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Literally The Worst posted:I hate his loving face. I don't mean that in a facetious way I mean I literally hate his face and want to hit it. Lame, dude. Jesse Plemmons is tops.
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I spent about 5 hours today marathoning the last few episodes of the 6th season of Mad Men, and I'm in love. I liked the show a lot, but I think the 6th season is my favorite yet. The set design and cinematography are as great as always, but I feel like things are finally turning against Don, and he may actually be learning. Plus Pete gets poo poo on a LOT, which I'm a fan of. Now to avoid spoilers for season 7A.
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Apr 14, 2014 05:37
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X-Ray Pecs posted:I spent about 5 hours today marathoning the last few episodes of the 6th season of Mad Men, and Plus Pete gets poo poo on a LOT, which I'm a fan of. He also puts in maybe the greatest line reading of the entire series.
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Apr 14, 2014 05:45
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LesterGroans posted:He also puts in maybe the greatest line reading of the entire series. I'm wrapping up the sixth season as I type this and nothing is coming to mind. What?
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morestuff posted:I'm wrapping up the sixth season as I type this and nothing is coming to mind. What? Probably this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSZd6MnEuLw Although if I have to pick one great line reading, it's gotta be Don whining like a baby: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skkVhu0xKc0 Edit: I can't find a Youtube clip of Ginsberg quoting the Bhagavad Gita, and Benson's response, which is another great moment. Season 6 Mad Men is so good. X-Ray Pecs fucked around with this message at 06:02 on Apr 14, 2014 |
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I'm starting to get real sick of the dismissive criticism that a film is "emotionally manipulative." What does that even mean? That the movie uses music and imagery to evoke specific feelings in the audience? Like every other movie ever made? "Emotionally manipulative" tells me nothing. It's not enough to say that the orchestra in Titanic swells during key scenes in order to make you feel sad. You have to explain why it doesn't work for you.
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Apr 14, 2014 06:02
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:The Raid 2 takes a while to get going, but when it does, it gets going Yes indeed. That was a fun loving movie. A bit long, but never boring.
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Apr 14, 2014 06:15
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weekly font posted:http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2014/04/13/2014-mtv-movie-awards-winners-list/7683295/ Thank god someone is finally recognizing World War Z!!
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Apr 14, 2014 06:15
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TrixRabbi posted:I'm starting to get real sick of the dismissive criticism that a film is "emotionally manipulative." What does that even mean? That the movie uses music and imagery to evoke specific feelings in the audience? Like every other movie ever made? I find your criticism problematic.
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Apr 14, 2014 06:15
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Yoshifan823 posted:Vargo, I finally watched Frozen tonight, and I caught this post from early on the movie's thread: Dude, Dickeye has a better taste in music than you.
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Apr 14, 2014 06:16
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CPL593H posted:What makes me sad about Melissa McCarthy is that she's one of those fantastic actors who gets nothing but poo poo material. Literally The Worst posted:I hate his loving face. I don't mean that in a facetious way I mean I literally hate his face and want to hit it. TrixRabbi posted:I'm starting to get real sick of the dismissive criticism that a film is "emotionally manipulative." What does that even mean? That the movie uses music and imagery to evoke specific feelings in the audience? Like every other movie ever made?
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Apr 14, 2014 06:17
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Saw "Down With Love" (2003, music: Mark Shaiman; dp: Jeff Croenweth; editor: Larry Bock) (seriously, check imdb for those 3) last night and it was really funny and charming. If you liked the Rock Hudson/Doris Day romcoms this is very inspired by them, complete with a familiar cameo. This title rules http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2093965/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_1 got any sevens fucked around with this message at 06:44 on Apr 14, 2014 |
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Apr 14, 2014 06:19
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effectual posted:Saw "Down With Love" (2003, music: Mark Shaiman; dp: Jeff Croenweth; editor: Larry Bock) (seriously, check imdb for those 3) last night and it was really funny and charming. If you liked the Rock Hudson/Doris Day romcoms this is very inspired by them, complete with a familiar cameo. That's a very unappreciated movie. The turn in the movie is one of the funniest, weirdest things, and the movie pulls it off gloriously. (And I hate the Hudson/Day comedies!)
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Apr 14, 2014 06:21
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Down With Love is incredible, and wonderful, and perfect. Although it's weird watching it and knowing Sarah Paulson and David Hyde Pierce are both gay.
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Apr 14, 2014 06:27
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effectual posted:Saw "Down With Love" (2003, music: Mark Shaiman; dp: Jeff Croenweth; editor: Larry Bock) (seriously, check imdb for those 3) last night and it was really funny and charming. If you liked the Rock Hudson/Doris Day romcoms this is very inspired by them, complete with a familiar cameo. Aw hell yes Down With Love is just spectacular.
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Apr 14, 2014 06:57
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TrixRabbi posted:I'm starting to get real sick of the dismissive criticism that a film is "emotionally manipulative." What does that even mean? That the movie uses music and imagery to evoke specific feelings in the audience? Like every other movie ever made? Yeah I've never found that persuasive. I mean I do get how people can go "oh that's too much" when a movie's laying it on really thick, but that's an aesthetic objection. There's no need to make it out like the movie's a reality show contestant trying to trick you into showing weakness. I have pretty much the opposite approach anyway, I'll give points to any movie that can make a hollow and jaded piece of poo poo like me actually feel something.
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Apr 14, 2014 07:00
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I was drunk and half asleep when this show came on about an alien played by "Fred". I thought I dreamt it. I did not. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w74dYZCUlYI
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Apr 14, 2014 07:04
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DNS posted:Yeah I've never found that persuasive. I mean I do get how people can go "oh that's too much" when a movie's laying it on really thick, but that's an aesthetic objection. There's no need to make it out like the movie's a reality show contestant trying to trick you into showing weakness. I have pretty much the opposite approach anyway, I'll give points to any movie that can make a hollow and jaded piece of poo poo like me actually feel something. The thing is that every movie is trying to be emotionally manipulative. What do you think Lynch is doing with the industrial ambiance in Eraserhead? What is Welles doing when he uses backlighting to cast characters in shadow during Citizen Kane? It is the nature of art to emotionally manipulate the audience. It's when a film fails to achieve the desired emotional response that is the problem. The job of the critic is to say why that film failed to elicit the response it was aiming to get. Most people just leave it at "manipulative."
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Apr 14, 2014 07:07
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DNS posted:Yeah I've never found that persuasive. I mean I do get how people can go "oh that's too much" when a movie's laying it on really thick, but that's an aesthetic objection. There's no need to make it out like the movie's a reality show contestant trying to trick you into showing weakness. I have pretty much the opposite approach anyway, I'll give points to any movie that can make a hollow and jaded piece of poo poo like me actually feel something. I thought The Majestic was a good example of a movie that others called manipulative that I found surprisingly heartwarming. I wouldn't call it a work of art, but it did its job better than I'd have expected.
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Apr 14, 2014 07:10
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I think this is connected by people's strange hatred of melodrama (but they love Star Wars).
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Not that I dislike the movie or anything, I really do enjoy it despite the problems, but Super 8 was one of those movies that had forced scenes of emotion for people. The alien is only one i kind of agree with. I do love the end though. But the alien always bothered me a little bit. Not enough to drat the movie but enough to go -  for a second.
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CineD should really put out a style guide with words to avoid, e.g. "overrated," "problematic," "pretentious," "boring," "manipulative"… I'd propose to release it in book form, but, well… 
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Overrated is the worst word you can use to describe a movie.
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CloseFriend posted:I can't find any instances where I used the word "manipulative" in a review, but I feel more-or-less the same as you. I would call it a work of art. I would call The Majestic a work of art.
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Dissapointed Owl posted:I would call it a work of art. Oh god, you again with The Majestic. I'm just going to shake my head sadly. I remember enjoying Down With Love but LOVING the costume and production design.
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CloseFriend posted:CineD should really put out a style guide with words to avoid, e.g. "overrated," "problematic," "pretentious," "boring," "manipulative"… I'd propose to release it in book form, but, well… "hamfisted" "took me out of the movie" I'm not even entirely sure why, but those two drive me up the wall. edit: and I'd argue in favour of "boring". It's not necessarily a criticism; Jeanne Dielman is definitely boring, but that's kind of the point.
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Let's just quit using words altogether when talking about films. If you can't relay your criticism of a film through scat singing, you don't really belong in Cinema Discusso.
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Dissapointed Owl posted:Let's just quit using words altogether when talking about films. If you can't relay your criticism of a film through scat singing, you don't really belong in Cinema Discusso. I initially read this as 'scat signing', and I'm still not convinced you didn't accidentally spell it wrong. Personally, though, I think a well placed .gif is really all the prowess you need to be a reviewer nowadays. My take on I've Got Your Number (1934): 
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Apr 14, 2014 12:37
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morestuff posted:I'm wrapping up the sixth season as I type this and nothing is coming to mind. What? Yeah, it's this: X-Ray Pecs posted:Probably this:
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Apr 14, 2014 12:56
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Vargo posted:As a reminder, I have been saying for years that the successor to Mad Men needs to be a '60s dramatization about the Marvel offices, called The Bullpen, starring Bryan Cranston as Stan Lee.
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Vincent posted:Until then I'll just have to read Marvel Comics: The Untold Story again. Just started rereading this again this morning. So good.
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Mr. Flunchy posted:edit: and I'd argue in favour of "boring". It's not necessarily a criticism; Jeanne Dielman is definitely boring, but that's kind of the point. Man, I don't know, if we can't call a film boring then we're entering a world that's really detached from the actual experience of watching the film. My policy is that the worst thing a movie can be is boring (unless it's the point - in which case I'll let Jeanne Dielman go).
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Mr. Flunchy posted:"hamfisted" I think the trouble with both of these is that while they're both valid problems to have with a movie, everyone (myself included) has a tendency for some reason to stop with those phrases and not go into the why/how of them.
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It's okay to be glib if you can back it up.
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I use "ham-fisted", but it feels like an odd one to complain about since it's almost always describing something specific. I guess it's kind of a dumb word, but I've always liked the visual image.
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TrixRabbi posted:I'm starting to get real sick of the dismissive criticism that a film is "emotionally manipulative." What does that even mean? That the movie uses music and imagery to evoke specific feelings in the audience? Like every other movie ever made? Things like this and so much of negative criticism always reminds me of Hume's is-ought problem. They fail to make an argument from the description of what the movie is to why the movie ought not to be that. Sprecherscrow fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Jul 31, 2014 |
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Yeah, there's nothing wrong with saying something took you out of the movie, or that a movie was boring but that also shouldn't be where your criticism begins and ends. Even the thing that brought this up, something being emotionally manipulative, is something that can be a legit criticism, but you need more than just that or else it's just not actually giving any information. Like when people are saying a movie is emotionally manipulative, they usually mean that the ways that it's forcing emotions are really obvious and kind of forced. It's a criticism that isn't so much about the concept of emotional manipulation but how badly it's being done. People tend to disconnect from a movie when it's trying really hard to make them feel a certain way about stuff that they just aren't feeling and that tends to also put people in a position where the strings are more apparent and distracting.
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Dissapointed Owl posted:Let's just quit using words altogether when talking about films. If you can't relay your criticism of a film through scat singing, you don't really belong in Cinema Discusso. DetoxP posted:Man, I don't know, if we can't call a film boring then we're entering a world that's really detached from the actual experience of watching the film. My policy is that the worst thing a movie can be is boring (unless it's the point - in which case I'll let Jeanne Dielman go).
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axleblaze posted:Yeah, there's nothing wrong with saying something took you out of the movie, or that a movie was boring but that also shouldn't be where your criticism begins and ends. Even the thing that brought this up, something being emotionally manipulative, is something that can be a legit criticism, but you need more than just that or else it's just not actually giving any information. Like when people are saying a movie is emotionally manipulative, they usually mean that the ways that it's forcing emotions are really obvious and kind of forced. It's a criticism that isn't so much about the concept of emotional manipulation but how badly it's being done. People tend to disconnect from a movie when it's trying really hard to make them feel a certain way about stuff that they just aren't feeling and that tends to also put people in a position where the strings are more apparent and distracting. The thing about manipulation is that literally every film does (or at least attempts) it. It's when a movie does it poorly that's the problem. I suppose manipulation would be better used to describe a film with a twist, like Vertigo or Mulholland Drive, where it leads you to believe and feel a certain way about its characters before suddenly ripping the floor out from under you. The filmmaker is deceiving you so that the reality of the situation hurts more when it's revealed.
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