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For the record I hope they keep Ward as a villain, but they've definitely planted enough seeds for doubt. There was that bit where they marched the hydra prisoners past the teams, and triplett is yelling at them, then Coulson pulls Ward aside to talk with him. Then the next thing is Ward volunteering to go. It seems like plenty of time to cook up a plan. On the other side though, it's just Ward and Garrett on that plane now, who's to say they can't/won't dump the bodies off before landing at the fridge? For better or worse it's still a coin toss until at least the next episode.
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DynamicSloth posted:Yeah not convinced they're cutting bait with Ward since he never uttered a "Hail Hydra," shooting a couple innocent people in the head can be explained away by mind control and the like but you really can't bring a character back from uttering a Nazi salute. Ok, again for dummies. If he said something like Hail Hydra, it would imply that he was one of the sleeper agent they had in the Shield, so on their side all along. He didn't so it could be that he just switched side in that moment, out of loyalty or something like that. And since he might just switched site in that moment, he maybe is just trying to set up some deep cover mission, either on his own or due to some secret orders by Hand. I thought it was TVIV who didn't undertand basic plot points.
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notthegoatseguy posted:They also showed how Victoria was specifically bleeding out. Pffft, pro wrestlers pull that stunt all the time.
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Apr 9, 2014 19:47
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Guest star news for AoS; in the April 29th episode Colbie Smulders is showing up as Maria Hill and Samuel L Jackson is coming back May 13th for the season finale.
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Apr 9, 2014 19:55
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If I had to take a guess I would go with a setup to get Ward into a Hydra cell. They've made enough mentions that he used to work alone out in the field so it should be his specialty. Also they get to turn his impulsive decision to kill the decoy into something that would help his cover.
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There's an interview with Brett Dalton (Grant Ward) on Marvel.com and interestingly enough they didn't tell him that he was Hydra until they were filming episode 15. Also he jokes about how when he was first pulled aside he thought they were going to tell him they were killing Ward off.
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Apr 10, 2014 02:40
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I think that is indicative that a lot of this was not really that deeply planned. They probably knew they wanted a traitor turn for later in the season, but they could have picked another character based on who they felt the audience would react to. Otherwise it doesn't make sense to not give an actor that information since it could seriously help their performance.
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Apr 10, 2014 22:23
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Now if they really wanted to make the audience care? Make Coulson be the HYDRA traitor and set him up as the show's big bad from then on!
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jng2058 posted:Now if they really wanted to make the audience care? Make Coulson be the HYDRA traitor and set him up as the show's big bad from then on! FUn fact: If he didn't have Agents of SHIELD they would have done so in TWS.
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Well drat, that'd have been cool. Of course if it meant he was taking of the Sitwell role he'd get squished by a truck which would have been a shame, but still it would have been interesting!
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This just popped up on their twitter https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/454381352201105408/photo/1 Love the combined Shield/Hydra logo.
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Apr 11, 2014 00:17
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SHYDRA? SHIELRA?
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Apr 11, 2014 00:20
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Paolo Rivera is too good for that show.
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bunnyofdoom posted:SHYDRA? SHE-RA?
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Agents of SHIELD wishes it could be as great as She-Ra.
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bunnyofdoom posted:SHYDRA?
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ToastyPotato posted:I think that is indicative that a lot of this was not really that deeply planned. They probably knew they wanted a traitor turn for later in the season, but they could have picked another character based on who they felt the audience would react to. Otherwise it doesn't make sense to not give an actor that information since it could seriously help their performance. I'm not sure how it would help his performance. He was supposed to come off as absolutely sincere. There weren't supposed to be any hints in his acting that he was a traitor. Ward's just that good of an undercover agent. And this eliminates all chances of the actor accidentally spilling the beans. Did you know that in that famous scene in The Empire Strikes Back, Dave Prowse didn't even know he was telling Luke that he was his father? He was given different lines to be dubbed over by James Earl Jones later, because he was notoriously bad at keeping plot secrets. Cnut the Great fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Apr 12, 2014 |
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That's a really common thing in stuff now. They don't tell actors that are going to die in Walking Dead that they are going to die until just before shooting. I think Game of Thrones is like that too, trying to keep the actors from spilling the beans over their and other characters deaths.
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ToastyPotato posted:I think that is indicative that a lot of this was not really that deeply planned. They probably knew they wanted a traitor turn for later in the season, but they could have picked another character based on who they felt the audience would react to. Otherwise it doesn't make sense to not give an actor that information since it could seriously help their performance. I'm pretty sure that this sort of thing is quite typical for serialized television circa 2014. Even if it wasn't, it's not as though extreme secrecy is atypical for this show - the pilot wasn't made available to critics or advertisers until months after the upfronts last year, which is almost unheard of. Barry Convex fucked around with this message at 00:10 on Apr 13, 2014 |
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They didn't tell Edward James Almos or the directors of Dexter that his character was a figment of Colin Hank's imagination which led to all sorts of other actors reacting to EJA and him interacting with props and poo poo. Which made that reveal stupid. Things that could help a character play his part better should be disclosed to them. Granted someone knowing they are going to die doesn't help them play their character better, but knowing that you are a traitor definitely could add some nuances to acting.
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The problem is Ward isn't a traitor as in actively working against the team. Hydra has been in SHIELD, since it's inception. He is an agent doing his job and missions given to him from up above. He wasn't activated until Cap(Well Zola, stupidly) exposed their plan and they sent out the Hydra activation command. Him secretly being Hydra doesn't change anything about how his character would act or behave.
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Waterhaul posted:Agents of SHIELD wishes it could be as great as She-Ra. Show would be 100% improved if Ward was replaced by Bow.
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twistedmentat posted:That's a really common thing in stuff now. They don't tell actors that are going to die in Walking Dead that they are going to die until just before shooting. I think Game of Thrones is like that too, trying to keep the actors from spilling the beans over their and other characters deaths. Even when they were filming Casablanca, Ingrid Berman had no idea who she was supposed to end up with for over half of the movie's filming and was merely told to "play it in the middle."
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Shawn posted:They didn't tell Edward James Almos or the directors of Dexter that his character was a figment of Colin Hank's imagination which led to all sorts of other actors reacting to EJA and him interacting with props and poo poo. Which made that reveal stupid. Things that could help a character play his part better should be disclosed to them. It could, but like I said, in this case there's really nothing it could have added. It made no difference either way. Ward wasn't meant to betray signs that he was a double agent--at least not through his mannerisms. And that's okay. I know it makes fans feel clever when they can use "hints" in characters' acting to predict plot turns, but there's no reason a superspy's real personality should ever have to break through the facade while the audience is looking. It's kind of refreshing that it didn't, to be honest. e: Think of it like this. Psycho Ward was basically doing the same thing as Brett Dalton: playing "Ward". You wouldn't expect "Ward" to suddenly fall away in the middle of an episode to reveal Brett Dalton, so why would you ever expect Psycho Ward to reveal himself, if he's half as good at his double agent job as a no-name actor is at his? Cnut the Great fucked around with this message at 01:49 on Apr 13, 2014 |
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And EJO interacting with props or people reacting to him isn't really all that problematic because if Colin Hanks was imagining him then he was imagining those inconsistencies happening as well.
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greatn posted:And EJO interacting with props or people reacting to him isn't really all that problematic because if Colin Hanks was imagining him then he was imagining those inconsistencies happening as well. It can be done fairly naturally. Buffy had a villain that could pretend to be the dead, but couldn't touch anyone or anything other than seeming to be on solid ground. When a character comes around whose fate was unknown last time we saw, it's fairly carefully done where you don't notice that they don't hug anyone or touch anything. Then again, this was for 3/4 of an episode, not for half a season where people are going to be looking for hints like that.
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twistedmentat posted:That's a really common thing in stuff now. They don't tell actors that are going to die in Walking Dead that they are going to die until just before shooting. I think Game of Thrones is like that too, trying to keep the actors from spilling the beans over their and other characters deaths.
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Dexo posted:The problem is Ward isn't a traitor as in actively working against the team. I like this angle, obviously working with Coulson and company has worn off some of his professional detachment but his core is still a trained wetwork agent. Didn't Whedon play around with something like this in Buffy? Garrett would be really smart to not have Ward come anywhere near Coulson and Skye again if he has any smarts besides "one time I shot this dude with a flare gun".
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Cross-posted from the SHIELD TVIV thread: Deadline is reporting that Agent Carter may not only be picked up, but may serve as a bridge between two halves of SHIELD S2. Seems plausible, since this is is exactly the scheduling model ABC was originally going to try with OUAT in Wonderland, before Paul Lee stupidly changed his mind and decided to run it alongside the original show. Anyway, this would make a lot of sense. It would allow SHIELD to run with minimal interruption (one long hiatus is a hell of a lot better than a half-dozen smaller ones), thus addressing one of the main complaints about S1, and would avoid the problem of having two Marvel espionage shows running concurrently. I like it.
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This sounds like a pretty good plan. Though it wouldn't stop horrible scheduling around Feb-March because of stupid sweeps and things like March Madness.
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At least next year there wouldn't be an election or an olympic interfering with things.
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twistedmentat posted:That's a really common thing in stuff now. They don't tell actors that are going to die in Walking Dead that they are going to die until just before shooting. I think Game of Thrones is like that too, trying to keep the actors from spilling the beans over their and other characters deaths. Uhhhh, I hate to tell you, but Game of Thrones has been thoroughly spoiled. You can go online and download incredibly detailed descriptions of like, the next three seasons.
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boom boom boom posted:Uhhhh, I hate to tell you, but Game of Thrones has been thoroughly spoiled. You can go online and download incredibly detailed descriptions of like, the next three seasons. For that matter, a number of the actors have admitted just buying the book to find out what happens to them. Granted, some haven't, but it's not like they can keep the actors from reading books that have been out for over a decade. Hell, some of them may have read 'em before they were even cast!
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bunnyofdoom posted:SHYDRA? Yo Jobra!
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jng2058 posted:For that matter, a number of the actors have admitted just buying the book to find out what happens to them. Granted, some haven't, but it's not like they can keep the actors from reading books that have been out for over a decade. Hell, some of them may have read 'em before they were even cast! I will never understand how the Tv show that's a faithful adaptation of a very popular best-selling book series spawned a fandom so psychotic about avoiding spoilers
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boom boom boom posted:I will never understand how the Tv show that's a faithful adaptation of a very popular best-selling book series spawned a fandom so psychotic about avoiding spoilers Sadly, its because not many people read for pleasure anymore. 
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boom boom boom posted:I will never understand how the Tv show that's a faithful adaptation of a very popular best-selling book series spawned a fandom so psychotic about avoiding spoilers I see you haven't tried reading one of the books.
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jng2058 posted:Sadly, its because not many people read for pleasure anymore. It's not like many people read for pleasure in the past either. There was a very narrow band of time after literacy became widespread, but before A: television got good and B: internet porn. Mr. Maltose posted:I see you haven't tried reading one of the books. I haven't tired watching the show either, because I'm not a nerd.
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boom boom boom posted:I haven't tired watching the show either, because I'm not a nerd. You're posting on a forum for a comedy website in a specific section about superhero television shows. Sorry, that's way more nerdy than "I watch a popular TV show on HBO." Don't self hate, accept your nerdity and move on with your life.
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boom boom boom posted:I will never understand how the Tv show that's a faithful adaptation of a very popular best-selling book series spawned a fandom so psychotic about avoiding spoilers I saw someone complain about spoilers for The Return of the King back when the movie came out. People will *always* complain about spoilers.
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