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Was going through an old box of Betamax tapes I picked up from my grandparents many moons ago. Found a tape full of 1970s era Buick Dealer Training films, converted from 35mm. About two hours of glorious vintage time wasters for anyone who is interested. Sorry for the quality, but to go from 35mm to Beta to Youtube over a 40 year span and still be watchable is still pretty impressive. 1972 Skylark https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BCXR22h_kM 1973 Lighting Options https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqcwyDKX9Gg 1973 Quality Assurance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdEFMEATu60 1973 Regal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FOtoZm-ltE 1973 Riviera https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdbILmu1t9s 1973 Traction Control and Cruise Control https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKozAIgESPw 1973 Station Wagons https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahpbuIHPHDI 1974 Airbags https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyYdUQl1WNc 1974 Century https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPcHvgZIHcE 1974 Emission Controls https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49wUkwVaB6I 1974 Options and Accessories https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tBgCD_OVv0 1974 Performance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiPStKBa-jo 1975 - A Hallmark of Quality https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Efq7w5Ig6BM 1975 Opel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k137n9Ztt9k 1975 Riviera https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VuK0gaUa40 1979 Riviera https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8zI_AjGm3I Goober Peas fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Apr 14, 2014 |
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Extra posted:No clue why but watching stuff like this is cathartic. Did not expect it to do nearly anything it did, except load cars. Also, Buick doesn't hold back on testing their wagons, load up 100lb bags of CHEMICALS and hit the track.
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Extra posted:No clue why but watching stuff like this is cathartic. It's so simple, but makes so much sense! That could be rugged up for under a grand, not counting the deck.
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Extra posted:No clue why but watching stuff like this is cathartic. Aww they didn't show him getting out of the box car (I want to say its a daihatsu??) - He would have had to climb through the boot for sure.
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Goober Peas posted:70s movies Hahah thank you for these. I love this type of stuff. Extra posted:No clue why but watching stuff like this is cathartic. That is impressive.
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Extra posted:No clue why but watching stuff like this is cathartic.
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tobu posted:Aww they didn't show him getting out of the box car (I want to say its a daihatsu??) - He would have had to climb through the boot for sure. Or just the rear door?
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I was like, why isn't the bed the only part that moves, that's dumb as fu--- Then it happened.
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Something about a boss https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQmBOIrmsXQ
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Chris Harris takes us for a ride in the greatest car ever made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76ktMcCDZvk
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No torque wrench? What the gently caress is wrong with them! 
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KozmoNaut posted:Chris Harris takes us for a ride in the greatest car ever made: It would awesome be bumble around the wisconsin countryside in one. I want it.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eXUnZrykDY blowing up on reddit at the moment what a steaming pile of poo poo and gently caress Porsche for being cheap
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Looking at that list, and the time line, I'm amazed they didn't buy it back a couple months ago just so they could tear it apart and figure out WTF was going on with that car. Given how well documented the ongoing issues are, it would be a true P/R and financial disaster for them if it had some new fault that caused him to get injured in a collision too.
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That car is beyond hosed up, holy poo poo. There's lemons, it happens. That thing isn't a lemon, it's possessed by a loving poltergeist. The smoke out of the passenger door is loving awesome, that's a new level of hosed up out of a new car. I wonder if that thing suffered flood damage somehow before he took delivery, we got a ton of never sold dealership cars at our auction after Sandy, and they all exhibited some or all of the same problems. Not starting, electrical components malfunctioning/operating by themselves/not operating at all, and smoke or spontaneous fires. It really does strike me as a flood car. e- Yup, that entire list is all electrical components, I'd bet ten bucks that thing was partially submerged somewhere along the line. loving weird. e2- Where is that guy at, his accent led me to believe he was in Europe but he said Porsche North America. If that's a northeast car, and he got it early 2013, that car is a Sandy victim, I'm sure of it. Even Porsche dealers are scummy enough to sell cars unannounced after Sandy, it's been a huge issue I've dealt with since then with dozens of cars at the auction. If it was a flood victim, that car is never going to be repaired satisfactory to the owner and it should be purchased back by Porsche and crushed. This is exactly why that happens to flood cars instead of being sold to a recycler and parted out. e3- Actually, that's probably exactly why Porsche is dicking him over. If it was just gremlins they could attempt trade assistance and get him in a similar car, and take that one to auction and wholesale it as used to get some money back (or make a profit). If it gets branded as flood and they are responsible for it, since the damage occurred while it was still within the model year of production, it would be required by law to meet its fate with the crusher and Porsche would be out of pocket the cost of a new 911. It all really points to a flood car and specifically a Hurricane Sandy victim. Seizure Meat fucked around with this message at 04:59 on Apr 17, 2014 |
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VikingSkull posted:e- Yup, that entire list is all electrical components, I'd bet ten bucks that thing was partially submerged somewhere along the line. loving weird. Agreed that it seems like it's a car that's been submerged at some point, though usually if that happens there'd be a lot more residual sand in the car in various areas that'd be a surefire giveaway that it happened. Honestly I don't know why he hasn't simply hired a lawyer and/or done whatever is required by CT to file the car for Lemon Law because over 60 days for a car that's under a year old is loving ridiculous.
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The sand would only appear in an area where sand is also around, and it's entirely possible that no witness marks whatsoever would be under the trim. Even the seat tracks wouldn't rust as fast if it was a freshwater flood, and we had tons of that in the Hudson Valley after Sandy and the two other storms in the past few years. We've had a handful of cars come through that had no witness marks whatsoever and were only arbitrated for flood after intense research showed that other cars sold at the same dealer were claimed on the dealers insurance as total losses. We ended up getting the buyer out and sticking the seller back in the car due to electrical faults we blamed on flood damage based on the insurance history of other cars located at the sellers in a similar timeframe, and no actual evidence in the specific car other than the electrical faults. Sandy played havoc with auto sales in certain areas here the past few years, and southern Connecticut was ravaged by Sandy. If that's where he is, and that car is a 2013 with a 2012 production date, I'm confident it's a Sandy victim.
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That guy needs to stop driving that 911 immediately because there's a good chance it will burst into flames one day or if he's in an accident the airbag system will not deploy properly if at all. He's taking a huge risk every time he drives it and he needs to stop and lawyer up ASAP. That car will kill him if he doesn't.
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I'd have to cast doubt on your claim that a car can be a freshwater flood victim with no obvious signs. We had massive overland flooding just last summer and you can literally smell the machines that were affected at auction. The interiors are completely destroyed with comprehensive wads of mud, even the cars that were far from the riverbanks. Someone definitely would have noticed something like that, if not during PDI, then during the initial disassembly. Admittedly, maybe some cars got 'lucky' and were just submerged in relatively low turbidity water, but that seems like an outsize chance considering the cars I saw. I think it's probably something like a supplier issue (note the point he makes about a damaged/corroded harness from stress fracture) that has many pervasive issues across the car. The ease of water intrusion is probably also another clue - I bet there's a computer or two in that footwell. Agreed he should immediately stop driving it and lawyer up.
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Although flood damage would explain some things he ordered that car with some very specific options that make it unlikely that it was one sitting on a lot. I'm guessing he picked it up within a day or two of it entering the US. e: thousands of dollars in loving stitching for example. e2: that sounded a lot more harsh than I intended. The stitching on that car does look nice and if you've got the funds and desire to customize your car to that degree then by all means. I'm more irritated at Porsche's option pricing but that's hardly a new complaint. Galler fucked around with this message at 05:26 on Apr 17, 2014 |
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Seat Safety Switch posted:I'd have to cast doubt on your claim that a car can be a freshwater flood victim with no obvious signs. We had massive overland flooding just last summer and you can literally smell the machines that were affected at auction. It's very rare that a car will not exhibit some signs of flooding, but if a car sits in only a few feet of gently flowing water on a parking lot, and is immediately taken apart, dried properly and detailed quickly and competently, you'd never know. Being that it's a Porsche and was likely ordered new, the chances of that kind of effort being taken are high. Even leaving the windows down in a particularly heavy thunderstorm can result in flood damage and a flood branding. Another example we've had is a Bentley Continental we got in a few years ago that was in a collision. Usually you'll see a tape line in the door jamb, or scratched paint on bolts that were turned, but this particular car was stripped down completely, painted on all jambs, inside and outside of removed panels, and they even applied tape to the bolts when they took them off so there was no damage to the paint. When it was all back together it looked factory, and was almost completely flawless, I only caught it because I saw the remnants of a slight run in the clear coat that wasn't taken completely out on the bottom of the door. After looking closer, a small area above the fog light on the front bumper had excessive orange peel, and that was it. I grabbed the paint meter and that threw mil readings that were inconsistent and out of tolerances on every panel, just barely. The whole car was a repaint, and you'd have to be a pro to have found it. I'm probably wrong about it being a Sandy car. I feel like there's less of a chance I'm wrong that those malfunctions in the 911 are the result of water damage. e- also, he points out that the car has water on the passenger floor mat on a rainy day, but doesn't say if that's a new phenomenon or if he's ever noticed it before. I wish I had more info from the dude, there's no way a brand new car should have that many systems failing simultaneously like that. Seizure Meat fucked around with this message at 05:31 on Apr 17, 2014 |
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VikingSkull posted:I wish I had more info from the dude, there's no way a brand new car should have that many systems failing simultaneously like that. The accessory electrics are one thing but the crank sensor and and more importantly seal replacement leads me to believe there was an oil leak from factory which is pretty scary. Preoptopus fucked around with this message at 06:23 on Apr 17, 2014 |
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VikingSkull posted:e- also, he points out that the car has water on the passenger floor mat on a rainy day, but doesn't say if that's a new phenomenon or if he's ever noticed it before. I wish I had more info from the dude, there's no way a brand new car should have that many systems failing simultaneously like that.
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real_scud posted:I thought he said the water on the floorboards was a new thing that happened after he just recently got the car back from Porsche. Maybe there was danger to his manifold and they had to fix it. It has all come to this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL--ArNDw0Q
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I agree with the people on reddit saying someone who makes a 911 competitor should swoop in and give him one of their cars. For the cost of a car, every car website and magazine would eat that poo poo up. Im sure companies have paid way more for less effective advertising.
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real_scud posted:His youtube account says he's a Kiwi transplant who looks like he lives in Connecticut if his plate is to be believed. Looks like southern Fairfield County judging by where he's driving on I95 and The Merrit Parkway. This would back up the flooded by Sandy theory if it weren't a special order. Galler posted:e: thousands of dollars in loving stitching for example. And a $5,000 stereo  . I can completely understand though. If I had saved up for five years for my dream car I'd want it exactly the way I liked. That has to make getting a complete lemon so much worse.Between the flooded footwell and excessive wind noise on the highway I'd guess the the seals are hosed and it's flooding itself more than it shows.
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SFH1989 posted:$5,000 stereo Highend car stereos are amazingly expensive. He's got a B&W, but the B&O system available on Mercedes, Aston Martin and Audi costs the same or more. For instance, it's a $6300 option on the Audi A8. It sounds bloody amazing, though.
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That does make sense. I never think about how much something like that can cost since I've never cared about car audio. Although maybe I should since 90% of the time I listen to music it's while I'm in the car. I never realized how expensive 911's were, always thought they started a good bit under 100k. The Carrera S starts at 98k and the way his is optioned brings it to around 140k.
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I wouldn't be at all surprised if that IS a flood car. To add to what VikingSkull said - the worst possible thing you can do to a car electrical system is submerge it with the battery connected. Absolute worst thing. Not only does the water wick up inside the insulation for multiple feet (just ask VW, do it right and you can get coolant all the way from the reservoir level sensor to the tail lights!  ) if a battery is left connected it significantly speeds up corrosion. I know of multiple Sandy victim vehicles that had the harnesses literally fall apart because they sat in seawater with the battery connected for a few days, there was simply no solid copper left inside the wiring in many spots.Even when it doesn't corrode everything severely, the remaining salt and sludge nestled into the harness attracts moisture, being somewhat hygroscopic, and dirty water/damp salt is quite a conductor. You will never, ever, EVER get all the electrical gremlins out of a saltwater (or even many freshwater) flood car, not without complete replacement of anything with a wire in it. And since it's all saturated deeply into all the pinch welds and under the carpet, you're looking at severe, nearly unrepairable chassis corrosion issues within years, as well. This is why flood cars are crushed, and why I avoided Sandy victims when buying parts at the junkyard during that time period.
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My friend who worked at a Porsche dealer for ages said that if it was a flood car there'd be no way the dealership would cooperate with Porsche in trying to cover up that fact. So could it just come down to the fact the car was built in a really shoddy way and that's why everything is failing in spectacular fashion. Maybe the last quality control guy was asleep on his shift when he signed off on the car.
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Is it possible that the owner could have done something to gently caress the car up? It seems unlikely that the dealership would have spent so much time and money fixing it if he had done this, but these problems seem absurd, and everybody has been really quick to jump to this guy's defense after hearing his story.
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real_scud posted:My friend who worked at a Porsche dealer for ages said that if it was a flood car there'd be no way the dealership would cooperate with Porsche in trying to cover up that fact. Your friend may have worked for a respectable dealer, and certainly higher end dealerships skew more towards that end than the local have job will finance dealership. However, to state unequivocally that a dealership and manufacturer wouldn't collude to gently caress over a customer is a bold statement. I have anecdotal evidence, too, since I work at a large auto auction. We're only open to people with a dealers license, and some of our main corporate accounts are the manufacturers themselves, such as Ford Motor Company. We sell thousands of cars a week. I've seen both current model year cars with flood damage or structural damage that occurred at and was fixed on the factory floor. They were then sold at auction from the dealer who had the car on floorplan to another dealer without branding the title as such. The flood car actually should have been crushed immediately, by law. Volkswagen damaged a car at the factory so bad that it needed a new quarter panel installed which required the partial replacement of the C pillar, and then was shipped to the dealer who ordered it. This should have been documented and sold with a used vehicle title, again, by law. Instead, the dealer discovered it, confronted VW, and sent the car to us. We discovered it when writing a condition report on the vehicle and announced the frame damage. The VW rep went to our then assistant general manager (this rep was a douche the size of a small moon) and raised holy hell about how it was going to kill the resale value (it would). Our AGM then went into our system and removed our frame announcement. So a VW with less than 10 miles on it was sold without announced frame damage, on a new car title, to another dealer in order to return money to the first dealer to pay off his floorplan after VW tried to screw him on a car they damaged and repaired themselves. Eventually, it's fair to assume, a customer who knows nothing about cars then walked in to the second dealers storefront and bought said car at full price with a clean title completely unaware that it had a major structural repair done to it. Wojcigitty posted:Is it possible that the owner could have done something to gently caress the car up? It seems unlikely that the dealership would have spent so much time and money fixing it if he had done this, but these problems seem absurd, and everybody has been really quick to jump to this guy's defense after hearing his story. Absolutely this is possible, however since Porsche hasn't commented on this story yet to my knowledge, we only have one side to go on, and like I said yesterday the symptom list in that video is consistent with a car that has had some kind of water damage done to it. I've seen no proof as of yet that the customer caused this, but anything is possible. e- just to be clear, that VW deal wasn't done maliciously I don't believe, it probably simply started as a clerical error on VW's part, then the local VW rep tried to make good on it through us, and we let it slide because at the time VW was a large customer of ours running 5-600 cars every two weeks through the lanes. The buying dealer was satisfied with the car as it never came back for arbitration, and as far as I can tell the only person who was screwed was the customer at the retail level. In a way, they weren't even screwed, because it was a competent repair performed at the VW factory by an accredited VW technician. In the long run it's just a bunch of paper shuffling but you can see how easy it is for a factory and a dealership to wipe the slate clean on a problem car, despite literal laws being on the books preventing such things e2- this is why Carfax etc etc shouldn't be used as the sole point of research when buying a used car e3- kastein posted:This is why flood cars are crushed, and why I avoided Sandy victims when buying parts at the junkyard during that time period. We had a Chrysler dealership send us cars from north Jersey where basically their entire inventory was sent to the crusher, and out of the 150 or so we got, about 30 of them suffered from spontaneous fires while they were with us. Mostly minor stuff like the dashboard smouldering and melting without any open flames to a brand new Durango that burned to the ground, taking most of the two cars adjacent to it with it to the (even earlier) grave. Some other fun faults were the windshield washer pumps continuously operating without someone pressing the stalk in as soon as a jump box was connected to the battery, to a power seat motor frying itself by continuously operating when the box was attached. By far, the best, most hilarious thing we had happen to any of the cars were three separate 300C's that decided to deploy the airbags immediately after the second cable from the box hit the battery terminals. And I mean they went off. Took the glass out and everything, scared the everloving poo poo out of me, thank God no one was in the cars each time. Sadly, another dealership sent us a brand-new at the time 2013 Shelby GT500 convertible and two Boss 302's that happened to have been in standing water slightly lower than their rocker panels. However, since that dealership was declared a total loss as well, all three were sent to the crusher to comply with the insurance payouts. Needless to say, I may or may not have dumped the clutch in the Shelby at 5500 rpm on a particularly quiet and lonely Saturday when I was the only employee on a 40 acre property. gently caress this is a long post. Seizure Meat fucked around with this message at 08:05 on Apr 18, 2014 |
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Also, to attempt to get this rapidly derailing thread back on track before the mods hammer us like the NTSB does to Amtrak, here's a street-driven, 1700hp twin turbo LSx powered Firebird with the most stable wheelstand and 7 second passes I've ever seen.
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I haven't quite finished the whole video yet but this guy has an alarmingly high failure rate at shifting (and is a godawful, unsafe driver) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrZXKtMFS6w drukqs fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Apr 18, 2014 |
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