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SunAndSpring posted:Well, this is new lore, so I guess they wouldn't have known if they cared to look for info on this game before they started putting on the Reich. It's not really new lore though? Unless I'm missing something they're just being mad about the Vailians being represented by black people in concept art. e: Considering that the only Vailians we've seen were in a piece of concept art released last may? It really comes off as racists looking for a reason to be racist and whiny. Republican Vampire fucked around with this message at 05:55 on Apr 22, 2014 |
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BTW, I don't disagree with the desire of what the last poster wrote. A game that relied heavily on real African traditions and history would be very cool. It's also entirely outside of my knowledge base and experience. I try to incorporate elements from outside of my knowledge base when I can (e.g. in early versions of Gauntlet: Seven Sorrows, we had two Greco-African characters who spoke Yoruba and in Honest Hearts the Dead Horses spoke a mix of English, German, and Navajo) but it is completely unfamiliar territory for me and extremely slow-going. I have a degree in history focusing on early modern Europe -- specifically, witch-hunting. In school I studied Spanish, German, Latin, French, and Arabic because they all had either immediate or tangential connections to the subjects and phenomena I was learning about. On my own I've superficially studied a bunch of other Indo-European languages for familiarity, but my knowledge base is pretty heavily rooted in central/western Europe from about 1200-1800.
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Apr 22, 2014 06:06
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These are all of the clothing concepts we've released, BTW: Natlan/Ixamitl: http://pillarsofeternity.gamepedia.com/File:IxamitlHumans.jpg?version=e147d52d8db971b5a7daa1278644d7b3 Thyrtan/Aedyran: http://pillarsofeternity.gamepedia.com/File:Aedyrhumans.jpg?version=f5775a0052690164e2ef3bfbb7943078 Calbandra/Vailian: http://pillarsofeternity.gamepedia.com/File:Vailianhumans.jpg?version=213adddea81a4d64ad6682a1bdfffd2f Thyrtan/Dyrwoodan: http://pillarsofeternity.gamepedia.com/File:DyrwoodHumans.JPG?version=1655515794d2239727e3ad910960a261
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Speaking of that, um... what are the chances of Aquatic Aumaua having kapa/tapa cloth or something similar in their portraits? A couple previews have called them polynesian, but I don't know if we've seen anything. I'm only asking because I'm kinda super into Polynesian (especially Hawaiian) history.
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Apr 22, 2014 06:23
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 So drat fancy. How could anyone not play as this?
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Apr 22, 2014 06:28
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That or Aedyr for sure.
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Republican Vampire posted:It's not really new lore though? Unless I'm missing something they're just being mad about the Vailians being represented by black people in concept art. Well, someone brought up that the other races have probably had other elements from other cultures inserted into theirs. Like, how the Aedyr have these Celtic/Germanic tones to their language and such despite being Greco-Roman imperialists. Of course, the dude shot down that down, saying it didn't count because the Anglo-Saxons and Italians/Greeks were white and white people are all the same  .
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Shadeoses posted:
I ain't fancy, boy. I dug around in three trashcans today, couldn't do that wearing no frilly getup.
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Apr 22, 2014 06:51
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Republican Vampire posted:Speaking of that, um... what are the chances of Aquatic Aumaua having kapa/tapa cloth or something similar in their portraits? A couple previews have called them polynesian, but I don't know if we've seen anything. I'm only asking because I'm kinda super into Polynesian (especially Hawaiian) history.
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rope kid posted:These are all of the clothing concepts we've released, BTW: I'm getting a eastern european vibe from the dywoodan. Something like Lithuania or Muscovy, Is that intentional? Also, in regards to all the cultures; will analog to the real world be mostly cosmetic and linguistic or will their military follow their historical inspirations. Like will the Aedyran favor heavy infantry with various auxiliaries and would a PC gain any bonus from a factions specialization? Such as a Aedyran bonus with shields? Finally I'm wondering if there's any Eastern/ Western empire split going on. Cause I think having legionaries and Cataphracts would be cool. Moving to an unrelated topic, I figure it wont be in this game, but have you ever considered something like horses or other mounts in a real time with pause game like this?
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rope kid posted:We've only done the coastal aumaua portraits so far (the ones typically from near Rauatai) and they don't have much/any Polynesian flavor. The island aumaua are supposed to have more Polynesian and Japanese elements to their clothing but we haven't done their portraits yet. I have a little bit of familiarity with various Pacific Islander cultures and Kaz (our artist who made the Sagani, Eder, and Pallegina concepts) grew up in Japan, so hopefully they will have a nice blend of elements. Thanks for replying, and it's cool that this is something you think about. I'm just weirdly into it because I took a couple courses and read a couple books and got weirdly into the history of textiles.
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MegaGatts posted:Moving to an unrelated topic, I figure it wont be in this game, but have you ever considered something like horses or other mounts in a real time with pause game like this? The mentioned this a long while back and I forget the answer, but the extra combat rules and models and animations would probably make them far too expensive to implement. PLus, aside from another animation, what'd be the point? it wouldn't add appreciably to any gameplay or player control aspect. It's an iso game.
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Drifter posted:The mentioned this a long while back and I forget the answer, but the extra combat rules and models and animations would probably make them far too expensive to implement. Horse Charge. 
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Apr 22, 2014 07:42
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Roobanguy posted:Horse Charge. Like Barbarian Dash?
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Drifter posted:Like Barbarian Dash? Yes, but with war horses! 
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Drifter posted:The mentioned this a long while back and I forget the answer, but the extra combat rules and models and animations would probably make them far too expensive to implement. Different abilities depending on the mount. You know a unicorn lancing fools, some kind of giant toad eating dudes. Plus I think a party of six riding various weird mounts and monsters would be cool to watch. It would also make fighting indoors extremely different from meeting enemies in an open field and I feel dismounting enemies would feel very satisfying. Think of killing some guys giant centipede from under him, tell me that doesn't make you smile. I know PoE isn't the game to support them, I was just wondering if Ropekid ever thought of how to implement them.
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Mounts are always a thing, I remember when people were lobbying hard for them in NWN2 / pissed that they weren't in NWN1. Invariably they were among the first mod additions to more open games / persistent worlds. Guess a lot of people had hardons for Shadowfax / knightly tourneys.
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SunAndSpring posted:I was just surprised by the reaction to it. I mean, I can go post Baldur's Gate 2 and not have someone give me a multi-paragraph post on how Valygar wearing medieval Europe clothes somehow destroys the culture of Africa and Europe at the same time. The gently caress did PoE do? Funny thing is, some time ago there was someone on the PE forums complaining that rope kid is whitewashing glorious Africans and robbing them of cultural identity by having them wear european clothes. It's an insult and yadda yadda. Can't win, either way. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgTuarwFm6s JanPospisil fucked around with this message at 08:32 on Apr 22, 2014 |
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JanPospisil posted:Funny thing is, some time ago there was someone on the PE forums complaining that rope kid is whitewashing glorious Africans and robbing them of cultural identity by having them wear european clothes. It's an insult and yadda yadda. Can't win, either way. As a white American male I'm African. I feel okay about what Obsidian is doing.
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AFoolAndHisMoney posted:Low level campaigns are usually the best, each level up feels actually matters and the stakes still feel quite real and don't get bogged down in power levels. AFoolAndHisMoney posted:I've played Dragonfall and loved it but never really paid attention to any press around it. What was so bad about its reputation? rope kid posted:I have a little bit of familiarity with various Pacific Islander cultures and Kaz (our artist who made the Sagani, Eder, and Pallegina concepts) grew up in Japan, so hopefully they will have a nice blend of elements.
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SunAndSpring posted:Of course, the dude shot down that down, saying it didn't count because the Anglo-Saxons and Italians/Greeks were white and white people are all the same But isn't he a SJW by that logic? 
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Nobody will be happy unless the game is all about a bunch of green/blue non-gendered people who do not reproduce and have no specific culture to them, just walk around in skin-tight spacesuits all the time engaging in warfare by conversation and talk their predators down and feed on grass.
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Mordaedil posted:Nobody will be happy unless the game is all about a bunch of green/blue non-gendered people who do not reproduce and have no specific culture to them, just walk around in skin-tight spacesuits all the time engaging in warfare by conversation and talk their predators down and feed on grass. You Goddamned hippie liberal 
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Mordaedil posted:Nobody will be happy unless the game is all about a bunch of green/blue non-gendered people who do not reproduce and have no specific culture to them, just walk around in skin-tight spacesuits all the time engaging in warfare by conversation and talk their predators down and feed on grass. Then the loverslab people won't be happy. Not enough horse penises.
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JanPospisil posted:Then the loverslab people won't be happy. Not enough horse penises. Disco Infiva posted:You Goddamned hippie liberal
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Mordaedil posted:talk their predators down and feed on grass. Hey now. Someone needs to think about the grass you monster!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGLABm7jJ-Y
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Sensuki posted:Lifted from Sawyer's NewEgg interview. The dragon thing looks kinda like a sloughed skin, which would be cool.
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FRINGE posted:Hey now. Someone needs to think about the grass you monster! Sorry, I meant the SHADOW of the grass, but I was afraid that would be a Simpson's reference that nobody would get.
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quote:"Pacific Islander" is quite a bold categorization in terms of cultures since vast Pacific Ocean isolates islands, different from continental Europe.
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Apr 22, 2014 12:51
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There is a pretty big difference between Polynesians and Melanesians, even though they often mixed, notably in Micronesia.
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Phlegmish posted:There is a pretty big difference between Polynesians and Melanesians, even though they often mixed, notably in Micronesia.
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Apr 22, 2014 13:09
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Keep talking; I feel like I'm learning poo poo.
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loving Finns and their Finno-ugric trolling... Plus the Finns are super genetically diverse, oddly. Cool bros.
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rope kid posted:There are big differences between Finns and Spaniards, Icelanders and Poles but I don't think it's bold to say those are various European cultures. Oh yeah I completely agree, if anything 'Pacific Islander' itself is a comparatively tiny group in terms of population. I just have the irrepressible goon urge to show off my Wikipedia-tier knowledge.
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Was the second Vailian female outfit based on real-world underclothes rather than clothes? 
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MegaGatts posted:I'm getting a eastern european vibe from the dywoodan. Something like Lithuania or Muscovy, Is that intentional? Also, in regards to all the cultures; will analog to the real world be mostly cosmetic and linguistic or will their military follow their historical inspirations. Like will the Aedyran favor heavy infantry with various auxiliaries and would a PC gain any bonus from a factions specialization? Such as a Aedyran bonus with shields? Finally I'm wondering if there's any Eastern/ Western empire split going on. Cause I think having legionaries and Cataphracts would be cool. Horses would be difficult for us to incorporate in a game like this for a variety of reasons. Technical limitations are one aspect, but map size is where it really becomes a problem.
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coffeetable posted:Lifted from Sawyer's NewEgg interview.
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Republican Vampire posted:Thanks for replying, and it's cool that this is something you think about. I'm just weirdly into it because I took a couple courses and read a couple books and got weirdly into the history of textiles.
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rope kid posted:It's pretty common to categorize Polynesia, Micronesia, and Melanesia as Pacific Islander culture groups and there are a lot of linguistic and cultural links between the individual islands and people due to migration. Saying people from Samoa and the Marquesas are Pacific Islanders is less bold than saying Swedes and Italians are European.
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Darkhold posted:It's both hilarious and sad that while Feargus Urquhart is talking about how exciting it is to own your own IP the walls are covered in Alpha Protocol characters (which last I understood are still owned by SEGA). On the other hand though, Alpha Protocol is rad.
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