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Captain Oblivious posted:Yukiko becomes hilariously, retardedly strong when she gets her P4G unique fire spell. She also gets Spell Master from the bike dates. Poor Teddie is completely outclassed. Kind weird though how the girls get such amazing rank 11 skills and the guys get awful ones. Yosuke's got the best of the three but how does mediarama+masukukaja compare to poo poo like full party Heat Riser and complete damage nullification?
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I'm not a big fan of chie's new voice myself even though Erin Fitzgerald is a good VA. The voice isn't as unique and it's her standard tomboy voice she uses for some if her characters. As inconsistent as the quality of Chie's OG VA is when it's really good, it's really good.
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May 15, 2014 01:53
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Naoto ended up being my full-stop essential member after the Golden bike trips gave her every offensive magic element in the game. I tested it, it is entirely possible to just take her and become unstoppable throughout the final stages of the game (with MC functioning as healer on the side, obviously). This may become more or less impossible in Vanilla since all she can do there is drain all her SP in 10 fights but win instantly.
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May 15, 2014 01:54
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Manatee Cannon posted:She also gets Spell Master from the bike dates. Poor Teddie is completely outclassed. Kind weird though how the girls get such amazing rank 11 skills and the guys get awful ones. Yosuke's got the best of the three but how does mediarama+masukukaja compare to poo poo like full party Heat Riser and complete damage nullification?
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May 15, 2014 01:54
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Captain Oblivious posted:Yukiko becomes hilariously, retardedly strong when she gets her P4G unique fire spell. And if you take her on 5 bike rides she gets fuckin' Mind Charge on top of that.
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May 15, 2014 01:55
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UberJumper posted:I just listened to a clip from Chie's voice actor... It took me a lot of getting used to, especially since she really overdoes her lines in the beginning of the game. but I ended up enjoying her portrayal.
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May 15, 2014 01:56
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Prozach posted:
Orgia Carnaval posted:Not by Japan 
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May 15, 2014 01:58
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BeanBandit posted:It took me a lot of getting used to, especially since she really overdoes her lines in the beginning of the game. but I ended up enjoying her portrayal. It was a slow transition for me. Arena really threw me off, but everybody's really exaggerated in Arena's fights anyway. Then Golden slowly won me over to the new voice. Vanilla Chie's "ahahahaha" laugh.... 
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May 15, 2014 01:58
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May 15, 2014 01:59
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAefGu7EIOk
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May 15, 2014 02:00
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UberJumper posted:I just listened to a clip from Chie's voice actor... I don't get, and probably never will get, this reaction. 
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May 15, 2014 02:00
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Nate RFB posted:For one thing, you can use Youthful Wind more than once per battle. You can use Dragon Hustle three or four times with the Chakra Ring and Shield of Justice twice without. Nobody else needs it and you get it before January so there's really no point in time where Youthful Wind is actually useful.
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May 15, 2014 02:02
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UberJumper posted:I just listened to a clip from Chie's voice actor... How about this clip, from the new skiing scene near the end of the game? There aren't any huge plot spoilers or anything.
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May 15, 2014 02:07
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Really Pants posted:How about this clip, from the new skiing scene near the end of the game? There aren't any huge plot spoilers or anything. I can't recommend viewing this honestly. That whole gloriously stupid (  ) segment is best encountered blind.
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May 15, 2014 02:08
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both old chie and new chie are good new teddie though...
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May 15, 2014 02:09
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New Teddie is not Dave Wittenburg and I am very mad about that, but Dave is actually getting a paycheck.
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May 15, 2014 02:11
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Gonna have to disagree on old Chie. New Teddie's about on par with old Teddie so it's more a matter of which you heard first, but old Chie is for real not a good voice actress.
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May 15, 2014 02:11
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No she's good, she wavers in and out of being the best and worst actor in the game though so it constitutes a pretty inconsistent performance. I dunno if the voice actress was very familiar with voice acting or not, but when it's good it's very obviously good.
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May 15, 2014 02:13
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Manatee Cannon posted:You can use Dragon Hustle three or four times with the Chakra Ring and Shield of Justice twice without. Nobody else needs it and you get it before January so there's really no point in time where Youthful Wind is actually useful. Some days I really wished there was PvP in P4G. For one thing, all this optimization talk might actually be useful beyond gimmicky runs, and imagine countering someone's Power Charged Yoshitsune with a surprise Tetrakarn.
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May 15, 2014 02:15
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Dred Cosmonaut posted:both old chie and new chie are good ...the best. I know this is crazy, but I thought original Teddie was a little too dry in places. Teddie should be constantly full of WAY too much energy, and Sam Riegel nails it.
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May 15, 2014 02:17
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Maybe it's just being exposed to it first, but I love new Chie and can't really stand old Chie. I listened to her through the endurance run and it just sounded so off. New Chie can be a little high pitched but her voice fits the character and she's actually really good at it most of the time. EDIT: I think old Teddie and new Teddie are both great, if you told me to blind test them I probably couldn't tell you the difference. Strange Quark posted:Some days I really wished there was PvP in P4G. For one thing, all this optimization talk might actually be useful beyond gimmicky runs, and imagine countering someone's Power Charged Yoshitsune with a surprise Tetrakarn. Yoshitsune will still shrug it off, Null Physical!
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May 15, 2014 02:18
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Old Chie is best because she never made me want to turn the volume off when she talked. New Chie is way too pitchy and just generally annoying through most of the game. Old Chie sounded a little awkward, but sincere.
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May 15, 2014 02:25
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I probably never would have known Teddie had a new voice actor if I hadn't been told.
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May 15, 2014 02:26
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Nessa posted:Old Chie is best because she never made me want to turn the volume off when she talked. New Chie is way too pitchy and just generally annoying through most of the game. Old Chie sounded a little awkward, but sincere. She was barely able to express emotion 90% of the time.
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May 15, 2014 02:26
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Captain Oblivious posted:I probably never would have known Teddie had a new voice actor if I hadn't been told. Same here. I didn't dislike him, but I never really loved Teddie as a character, so I never paid much attention to his voice actor.
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May 15, 2014 02:28
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I can tell, but I've watched so much dubbed stuff that's only to be expected I would know what all the different VAs sound like. Riegel doesn't do serious scenes as well with Teddie as Wittenburg does and I just don't like Teddie always being filled with energy. He's gotta have some points where he can speak calmly or else he just becomes annoying like every other mascot character. Rooney compared to Fitzgerald is staggeringly different because one side is an actual new kind of voice for character archetypes like Chie's which is actually a very good way to handle it and on the other side is a more consistent, but generic performance.
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May 15, 2014 02:29
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Nessa posted:Old Chie is best because she never made me want to turn the volume off when she talked. New Chie is way too pitchy and just generally annoying through most of the game. Old Chie sounded a little awkward, but sincere. One of my favorite lines in the game (BIG spoilers, seriously do NOT mouse over if you haven't finished 4) (and it's only heard in a bad ending path) is Chie saying "We're not going to sit back and watch while our friend becomes a murderer, you moron!" New Chie saying that line about a million times better cinches the whole thing for me.
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May 15, 2014 02:32
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arisu posted:Yoshitsune will still shrug it off, Null Physical! I suppose a hit all skill reflected wouldn't hit everyone in the party, but there isn't any way to test this in-game, is there?
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May 15, 2014 02:33
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Both players have perfect personas that null everything with straight 99s in everything and it just comes down to who gets the first turn to start the Morning Star spam. Except both players also have Salvation and over 400 MP and 
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May 15, 2014 02:38
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The problem with the Lovers romance check (and the Drama club) is they needed a point between "we are now super in love and stuff" and "I am a jerk who would desert a broken desperate woman". Both could have benefited from a option C of reassuring head pats and there theres.
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May 15, 2014 03:04
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Or you could just not read into it that way and stop caring about it since they clearly designed that to be the lovers choice. It's really not a big deal and you could solve the whole problem by not caring about that character. Sure you can think of yourself as a monster, but she's not going to die or something if you don't hug her. Everything will be fine one way or another.
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May 15, 2014 03:07
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The Lovers romance check can be poorly handled without it being The Worst Thing ever. I think we're talking past each other when we fundamentally agree due to hyperbole on both sides 
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May 15, 2014 03:08
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I think it's just a cultural disconnect; apparently, hugging someone is a much bigger deal in Japan than it is in the West.
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May 15, 2014 03:12
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Strange Quark posted:I suppose a hit all skill reflected wouldn't hit everyone in the party, but there isn't any way to test this in-game, is there? Sure there is. I've had Hassou Tobi countered many times, it only hits the MC and for 0.
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May 15, 2014 03:13
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W.T. Fits posted:I think it's just a cultural disconnect; apparently, hugging someone is a much bigger deal in Japan than it is in the West. Probably something that should have been handled via localizers. It's not the end of the world, just a kludgy scene.
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May 15, 2014 03:13
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It's definitely a cultural disconnect as public displays of affection like hugging and holding hands are something only lovers do.
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Yeah neither one ever really affected me really because in the one case you still get the crazy support powers even if you are a jerk and in the other as mentioned you are not going to get to that day in the drama room and not go ahead and date her because there is no real reason to do it otherwise.
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May 15, 2014 03:17
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Danbri posted:...the best. On the other hand, Dave Wittenberg's Shadow Teddie was WAY better. He sounded so sinister compared to Reigel who basically just did a super deep voice.
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May 15, 2014 03:49
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Really Pants posted:How about this clip, from the new skiing scene near the end of the game? There aren't any huge plot spoilers or anything.  I checked out a few other spoiler free comparisions and Chie's new voice is really really high pitched, and it sounds off to me. I am pretty sure Chie and the investigation team supposed to be around 16-17 years old (i don't want to look at the wiki, because i am scared of spoiling something). In that clip just from the little bits i checked, she sounds like she is ~12 and isn't taking anything seriously.
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You really get used to the new voice and there are parts where she's way more reserved, so I wouldn't write it off just yet.
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