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Bobo the Red posted:I don't like Cat because her dying act was to murder an innocent woman. Sorry if that's "goony". Hey, she made a vow. She had to fulfill it. Unlike the men in her life, she takes her vows seriously.
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FRINGE posted:Great worlds come back around again and again Unless you obliterate them at the end 
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May 21, 2014 09:51
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rypakal posted:Hey, she made a vow. She had to fulfill it. Unlike the men in her life, she takes her vows seriously. Ned took his vows seriously  ...Well maybe except the marriage one that one time.
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May 21, 2014 10:06
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Great Enoch posted:I know it's an old conversation from four years ago but the action direction for the swordplay has definitely got a lot better in the last two seasons. Jaime's sparring sessions with Bronn were great. Looking forward to the trial by combat. Jaime vs. Bronn wasn't a fight, but a dangerous fighter beating up a handicapped guy. Good scene, but not a fight. I especially dislike the recent fights in Essos last season, with our band of heroes murdering mooks while quipping manlyly. Asha vs. Ramsay, or Jon at Craster's Keep were boring too. They felt a lot more like action for the sake of action to me. Also, the Mountain murdering starved prisoners was one of the worst scenes of the series. However, the preview for 8 looks exciting in this regard. (Previews aren't spoilers, right?)
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May 21, 2014 11:01
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Cingulate posted:The most interesting fights happened in the first season IMO. Bronn championing Tyrion, or Jorah championing Dany, or Mountain vs. Hound. They all had an idea, which is why they were interesting to watch. I wasn't complaining about the choreography so much (although I didn't like it either - they seemed to follow this conflicting logic of trying to emphasise the weight and inertia of steel while making them act like lightsabers when it suited them or when they actually stopped dueling and contacted flesh) as the direction, shooting and the actor's performances. You could clearly see that they're swinging their way through a planned choreography that was supposed to imply messiness and improvisation. They got that down a lot tighter now, especially with shooting and editing for pace. It's not really a criticism as it's an incredibly hard thing to accomplish, especially with weapons that people don't actually know that much about anymore. The mountain shot this ep. was pretty loving terrible though. You wonder why some directors and DPs on TV have such bad ideas.
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May 21, 2014 11:12
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May 21, 2014 11:15
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Great Enoch posted:I wasn't complaining about the choreography so much (although I didn't like it either - they seemed to follow this conflicting logic of trying to emphasise the weight and inertia of steel while making them act like lightsabers when it suited them or when they actually stopped dueling and contacted flesh) as the direction, shooting and the actor's performances. You could clearly see that they're swinging their way through a planned choreography that was supposed to imply messiness and improvisation. They got that down a lot tighter now, especially with shooting and editing for pace. It's not really a criticism as it's an incredibly hard thing to accomplish, especially with weapons that people don't actually know that much about anymore. I'm rather ... Jorah vs. Dothraki dude makes a bunch of important points in story form. Bronn's fight did an enormous amount of characterisation for so many characters. Also, in either case, you feel a real person is gonna end up dead. Jorah, Grey Worm and Daaario killing a bunch of mooks, not so much. Jon at Craster's, not so much. The point was "hero dudes killing mooks because that's inherently exciting right?". Great Enoch posted:The mountain shot this ep. was pretty loving terrible though. You wonder why some directors and DPs on TV have such bad ideas. Cingulate fucked around with this message at 11:41 on May 21, 2014 |
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May 21, 2014 11:22
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Great Enoch posted:I wasn't complaining about the choreography so much (although I didn't like it either - they seemed to follow this conflicting logic of trying to emphasise the weight and inertia of steel while making them act like lightsabers when it suited them or when they actually stopped dueling and contacted flesh) as the direction, shooting and the actor's performances. You could clearly see that they're swinging their way through a planned choreography that was supposed to imply messiness and improvisation. They got that down a lot tighter now, especially with shooting and editing for pace. It's not really a criticism as it's an incredibly hard thing to accomplish, especially with weapons that people don't actually know that much about anymore. Pretty much all of the swordfighting has been bad, but at the very least the action has been exciting. Syrio Forel was legitimately doing a good job with selling the whole Braavosi waterdancing. I think my swordfighting friend mentioned it was like Italian Rapier fencing? I don't know, but he's the only one who moves fast enough. All the other actors look like actors wearing props way heavier than they're used to. If you imagine the Brienne/Loras fight had been going on for about 20 minutes before Catelyn walked in, it actually looks really good, comparatively.
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May 21, 2014 11:26
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Ratios and Tendency posted:The 2/3rds of Perdido Street Station that I managed to get through were atrocious. I'm so sorry for your loss. 
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May 21, 2014 11:32
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Napoleon Bonaparty posted:Pretty much all of the swordfighting has been bad, but at the very least the action has been exciting. Syrio Forel was legitimately doing a good job with selling the whole Braavosi waterdancing. I think my swordfighting friend mentioned it was like Italian Rapier fencing? I don't know, but he's the only one who moves fast enough. All the other actors look like actors wearing props way heavier than they're used to. If you imagine the Brienne/Loras fight had been going on for about 20 minutes before Catelyn walked in, it actually looks really good, comparatively. It's basically a consequence of having to slow down everything so that spectators can still make sense of it. If they went at it at a realistic pace it'd generally be over in a few seconds and you'd have a hard time following what happened until one of them falls over bleeding. Plus of course there'd be the increased risk of injury for the actors. Acting like everything has a huge weight is just a somewhat more immersive way of selling the slow movements.
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May 21, 2014 11:50
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Cingulate posted:The most interesting fights happened in the first season IMO. Bronn championing Tyrion, or Jorah championing Dany, or Mountain vs. Hound. They all had an idea, which is why they were interesting to watch. Whats funny about this is all the fights in your good list are straight from the books, and all the fights from your bad list were made up for the show (some due to plot changes, some due to there just not being a POV character to see them).
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May 21, 2014 14:22
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Xenoborg posted:Whats funny about this is all the fights in your good list are straight from the books, and all the fights from your bad list were made up for the show (some due to plot changes, some due to there just not being a POV character to see them).
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May 21, 2014 14:31
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Cingulate posted:The most interesting fights happened in the first season IMO. Bronn championing Tyrion, or Jorah championing Dany, or Mountain vs. Hound. They all had an idea, which is why they were interesting to watch.
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May 21, 2014 14:32
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regulargonzalez posted:You left out the best fight, also from S1 -- Jaime vs. Ned Also the second best fight -- Brienne vs Jaime , it was a big moment for Jaime because it set forth in motion the decline into being powerless in his situation.
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May 21, 2014 14:39
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FRINGE posted:All you word-haters never want to read any of the other long modern fantasy sagas. Janny Wurts will make you cry. So she writes for books like I write on IRC, on SA, or during an RTS/FPS/MOBA game. I think I have found my prosemate!
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May 21, 2014 15:04
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Still waiting to see a first Barristan Selmy fight. A man with a career and reputation like his should not die of old age...
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May 21, 2014 15:05
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Xenoborg posted:Whats funny about this is all the fights in your good list are straight from the books, and all the fights from your bad list were made up for the show (some due to plot changes, some due to there just not being a POV character to see them). No, that's not funny, or interesting. Why do people keep making "the things people like about this show are ripped straight from the books  posts.Because I'm pretty sure the books don't star Peter Dinklage.
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May 21, 2014 15:16
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precision posted:No, that's not funny, or interesting. Why do people keep making "the things people like about this show are ripped straight from the books Because you keep going on about how lovely writer GRRM is you idiot.
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May 21, 2014 15:18
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precision posted:No, that's not funny, or interesting. But enough about the OP
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May 21, 2014 15:19
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May 21, 2014 15:25
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Perestroika posted:If they went at it at a realistic pace it'd generally be over in a few seconds and you'd have a hard time following what happened until one of them falls over bleeding. You know what causes me to have a hard time following what happens? Cutting the damned camera every 1.5 seconds. I'd love to see more fight scenes in more shows/movies holding shots for longer. I know it's done because you need to swap stunt doubles in and out all the time*, but goddamn, I wish more actors could make less use of stunt doubles. It'll never happen, of course, but I can dream. *and because a fake swing looks nothing like a real swing if you see it from the wrong angle
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May 21, 2014 15:32
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precision posted:No, that's not funny, or interesting. Why do people keep making "the things people like about this show are ripped straight from the books It is because they dont understand that being critical of somebody's prose while still admiring their knack for story telling/scene construction/dialogue is possible. Basically they dont know the definition of prose. ...Then again they like grrm's writing so their grasp on quality prose is tenuous at best 
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May 21, 2014 15:36
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I wish I had an English degree I could use to win petty dick waving contests on the internet.
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May 21, 2014 15:38
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Irish Joe posted:I wish I had an English degree I could use to win petty dick waving contests on the internet. You don't need one! You can just wave your own petty dick around.
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May 21, 2014 15:41
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Stonefish posted:You know what causes me to have a hard time following what happens? Cutting the damned camera every 1.5 seconds. But it's TV and you have to show faces it seems, the latest 300 movie was hilarious for that. There was a named Greek dude that charged into some redshirts and just before jumping in to fight then he ripped his helmet off.
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May 21, 2014 15:43
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Irish Joe posted:I wish I had an English degree I could use to win petty dick waving contests on the internet. Oh you don't need a degree to win arguments on the internet; just keep posting and posting until the thread gets gassed. How's that for some prose?
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May 21, 2014 15:43
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Tirranek posted:One conceit doesn't mean anything goes. That said, if you look at somewhere like Machu Pichu it isn't toooo much of a stretch. Yes it does. Magic is the answer you're looking for
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May 21, 2014 16:02
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old dog child posted:Yes it does. Magic is the answer you're looking for You are confusing fantasy with surrealism.
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May 21, 2014 16:07
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No, it's true specifically for this series. If you look harder than "magic" then you're making poo poo up e: sry spoilers
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May 21, 2014 16:10
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old dog child posted:No, it's true specifically for this series. If you look harder than "magic" then you're making poo poo up Fiction doesn't have to make sense because it's all made up, okay.
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May 21, 2014 16:13
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BioMe posted:Fiction doesn't have to make sense because it's all made up, okay. :cue more jokes about the mountain:
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e: had my coffee don't care anymore
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Rejected Fate posted:Ned took his vows seriously Nah, he kept that one
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thathonkey posted:It is because they dont understand that being critical of somebody's prose while still admiring their knack for story telling/scene construction/dialogue is possible. Basically they dont know the definition of prose. Alright, I'm a plebeian book reader, so explain to what you mean by prose. This complaint keeps getting posted like a hot buzzword but I still have no idea what you mean by it. I know what prose is, what's bad about GRRMs? Is there an example, anything particular?
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Raserys posted:Alright, I'm a plebeian book reader, so explain to what you mean by prose. This complaint keeps getting posted like a hot buzzword but I still have no idea what you mean by it. I know what prose is, what's bad about GRRMs? Is there an example, anything particular? They are bitching about sentence structure, vocabulary, and other things that are only important to those insecure about their intellectual prowess.
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Raserys posted:Alright, I'm a plebeian book reader, so explain to what you mean by prose. This complaint keeps getting posted like a hot buzzword but I still have no idea what you mean by it. I know what prose is, what's bad about GRRMs? Is there an example, anything particular? quote:You read the books? Hah! So did I! Yeah, and they were the worst! 
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TheWordOfTheDayIs posted:Oh you don't need a degree to win arguments on the internet; just keep posting and posting until the thread gets gassed. Gas thread ban 80,000 word OP's. With Lyssa dead does that mean Peter is Lord of the Vale? Or is that little titty-sucker Robin lord? If so I would imagine he'll be the next one out the Moon Door..
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TheWordOfTheDayIs posted:They are bitching about sentence structure, vocabulary, and other things that are only important to those insecure about their intellectual prowess. Yep. Pretty much this. It is a pretentious thing to gripe about for sure but people who are into literature probably wont be able to ignore it.
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Irish Joe posted:I wish I had an English degree I could use to win petty dick waving contests on the internet. But then you'll never get a job!!!!!
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If we're now seriously saying that quality of prose doesn't matter in fiction then please close the thread forever because what the actual gently caress.
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