss several topics at the same time, which is always going on here anyway. In any event, we were done with our subject, no need for you to comment on it. --- Okay so the rumored redesigned MBA will not come out because it's a cash cow... got it.
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Mac Hardware megathread: Batteries and gently caress YOU SHUT UP. Serious business.
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flavor posted:Okay so the rumored redesigned MBA will not come out because it's a cash cow... got it. You are just a treat, aren't you?  Have you tried having a discussion without condescending to everyone involved? I'm saying they're likely not going to make some fundamental, Mac Pro level change. That's "new" to me. They might do a bit of an upgrade, but I highly doubt retina displays are to the point they want them to price/battery life vs performance to include across the entire laptop line. And even the retina Pros didn't bring that large of a physical redesign, more of a refinement.You might say they still want airs to lead in..... battery life 
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carry on then posted:You are just a treat, aren't you? It would be fun to have the MBA in a Mac Pro kind of form factor. Maybe like a soda can, using an iPad as the display via AirPlay. But no, I was talking about the rumors of a 12-inch with no clickable trackpad and with a retina display. And somehow they were able to deal with the battery life of the retina iPads also, so I'm not that convinced that it'll be a problem. And that would be a new MBA as opposed to just a spec bump. I was under the impression that it's safe to call redesigns "new".
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mike- posted:What would no clickable trackpad mean? A touchscreen? I need to correct myself, it's buttonless, but still clickable and would look and feel like a button. The rumor was here: http://www.macrumors.com/2014/03/21/12-macbook-air-updates-iwatch/ So it'll feel like a button without having one. And the whole thing would become even slimmer.
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Does anyone know why people make some sort of inextricable link between homosexuality and Mac products? Mac products can't hold sexual orientations, so I'm flummoxed as to why someone would buy me red text like this.
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sports posted:Does anyone know why people make some sort of inextricable link between homosexuality and Mac products? Mac products can't hold sexual orientations, so I'm flummoxed as to why someone would buy me red text like this. idk they're not saying you're gay, you could possibly be a woman you pissed someone off, poo poo happens. i don't know how long you've been on the internet but people get pretty worked up about computer companies
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