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im actually posted up in a hide somewhere in red square. gonna drive a stake thru ol vlads heart, if you catch my drift genderstomper58 posted:the president is only one guy man 
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genderstomper58 posted:the president is only one guy man
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genderstomper58 posted:the president is only one guy man
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Whip quit loving with HDI
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orange juche posted:Whip quit loving with HDI The rules of sniper month are the rules. Such is the luck of the draw.
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May 3, 2014 08:31
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Whip Slagcheek posted:The rules of sniper month are the rules. Such is the luck of the draw. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh_gIxTitMM
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Intel5 posted:Don't we have our own batch of spooks who specialize in doing shady poo poo in other countries back yards? I thought it was them who masterminded the whole Maidan thing that got us in this mess?  Honestly the golden cheerio bowl that is Ukraine is already running over, and we are waiting for whether Putin intends to take a bite. Eastern Ukraine is not quite as solidly pro-anschluss as Crimea, and other parts even less so. Taking it over will mean a lot of possible dissent and resistance, if Maidan is any indicator.
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Booblord Zagats posted:Bronies made the terrorism watch list or w/e Since that chick is in Maricopa County, I'm gonna go ahead and assume she's having an other-than-good time in jail.
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genderstomper58 posted:the president is only one guy man
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Duzzy Funlop posted:Since that chick is in Maricopa County, I'm gonna go ahead and assume she's having an other-than-good time in jail. 
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I'm sure that "I'm trans" is a fairly popular way to introduce yourself in prison. If you could avoid getting the poo poo beat out of you and have a really scary dude for a boyfriend, or be some kind of avenging transsexual black widow.
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Duzzy Funlop posted:Since that chick is in Maricopa County, I'm gonna go ahead and assume she's having an other-than-good time in jail. The correction in the article is pretty funny, I guess even horse fuckers deserve Their Preferred Pronouns 
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genderstomper58 posted:The correction in the article is pretty funny, I guess even horse fuckers deserve Their Preferred Pronouns well it is gawker
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Police station in Odessa stormed, pro-russian protesters demand their peers are freed. Putin endgame; Black sea as Russian lake. E; looks like a bunch of jailed pro-russians have been freed/broken out. Courthouse fucked around with this message at 15:42 on May 4, 2014 |
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Courthouse posted:Police station in Odessa stormed, pro-russian protesters demand their peers are freed. Putin endgame; Black sea as Russian lake. BUT WHATS THE CONNECTION TO MH370?! 
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BigDave posted:BUT WHATS THE CONNECTION TO MH370?!  I really need to see what glenn beck thinks of that plane going down, also the Ukraine situation.
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orange juche posted:
I wouldn't be surprised if it's something very similar to the RT spin. Clearly Obama's got his Muslim Nazis at work in Ukraine!
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Jonad posted:I wouldn't be surprised if it's something very similar to the RT spin. Clearly Obama's got his Gay Muslim Nazis at work in Ukraine! FTFY
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reuters posted:The total cost of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, the Pentagon's costliest weapons program, is now seen at $1.42 trillion, down about 6 percent from $1.50 trillion, including research, development, procurement and operations through 2065. O_o http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/17/us-lockheed-fighter-idUSBREA3G27K20140417
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friend of the family DEATH TURBO posted:O_o So after this one they won't be able to afford a new one for a half century, is what they're saying?
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How old is oldest plane still in service?
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No idea. But the U-2, B-52, and trainer jets are pretty old.
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The Stygian posted:How old is oldest plane still in service? I don't know but the F-15 for example is already 40 years old (entered service in 1974), so the idea of a plane lasting till 2065 is totally reasonable, especially when you consider the development time and relative expense seems to increase with each new generation.
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Ukranian forces have retaken the tv tower in Slojansk and separatists are retreating towards the east-central parts of the town. Interior ministry is tight lipped about losses, but confirms a unit was ambushed by "militia" armed with heavy weaponry. Loyalist demonstrations in Odessa after last days storming of the police house. Perhaps Kiev can wrangle itself out of this? Jarmak posted:especially when you consider the development time and relative expense seems to increase with each new generation. Unless Gripen 
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May 5, 2014 11:43
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That's an old joke - that eventually we'll only be able to afford one plane, the Air Force gets it Monday/Wednesday/Friday, the Navy gets it Tuesday/Thursday/Saturday and the Marine Corps gets it on Sunday if they've eaten their vegetables
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friend of the family DEATH TURBO posted:O_o I've been saying this for years. Good luck maintaining air superiority in "The Big One" in the '50s with the 100 mission-ready Raptors and a handful of 80 year old F-15s. GG Gates, you shortsighted fuckwit.
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Courthouse posted:Unless Gripen The new Gripen gives you F-16 performance for F-15 price. If it came in cheaper, I'm convinced it'd be eating F-35 sales.
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First KC-135s were delivered in 1957. They'll be in service till 2040.
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Godholio posted:The new Gripen gives you F-16 performance for F-15 price. If it came in cheaper, I'm convinced it'd be eating F-35 sales. They've apparently halved the production and development cost since the last generation of Gripens. Mostly because most the RnD costs have already been recouped with the A/B/C/D generations, and a lot of the parts and software is already being made by SAAB for Boeing and Dassault. And the maintenance costs are still 40% lower than the F-16. http://www.defensenews.com/article/20140317/DEFREG01/303170022/Saab-Drives-Down-Gripen-Cost-Amid-Export-Push There's some serious efficiencies and possibly human sacrifice going on in Trollhättan. I wouldn't be surprised if they could snag a few more customers from the F-35 camp, what with the world economy and all. But there is usually more to these kinds of deals than just buying a plane.
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May 5, 2014 14:23
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Or you could just load up a bunch of cheap drones with air to air missiles and call it a day...
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DAS Super! posted:Or you could just load up a bunch of cheap drones with air to air missiles and call it a day... I have an uneducated suspicion a drone wouldn't last particularly long at this stage against a competent pilot/anti air ground support.
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The Stygian posted:I have an uneducated suspicion a drone wouldn't last particularly long at this stage against a competent pilot/anti air ground support. True today or not, I certainly wouldn't count on that in the 2050 timeframe.
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Snowdens Secret posted:True today or not, I certainly wouldn't count on that in the 2050 timeframe. I would, I'm pretty sure nations with a modern military have no reason to fear drones because poo poo like proper AAA, SAMs and Signal Counter-Intel is going to stay ahead of the drone fleet unless we come up with some seriously fancy AI to fly them when the control signal is being jammed to poo poo. Drones are the Western equivalent to suicide bombers. They aren't good for much other than targeting very vulnerable soft targets you don't want to risk your own assets to neutralize and putting a strong fear in a dissimilarly equipped enemy force.
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Snowdens Secret posted:True today or not, I certainly wouldn't count on that in the 2050 timeframe. I think that's about the time we'll start seeing tests along those lines. I seriously doubt it'll be a mature technology that soon.
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The Stygian posted:How old is oldest plane still in service? It depends on if we're talking airframes or overall design. For example, the U-2 was designed in the '50s but all the airframes currently still in service were all physically built in the '80s (and have been upgraded continuously since being built). Same applies for the C-130 (designed in the '50s but new airframes are rolling off the production line as we speak and the fleet as a whole is pretty young). The oldest overall airframe in military service would probably be either the KC-135 (ones still in service physically built in the early to mid '60s) or B-52Hs (all physically built in the early '60s), so a little over 50 years old. Of course, you also have to take into account the stress placed on the airframe and number of hours it's actually flown...for example, many of those KC-135s have a (relatively) young airframe by virtue of their spending much of their early years sitting ground alert at SAC bases. Contrast that with the F-15C fleet, where despite "only" being 30-35 years old we are literally flying the wings off them. Godholio posted:I've been saying this for years. Good luck maintaining air superiority in "The Big One" in the '50s with the 100 mission-ready Raptors and a handful of 80 year old F-15s. GG Gates, you shortsighted fuckwit. Yup. Reading his memoirs, I get it, he was pissed off at the lack of support from the bureaucracy for troops in the field, who were dying (in But it's okay, the export-level LO 4xAMRAAM carrying sort of supercruising F-35 will make a great air superiority platform, take that to the bank. DAS Super! posted:Or you could just load up a bunch of cheap drones with air to air missiles and call it a day... That's not how that works. Snowdens Secret posted:True today or not, I certainly wouldn't count on that in the 2050 timeframe. Any unmanned (whether remotely piloted or truly autonomous) aircraft capable of actual air to air combat certainly won't be cheap. People assume that any drone is automatically cheap just because Preds are, forgetting that a Pred is just a glorified R/C plane made from plastic and balsa wood powered by a snowmobile engine with a camera strapped to it. A Global Chicken costs almost as much as a Triple 7 (which incidentally is more than an F-35...for now). And yeah, I am extremely skeptical of the ability to deliver mature autonomous (which is what it would almost certainly have to be) air to air capability by the 2050 timeframe.
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It all depends entirely on what you want a drone to do. Since we can presume the signal jamming blanket of any competent foe is going to be hot and heavy it's essentially all up to how good you can make the AI and sensors in the next few decades. For dogfighting and poo poo that's probably pretty far off. But for stuff like taking out radar guided AA, or swarming ships, I'd expect it's not too far off. For 2050 we are more likely to see hybrid fleets, there's plenty of poo poo a glorified RC plane with rudimentary target acquisition would be great for.
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iyaayas01 posted:It depends on if we're talking airframes or overall design. For example, the U-2 was designed in the '50s but all the airframes currently still in service were all physically built in the '80s (and have been upgraded continuously since being built). Same applies for the C-130 (designed in the '50s but new airframes are rolling off the production line as we speak and the fleet as a whole is pretty young). The oldest overall airframe in military service would probably be either the KC-135 (ones still in service physically built in the early to mid '60s) or B-52Hs (all physically built in the early '60s), so a little over 50 years old. B-52s are the oldest. Entered service in '55. A few tails from the mid-to-late 50s that were converted to H models are still floating around. U-2s entered in '55. A few of the '68 models are still active. KC-135s entered in '57. We still fly those tails from that year on the reg. e: Forgot about the -130. There's probably an E/H hanging out in the Guard from the late 50's. But I don't care about those. TheOtherGypsy fucked around with this message at 18:39 on May 5, 2014 |
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Keep in mind UCLASS was supposed to be an autonomous penetration strike craft (it seems to be getting scaled back) and nuclear penetration strike NGB has been talked about at least having an autonomous option. Those would both be for operation in the 2050 frame. Ground attack in general and penetrating strike in particular are much more challenging control problems than air-air. And no, I don't expect them to be cheap at all.
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I don't understand "optionally manned." If you can build an aircraft that can perform the required mission, without a man onboard, why go through the (enormous) engineering expense and (huge) weight penalties associated with a cockpit and life support systems? Conversely, if you don't have enough confidence in the autonomous ability of the aircraft, why bother with it in the first place?
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