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precision posted:Yes, that's why he should stop doing it unless it's absolutely crucial to the plot. Like I said earlier, killing off Oberyn would just be a complete dick move, we're due for some new blood in the cast, especially since Jojen and Meera are incredibly boring now that Meera doesn't get to fight over who's the better babysitter for Bran. That made me think, has that dude that lusted for Meera to get raped that I gave a custom title to still post? I have had avatars off since the Joffrey spoil.
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kiimo posted:That made me think, has that dude that lusted for Meera to get raped that I gave a custom title to still post? I have had avatars off since the Joffrey spoil. He showed up again. Guess what he posted about.
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Killing off characters isn't a gimmick, its literally a major theme in the story. All men must die. It also has nothing to do with his "career", he's written other books, has some great short story collections, and has been a professional in Hollywood for over a decade.
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Baldbeard posted:Killing off characters isn't a gimmick, its literally a major theme in the story. All men must die. It also has nothing to do with his "career", he's written other books, has some great short story collections, and has been a professional in Hollywood for over a decade. He's also a creepy fat old man that leers at teenage girls.
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Baldbeard posted:Killing off characters isn't a gimmick, its literally a major theme in the story. All men must die. It also has nothing to do with his "career", he's written other books, has some great short story collections, and has been a professional in Hollywood for over a decade. Exactly. He's not saying that every character is doomed to fail and that there's no point in caring about them. He's saying that a victory for these characters has to be earned, and they have to experience defeat, loss and struggle to reach their goals. It's taking the idea of the heroes' journey to its logical conclusion.
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Oxxidation posted:grrm's entire career consisted of setting up the exact same dominoes and then knocking them down until he finally, mercifully, ran out of ideas Do you think he is kinda just hoping he will die soon so he doesn't have to finish the series?
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May 20, 2014 19:06
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kiimo posted:That made me think, has that dude that lusted for Meera to get raped that I gave a custom title to still post? I have had avatars off since the Joffrey spoil. There hasn't been a rape in a few episodes so I guess he hasn't felt the need to chime in. Or maybe he got probated.
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I'm only up to book 2, so there's no spoilers paraded as speculation. I don't think this season's episode 9 peak is going to be boring like everyone thinks. Sure the Tyrion story will probably peak next episode, and Dany and Jon's storylines are lackluster, but there are many other stories that have been building. Ramsay Snow is such a wildcard that his story could turn on a dime. Arya and the Hound's story has bee burning low for a while, and she's still got Checkov's Braavosi coin. Littlefinger has emerged as the new big bad, and I am so interested to see what he does with Sansa. Stannis's story will probably be a bit of a cliffhanger, I can't see his story picking up for a bit. Even though he was funded, he still has a lot of prep work to do. There's also the Iron Islands and Dorne that are in the show's back pocket.
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Shadow posted:We haven't seen Walder Frey in a while. I'm thinking he's due for an appearance by episode 9. I hope Walder Frey is a character that pretty much existed to facilitate the Red Wedding and then disappear. Maybe he can come back much later so Arya can knife him, but he really has no purpose otherwise. I do wanna see Roose Bolton come back and try to rule the North. Macaluso posted:As a show only watcher, I was under the impression that most fans on either side thought Cat was an idiot? I mean Robb was an idiot too by betraying Walder Frey, but he was also right when Cat was worrying about getting Arya and Sansa back and he goes "It's more complicated than that, you know it is!". Like, I understand her actions. She's a desperate mother who just wants her girls back. But her actions are also stupid and cost them a valuable hostage. Cat was dumb, and also a dick. She put Robb in a super awkward position by releasing Jaime (ultimately costing him one of his bannermen, whose crime was kinda lesser than Cat's). Also she cut that girl's throat at the Red Wedding out of spite. Girl had nothing to do with it, and Frey obviously gave no fucks, so she just did it to be petty. Being a Stark or a Tully seems to be a recipe for terminal stupidity (Benjen excepted). Stark kids are fighting some big odds (only Sansa is really fighting those odds, the others are leaning in to it).
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precision posted:Yes, that's why he should stop doing it unless it's absolutely crucial to the plot. Like I said earlier, killing off Oberyn would just be a complete dick move, we're due for some new blood in the cast, especially since Jojen and Meera are incredibly boring now that Meera doesn't get to fight over who's the better babysitter for Bran. How's it going to be a dick move if Oberyn dies? Is it because you like Oberyn? He was a character just introduced this season, true, but so was Ned. And even so, who's to say that the next Oberyn-like character in season 5 won't be just as amazing or more amazing? precision posted:He's also a creepy fat old man that leers at teenage girls. This just makes me feel like you're salty as all hell.
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Doltos posted:How's it going to be a dick move if Oberyn dies? Is it because you like Oberyn? I do, but mostly because the implications of him being a new player in the Game are way more interesting than him being dead. I will laugh so hard if Gendry's boat is the last shot of the season.
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At the end of S3 melisandre was like "yoooo everybody get hype someone is gonna finally loving fight the white walkers" and in 7 episodes the only thing Stannis has done is go to the bank
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Shouldn't the Wildling army be getting to the wall any minute now? What is the goddam hold up? In the time since Ygritte and Tormund left the main army with Jon, their little band has had time to scale the wall, plunder in the north, wound Jon Snow, meet up with the Thenns, and plunder some more. Jon has recovered, went back 60 miles north, rooted out the mutineers, and came back to the wall. Still no sign of the main army. What the gently caress are the Wildlings doing? Don't they have a giant undead army on their rear end? Shouldn't they be hurrying? Are they all dead, eaten by ice zombies? I looked at a map, Craster's is equidistant from Castle Black and the Fist of the First Men, which I believe is where Sam shat his pants when he saw the WW army at the end of season two. Something doesn't add up. Is the White Walker army in between the Wildling army and Castle Black? ironlung fucked around with this message at 19:27 on May 20, 2014 |
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Rejected Fate posted:As a book-reader, a lot of the best dialogue is pretty good in the books but becomes excellent in the show - this is not because of the show-writers or even really that much because of the direction but because GoT has some A-star talent. Tyrion can be fun in the books, but GRRM's dialogue alone can't capture the charm Peter Dinklage brings to the screen. Of course there's lots of things better in the show. But in every episode that I can remember, the scene and dialogue everyone that gets the biggest positive reaction here is something that's word from word from the books while the scenes that get the biggest complaints are totally new. Usually the spoiler thread is complaining about the same things. I'm not saying which one is better than the other. I'm just saying how bizarre it is for fans of the show to say he's a terrible writer. Or a good storyteller but bad at prose.
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ironlung posted:Shouldn't the Wildling army be getting to the wall any minute now? What is the goddam hold up? In the time since Ygritte and Tormund left the main army with Jon, their little band has had time to scale the wall, plunder in the north, wound Jon Snow, meet up with the Thenns, and plunder some more. Jon has recovered, went back 60 miles north, rooted out the mutineers, and came back to the wall. Still no sign of the main army. What the gently caress are the Wildlings doing? I was under the impression they were waiting on Tormund and the cannibals to take Castle Black (or find some other way through the Wall) for the exact reason that they didn't want to/couldn't have their whole army climb the wall.
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Characters move at the speed of plot. The show isn't ready for them to arrive yet.
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precision posted:I was under the impression they were waiting on Tormund and the cannibals to take Castle Black (or find some other way through the Wall) for the exact reason that they didn't want to/couldn't have their whole army climb the wall. Right. So I guess the question is, where is the White Walker army in relation to the huge 100k group of Wildlings? edit: actually I'm pretty sure it is Mance who is supposed to give Tormund the signal to attack, in the form of "the biggest fire the north has ever seen" ironlung fucked around with this message at 19:42 on May 20, 2014 |
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ironlung posted:Shouldn't the Wildling army be getting to the wall any minute now? What is the goddam hold up? In the time since Ygritte and Tormund left the main army with Jon, their little band has had time to scale the wall, plunder in the north, wound Jon Snow, meet up with the Thenns, and plunder some more. Jon has recovered, went back 60 miles north, rooted out the mutineers, and came back to the wall. Still no sign of the main army. What the gently caress are the Wildlings doing? Don't they have a giant undead army on their rear end? Shouldn't they be hurrying? Are they all dead, eaten by ice zombies? Between this and Dany's storyline jogging in place for three loving seasons it does get a little tiresome.
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Bobo the Red posted:Also she cut that girl's throat at the Red Wedding out of spite.
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:Dany's storyline jogging in place for three loving seasons She went from starving in the desert with a tiny group to ruling a huge city with tens of thousands of followers. How is that jogging in place?
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:Between this and Dany's storyline jogging in place for three loving seasons it does get a little tiresome. Can I get a book reader to PM me spoilers about roughly when Dany gets to Westeros? Please don't spoil too much or I might buy you a dumb anime avatar, tia. edit: And done, thanks. precision fucked around with this message at 19:41 on May 20, 2014 |
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Dany hate is completely unjustified.
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Wildling army is definitely and totally dead by White Walkers. I think what the Night Watch see as an attack, will be the few survivors running hard.Happy_Misanthrope posted:Dunno thinking some events which unfolded before that may have affected her judgment Yeah, but the girl had nothing to do with it, and she knew killing her wouldn't accomplish anything at all. What is that except spite?
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Thom12255 posted:Dany hate is completely unjustified. I like Dany, but she is seriously becoming "the crazy Targaryen". Her brother was a creep and all but right now she's on the direct path to becoming The Mad Queen.
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Bobo the Red posted:Yeah, but the girl had nothing to do with it, and she knew killing her wouldn't accomplish anything at all. What is that except spite? A crime of passion, which would probably be a very viable defense if she were in a modern trial.
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Bobo the Red posted:Wildling army is definitely and totally dead by White Walkers. I think what the Night Watch see as an attack, will be the few survivors running hard. She swears on everything that unless she gets her way she will kill the girl and is just laughed at while her last son is murdered right there over his womb-stabbed pregnant wife. Beep-boop, why isn't she acting rational about this?
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BioMe posted:She swears on everything that unless she gets her way she will kill the girl and is just laughed at while her last son is murdered right there over his womb-stabbed pregnant wife. I'm not saying I expect her to be rational. I'm saying it was a dick move. I know the Starks are pseudo-protagonists, but that doesn't mean that Cat killing a girl for no reason doesn't kinda make her an rear end in a top hat. Same with Arya, and even Bran. MrBims posted:A crime of passion, which would probably be a very viable defense if she were in a modern trial. "I was scared and angry, so I killed a lady who was next to me (who was scared and innocent)."
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The Starks are all about honor. She was just keeping true to her word.
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Cat kind of died inside when Robb was killed, since she had on a cold dead stare from the moment Robb dies to the moment she dies. Even if they didn't kill her I don't think she'd be in the right state of mind for the rest of her life.
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So what happens to Tyrion if his champion in the trial by combat dies in the battle? Does the Mountain just immediately go over and chop his head off or something?
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olin posted:So what happens to Tyrion if his champion in the trial by combat dies in the battle? Does the Mountain just immediately go over and chop his head off or something? Tyrion would be guilty (the gods have judged him guilty by letting his champion lose) but I think it still would by up to Tywin what the punishment would be.
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Happy_Misanthrope posted:There's no end to what you can do when you don't give a gently caress about particular people! You can do anything! Joke or not, I groan every time someone insists the pyramids were built by slave labor.
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olin posted:So what happens to Tyrion if his champion in the trial by combat dies in the battle? Does the Mountain just immediately go over and chop his head off or something? It just means that he's guilty. Basically by choosing trial by combat he gave up his right to a trial by the people in exchange for a trial by the Gods. If his champion wins, he's innocent and if he loses, he's guilty. The punishment in that case will be whatever the judge (Tywin) decides it should be. e: beaten like whoever will lose the fight in two weeks
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The newest and 3rd actor who plays the mountain seems like he has kind eyes or something. He just doesn't give off that monster vibe that we need. Maybe it's his pristine trimmed beard and chest hair, I don't know. This is a guy who sodomizes little girls to death. Why did they cast a guy who looks like a nicer stone cold steve austin?
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regulargonzalez posted:If you think Robert Anton Wilson and William Gibson write better prose than GRRM ... well I dunno what to tell you. You have unique tastes, I guess. If anyone deserves the backhanded compliment of "oh he's a good storyteller but is bad at the writing thing" it's William Gibson. Gibson's no Nabokov, but he's a vastly superior prose stylist to GRRM. GRRM's gift is writing tightly plotted(at least by comparison to what's typical for the genre) fantasy that departs from the stale tropes of fantasy and which maintains a sort of soap opera feel, which makes sense given his time as a screenwriter. His characters aren't cardboard cut-outs, which is more than most genre authors can manage, but they're not very psychologically nuanced portraits nor is the dialogue particularly well-written. When GoT falters it's when the unity of action dissipates, which is why all the Yunkai stuff is so dull. Cut all the Dany stuff completely and the show still works. Bobo the Red posted:Cat was dumb, and also a dick. She put Robb in a super awkward position by releasing Jaime (ultimately costing him one of his bannermen, whose crime was kinda lesser than Cat's). Also she cut that girl's throat at the Red Wedding out of spite. Girl had nothing to do with it, and Frey obviously gave no fucks, so she just did it to be petty. The Cat hate from goony GoT fans is almost as bad as the Skyler hate was with Breaking Bad. At least Catelyn had a good reason for releasing Jaime, and her plan made sense given the Lannister obsession for paying their debts. There's nothing unrealistic about a prisoner exchange in GoT, the objection to it seemed based mainly on the desire for revenge on the part of some of Robb's men. Robb, on the other hand, throws away a vital alliance and helps to precipitate the Red Wedding by ditching his arranged marriage with the Freys for no better reason than wanting some Braavosi strange.
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precision posted:The problem is that it is predictable. "Here is a character that is awesome. He/she will suffer horribly." It's bad storytelling not because bad things happen to people we like, but because everything becomes telegraphed. Jaime becomes likable? Hand chopped off. Ned dies. Robb gets Red Wedding'd. It's something you have to use sparingly, and not do it to every loving character. I'm already fully expecting The Hound to die this season purely because he has become a very interesting character. Hey, I have to object here. Nobody saw Ned's death or the Red Wedding coming, so it's hardly telegraphed. The Ned thing was a case of 'fool me once'. The RW was a case of 'fool me twice', and because we never get passed being fooled twice that we get bitter about every death after that. BubbleGoose fucked around with this message at 21:02 on May 20, 2014 |
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Thom12255 posted:Dany hate is completely unjustified. I agree. But Emilia Clarke is just awful. She's so boring to watch.
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