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Triticum Guzzler posted:Rick Story/Jeremy Horn choking out Brian Foster/Liddell from guard. The Rick Story one was insane because Foster got Story into his guard but Story is just super strong I guess and still choked him out.
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While still impressive I believe Story was sliding through Foster's guard into mount at the time. Still crazy but he wasn't in closed guard I believe.
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Apr 5, 2014 02:10
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Nope, he started in half and Foster got it to guard before he finally tapped.
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quote:UFC rule # 24. Using abusive language in the ring or fenced area. Not that I'm complaining because I'm a big Nick Diaz fan, but has this rule ever been enforced?
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Bell the Cat posted:Not that I'm complaining because I'm a big Nick Diaz fan, but has this rule ever been enforced? I think one (or both) of the Diaz's have been warned about it, but there's never been a point deduction or anything that I'm aware of.
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Speaking of chokes, I wish we saw more North/South chokes. Are they hard to do, easy to defend or a combination of the two? I think I became PSPs sole Jeff Monson fan after the Brandon Lee Hinkle submission.
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Bell the Cat posted:Not that I'm complaining because I'm a big Nick Diaz fan, but has this rule ever been enforced? Reza Madadi was warned for telling Cristiano Marcello "Get up, bitch". Reza Madadi's imprisonment was a sad blow to the UFC.
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xcore posted:Speaking of chokes, I wish we saw more North/South chokes. North/South chokes, much like guillotines and d'arce chokes, are moves that are easy to be bad at, because a lot of the little details that make the different between it being tight and not aren't very visually obvious.
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Are they not trained very often or something? I'm sure you're point is correct, but with the amount of BJJ black and brown belts running around, I would have thought those fighters would know what those small nuances are.
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Apr 17, 2014 02:11
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Its also really easy to lose a good position if your north/south doesn't work out.
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xcore posted:Are they not trained very often or something? I'm sure you're point is correct, but with the amount of BJJ black and brown belts running around, I would have thought those fighters would know what those small nuances are. It is one thing to know a technique and an entirely different thing to use it against a resisting opponent. Getting hit in the head only complicates things.
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xcore posted:Are they not trained very often or something? I'm sure you're point is correct, but with the amount of BJJ black and brown belts running around, I would have thought those fighters would know what those small nuances are. All these small things that can go wrong make it a lower percentage technique. I'd say in a lot of cases under MMA rules people may be more inclined to only use north south as a way to transition to side control.
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Pocket Billiards posted:All these small things that can go wrong make it a lower percentage technique. I'd say in a lot of cases under MMA rules people may be more inclined to only use north south as a way to transition to side control. You said the magic words, now the pale wonder will appear from the depths to rubber guard all over the thread.
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I've flipped through Eddie Bravo books at the martial arts store on more than one occasion and bookmarked this thread and I don't understand.
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I believe he speaks of the mythical CortXBomb, known to pull guard and rap all over the north while avoiding sources of melatonin engorging light.
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Okay, as long as the pale wonder isn't Jeff Monson I'm happy not to understand.
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fatherdog posted:North/South chokes, much like guillotines and d'arce chokes, are moves that are easy to be bad at, because a lot of the little details that make the different between it being tight and not aren't very visually obvious. This. Especially against a higher level guy who has had higher level chokes on him or her. You either get the choke perfect or you don't have it at all. The nuances can be so subtle, but they are so crucial. And when you've got a sub in, and you're tired and have been punched and everyone is yelling, poo poo can be harder. I have a video where during a fight, I fail a d'arce choke because the knuckle part of my glove is in the way. It's such a terrible thing, I had to fight two more rounds. The video focuses on exactly that and it's loving horrible every time I watch it.
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fatherdog posted:North/South chokes, much like guillotines and d'arce chokes, are moves that are easy to be bad at, because a lot of the little details that make the different between it being tight and not aren't very visually obvious. On that note, why do fighters resort to standing guillotine chokes so often when the success rate is so low? It looks like a very tiring submission, and half the time the fighter attempting the choke ends up on his back, leaving them in a lovely position when their opponent's head inevitably pops out.
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Apr 21, 2014 22:22
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Desperation, bad fight IQ, overconfidence in one's ability to finish.
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Fruits of the sea posted:On that note, why do fighters resort to standing guillotine chokes so often when the success rate is so low? It looks like a very tiring submission, and half the time the fighter attempting the choke ends up on his back, leaving them in a lovely position when their opponent's head inevitably pops out. If you watch local amateur events you'll see half of all fights actually ending by lovely arm in guillotine. It works against really bad opponents trying to take you down with no wrestling ability.
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Fruits of the sea posted:On that note, why do fighters resort to standing guillotine chokes so often when the success rate is so low? The success rate on guillotines isn't any lower than any other submission, you just see them a lot because people stick their heads in the right place for them a lot.
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Fat Twitter Man posted:If you watch local amateur events you'll see half of all fights actually ending by lovely arm in guillotine. It works against really bad opponents trying to take you down with no wrestling ability. The standing arm-in guillotine is the B-League Special, and it is to be treasured every time it occurs.
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fatherdog posted:The success rate on guillotines isn't any lower than any other submission, you just see them a lot because people stick their heads in the right place for them a lot. And even if you really haven't trained much grappling it's a pretty instinctive thing to just grab and squeeze someones neck if they stick it under your arm in a fight.
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DekeThornton posted:And even if you really haven't trained much grappling it's a pretty instinctive thing to just grab and squeeze someones neck if they stick it under your arm in a fight. I remember the first one I ever saw was a kickboxer doing it to another boxer or kickboxer on one of the single-digit UFC cards. The other guy tried the clumsiest takedown and put his head under the first guy's arm, and the first guy just grabbed his wrist and stood up straight. He had the greatest look on his face as it dawned to him that he was going to win without getting punched once.
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fatherdog posted:The success rate on guillotines isn't any lower than any other submission, you just see them a lot because people stick their heads in the right place for them a lot. Yeah, you definitely see a poo poo-ton of attempts, though the success rate is actually pretty low, ~14% vs an overall submission success rate of ~20%. (according to fightonomics)
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fatherdog posted:North/South chokes, much like guillotines and d'arce chokes, are moves that are easy to be bad at, because a lot of the little details that make the different between it being tight and not aren't very visually obvious. I own at d'arce chokes, arm triangles, anacondas, and RNCs, but I can't finish a north south choke to save my life. My attempts are also painful to my training partners. Do you know of any videos that do a good job of explaining the subtleties of angle and pressure and stuff?
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fatherdog posted:North/South chokes, much like guillotines and d'arce chokes, are moves that are easy to be bad at, because a lot of the little details that make the different between it being tight and not aren't very visually obvious. I have a bad tendency when rolling to get taps with these moves, but my partner was tapping to the neck pain rather than a choke. I'm getting better though.
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Fruits of the sea posted:On that note, why do fighters resort to standing guillotine chokes so often when the success rate is so low? It looks like a very tiring submission, and half the time the fighter attempting the choke ends up on his back, leaving them in a lovely position when their opponent's head inevitably pops out. Lots of people have already replied with correct answers, but it also serves to dissuade your opponent from continuing the takedown. If you manage to put your head into a standing guillotine and its actually done well, going to the ground is the last thing you want.
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Also they are awesome when they work https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5Gmn3YDxJo
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Fruits of the sea posted:On that note, why do fighters resort to standing guillotine chokes so often when the success rate is so low? It looks like a very tiring submission, and half the time the fighter attempting the choke ends up on his back, leaving them in a lovely position when their opponent's head inevitably pops out. a lot of the times you see a guy attempt a standing guillotine, it's the other person going for a takedown, them threatening with the choke, and the other person giving up the takedown to defend the choke. as long as you don't try to pull guard into a traditional guillotine, it's just something to keep you from getting taken down.
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I'm 190ish posts behind on the bellator and bleague threads, can someone spoil all the jokes for me
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omg chael crash posted:I'm 190ish posts behind on the bellator and bleague threads, can someone spoil all the jokes for me Bellator.
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omg chael crash posted:I'm 190ish posts behind on the bellator and bleague threads, can someone spoil all the jokes for me Oplot reinvented themselves as a pro-USSR police force and now roams the Ukrainian countryside beating up non-believers. Rampage is a 2 to 1 favourite over King Mo.
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henkman posted:It's a shame Dan Miller's UFC run has not been that good But at least Dan Jr seems to be doing well 
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omg chael crash posted:I'm 190ish posts behind on the bellator and bleague threads, can someone spoil all the jokes for me Tito is back, baby! -Atom- fucked around with this message at 16:39 on May 2, 2014 |
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Have there been many cases in history like the UFC is dealing with right now for Chael's fight at UFC 175? Don't they usually just take a fight off the card or reschedule it further out if they have difficulty with multiple fighters having to drop out before the event or is that totally up to the remaining fighter as to whether or not he'll fight whoever they decide to toss in on short notice? Seems weird they're outright listing it as Chael VS TBD - I think that's the first time I've seen that on an official card rundown. Curious to see who he actually ends up fighting after all the drug test/availability dust settles if Vitor also ends up being removed.
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Mr. Carlisle posted:Have there been many cases in history like the UFC is dealing with right now for Chael's fight at UFC 175? Don't they usually just take a fight off the card or reschedule it further out if they have difficulty with multiple fighters having to drop out before the event or is that totally up to the remaining fighter as to whether or not he'll fight whoever they decide to toss in on short notice? Seems weird they're outright listing it as Chael VS TBD - I think that's the first time I've seen that on an official card rundown. Sarah Kaufman had two opponents fall out before fighting Leslie Smith just a few months ago (Though both were injury replacements)
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