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I feel like I read that Yoda was still a pupped in Ep I but CG in the next two. Thus the flip fighting.
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Electromax posted:I feel like I read that Yoda was still a pupped in Ep I but CG in the next two. Thus the flip fighting. It's true, though I think they replaced the puppet with the CG Yoda on the blu-ray?
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May 21, 2014 17:57
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On the TPM DVD commentary McCallum said that there was only one entirely CGI-free shot in the film (the shot of gas coming out of the vent at the beginning). Not entirely related to the conversation here, but I just wanted to plug those commentaries (and especially the 2004 OT commentaries - Kershner's commentary is especially amazing).
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May 21, 2014 18:15
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Now this is cool as gently caress. Shows a lot of the models and practical effects that were used for the prequels. A lot of it surprised me! http://boards.theforce.net/threads/practical-effects-in-the-prequels-sets-pictures-models-etc.50017310/
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May 21, 2014 18:37
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MrBigglesworth posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfNiC9iKM0Q Mr. Onslaught posted:
 I'm actually kind of excited about new Star Wars now. It's very reassuring to see practical effects in a Star Wars movie again.
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May 21, 2014 18:45
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Yeah I love all the independently moving space turkeys  MrBigglesworth posted:Now this is cool as gently caress. Shows a lot of the models and practical effects that were used for the prequels. A lot of it surprised me! So cool I posted it three posts ago. 
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May 21, 2014 18:52
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Did Episode III's CG seem way behind the times? I mean we got the Podrace in 1999. I feel like, for instance the background when Padme tells Anakin she's pregnant.... Eugh. It's awful.
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May 21, 2014 18:54
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Neo Rasa posted:So cool I posted it three posts ago. Maybe you should math better?
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MrBigglesworth posted:Maybe you should math better? Oh man seriously? You quoted my post, the second post before it I talked about CG Yoda, the third before it I posted has the link I'm sorry I'm still continuing this amazing conversatapoafuy0pq89ehraosfjersd Neowyrm posted:Did Episode III's CG seem way behind the times? I mean we got the Podrace in 1999. I feel like, for instance the background when Padme tells Anakin she's pregnant.... Eugh. It's awful. Some of it really is bad, though Episode II has some awful spots also. I think part of it is because Episode III had a lot more CG effects happening on top of actual sets instead of just backgrounds seen in Episode I. Like Mustafar is a set and a miniature set that actually looks really cool but has tons of CG layered over it. I think my least favorite is the alien on Kamino in Episode II though for the trifecta of bad CG, completely lifeless, and boring writing. Has any information about the story for Episode VII come out besides it being rewritten a bit to be more about Luke/Han/Leia? No Lando? I mean Billy Dee Williams did the Star Wars cameo in the Lego Movie and even did a Lando-themed Dancing with the Stars act and does voice work for Lando so it's not like he wouldn't be interested, what happened? Well... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ8_7w83r3Q
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 hehe e: that page also holds the TRUE SECRET for why the prequel trilogy turned out inferior... a phantom menace: 
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May 21, 2014 19:10
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Electromax posted:
I would almost pay for a cut of the movies where Jar Jar is just this dude in a sick visor/Jar Jar hat.
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May 21, 2014 19:15
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Electromax posted:
So that's the origin of those reports from the set of Episode I where I read that Ahmad Best was cracking everybody up.
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May 21, 2014 19:24
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Neowyrm posted:Did Episode III's CG seem way behind the times? I mean we got the Podrace in 1999. I feel like, for instance the background when Padme tells Anakin she's pregnant.... Eugh. It's awful. A lot of the Podrace was done with miniatures, actually. But I think the CG in all the prequels is basically as good as any other movie coming out in the same time period. People generally praise the CG in movies they're predisposed to like, and disparage it in movies they're predisposed to hate. Which is why the Lord of the Rings movies are constantly praised on this front, even beating out the prequels for Academy Awards, even though the CGI in them is clearly inferior to the prequels' in many ways. Mr. Onslaught posted:
This guy's pretty cool. But it's not like this movie is automatically going to be good just because J.J. knows how to hire people to make puppets, and has all the gently caress off Disney money in the world to do so. e: I mean, I hope it is. I don't want to be one of those guys who hates on something he hasn't seen yet. But J.J. has pretty much consistently disappointed me, so it's going to take a lot before I'm unreservedly optimistic. Cnut the Great fucked around with this message at 20:14 on May 21, 2014 |
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May 21, 2014 20:09
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Benedick Cuckold posted:This guy's pretty cool. But it's not like this movie is automatically going to be good just because J.J. knows how to hire people to make puppets, and has all the gently caress off Disney money in the world to do so. I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that the vast majority of internet commenters are going to hate the new films no matter what their content is, and especially with Abrams at the helm. I can't think of any recent "nerd"-targeted film that has escaped the wrath of vocal and venemous internet fans. Abrams is still the same guy, he's never going to cater to the standards of the RLM/Cinema Sins/tactical realism/"my immersion!" crowd. But those standards are fundamentally opposed to enjoying what movies actually are, and probably unfulfillable. Lord Krangdar fucked around with this message at 20:23 on May 21, 2014 |
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May 21, 2014 20:18
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quote:I can't think of any recent "nerd"-targeted film that has escaped the wrath of vocal and venemous internet fans. Straight out of Jay and Silent Bob Strike back. quote:JAY MrBigglesworth fucked around with this message at 20:26 on May 21, 2014 |
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May 21, 2014 20:21
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Benedick Cuckold posted:A lot of the Podrace was done with miniatures, actually. It's a step in the right direction. Remember the first thing released for Phantom Menace was one of those droid army tanks and it looked cheap as hell even at that time. This sets a bar to at least have all the folks be real costumes/makeup instead of another Jar Jar or Watto. I mean that alone would given the cast more to work with and make things slightly better. I feel like in the prequels Christopher Lee was the only one who was able to really consistently handle himself around and in the effects at all times, everyone else majorly falters at some point. There's a great one towards the end of Attack of the Clones when Anakin/Kenobi are headed towards Geonosis. Obi-Wan lands on this arid, hot looking planet and is trying to get in touch with Anakin and he tightly clutches his robe around him sadly whimpering Anakin's name into a communicator like he's freezing to death. It's brief but amazing.
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Lord Krangdar posted:I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that the vast majority of internet commenters are going to hate the new films no matter what their content is, and especially with Abrams at the helm. I can't think of any recent "nerd"-targeted film that has escaped the wrath of vocal and venemous internet fans. Dredd. District 9. Captain America 2. Pacific Rim. Chronicle. Predators. All have had their detractors, but for the most part, I think these were almost universally liked. You can't please everybody, but you can come drat close.
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Lord Krangdar posted:I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that the vast majority of internet commenters are going to hate the new films no matter what their content is, and especially with Abrams at the helm. I can't think of any recent "nerd"-targeted film that has escaped the wrath of vocal and venemous internet fans. Well, I for one am going to try to be fair to it. Maybe I'm deluding myself. But at the same time there's a good chance that I might end up liking it just because it's a Star Wars movie, so who knows. Really I just hope it has a good, meaningful story, and doesn't self-consciously try to rehash the originals simply in order to appease fanboys. Those are the two main dangers, I think. I'm a bit worried about the story because I've never felt Abrams was a very strong writer, and while Kasdan is very good at writing dialogue and believable characters, behind-the-scenes stuff from the original Star Wars makes it seem like he doesn't have a clue when it comes to big picture stuff. And as far as rehashing the originals, well, this is the guy who decided we absolutely had to see Benedict Cumberbatch as Khan for some reason. Neo Rasa posted:It's a step in the right direction. Remember the first thing released for Phantom Menace was one of those droid army tanks and it looked cheap as hell even at that time. This sets a bar to at least have all the folks be real costumes/makeup instead of another Jar Jar or Watto. I mean that alone would given the cast more to work with and make things slightly better. I feel like in the prequels Christopher Lee was the only one who was able to really consistently handle himself around and in the effects at all times, everyone else majorly falters at some point. I liked Watto. He was a cool looking character and an example of a good alien design that couldn't be achieved with practical effects. And as far as I know there weren't any practical droid army tanks even used in the movie. Any that you saw were probably models used for lighting reference that didn't have to look movie quality. edit: And I think you're set to be disappointed if you think all the characters are going to be people in costumes or makeup. I don't think even Disney would want to splurge that much. Cnut the Great fucked around with this message at 20:40 on May 21, 2014 |
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May 21, 2014 20:32
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Hey I have a crazy loving idea! Let's reserve judgement until we view the final product? Is that too much to ask?
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Tuxedo Jack posted:Dredd. District 9. Captain America 2. Pacific Rim. Chronicle. Predators. Ok, I will admit that I haven't seen any backlash against Captain America 2. But the common thread between Dredd, District 9, Pacific Rim, and Chronicle was that they were not part of long-running or well-known franchises like Star Wars. And as far as I know even at their heights none of them were really successful or well-known enough to attract noticeable backlashes. I didn't think anyone liked Predators. Benedick Cuckold posted:And as far as rehashing the originals, well, this is the guy who decided we absolutely had to see Benedict Cumberbatch as Khan for some reason. Aside from a few scenes which were direct (out of place, IMO) references to the past entries in the franchise he didn't actually seem very related to the 'classic' Khan, though. To me it was odd that they had him as Khan at all, not that they tried to make him too much a rehash of the old Khan. Lord Krangdar fucked around with this message at 20:39 on May 21, 2014 |
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May 21, 2014 20:35
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MrBigglesworth posted:Hey I have a crazy loving idea! Let's reserve judgement until we view the final product? Is that too much to ask? Okay, good idea. All right everyone, you heard MrBigglesworth. All discussion and speculation re: Episode VII, positive or negative, is officially closed until the movie comes out next year and we can speak with authority about the finished product. I guess we should just go back to navel gazing about the prequels like we've been doing.
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Lord Krangdar posted:Ok, I will admit that I haven't seen any backlash against Captain America 2. But the common thread between Dredd, District 9, Pacific Rim, and Chronicle was that they were not part of long-running or well-known franchises like Star Wars. Fair. The point I'm making, though, is that even when youre dealing with properties this old and beloved, it is possible to please the casuals and the hardcore fans, if you approach the material the right way. The success of the Marvel films is proof that existing material can be translated and updated and still please everyone. Star Wars is harder, because of the polarity of the prequels versus the originals, but I'm going to give Disney the benefit of the doubt, despite the fact that I think Abrams is a loving hack.
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May 21, 2014 20:40
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Tuxedo Jack posted:Fair. I would give Abrams the benefit of the doubt too if he wasn't doing stuff like co-writing the screenplay. I don't really think he's a hack. Despite all the lens flare jokes and whatnot, I think he's a perfectly competent director.
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Benedick Cuckold posted:I would give Abrams the benefit of the doubt too if he wasn't doing stuff like co-writing the screenplay. I don't really think he's a hack. Despite all the lens flare jokes and whatnot, I think he's a perfectly competent director. Also fair. I blame him for a lot of NuTrek faults that are really more in Lindelof and Orci's court. Either way, I'm genuinely excited.
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He was the head writer for the first two seasons of Alias. That's good enough in my book.
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Benedick Cuckold posted:Okay, good idea. All right everyone, you heard MrBigglesworth. All discussion and speculation re: Episode VII, positive or negative, is officially closed until the movie comes out next year and we can speak with authority about the finished product. I guess we should just go back to navel gazing about the prequels like we've been doing. I think pre-emptively making GBS threads all over Epsiode 7 is a bit pre-mature. People bitched and griped to no end when Disney bought Marvel, but poo poo themselves happy when Avengers came out. Speculation is just that, but being all down on it before we even have 1 second of a teaser trailer....jesus christ, give a rest already. Lucas's familiarity with your adolescent butthole has been discussed ad naseum.
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thrawn527 posted:He was the head writer for the first two seasons of Alias. That's good enough in my book. Supposed hacks Orci and Kurtzman were also main writers for those seasons.
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May 21, 2014 20:53
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thrawn527 posted:He was the head writer for the first two seasons of Alias. That's good enough in my book. Because doing a few good things back in the day means everything you do will be great... Look at George Lucas!
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Tuxedo Jack posted:Because doing a few good things back in the day means everything you do will be great... Look at George Lucas! Not everything, but I also liked both of his Star Trek movies and Super 8. Oh, and both of his Mission Impossible movies. I just mean that I don't believe he can't write, like everyone else here seems to. He makes media that is right up my alley. edit: Undercovers was pretty awful, I'll grant you that.
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May 21, 2014 21:06
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thrawn527 posted:He was the head writer for the first two seasons of Alias. That's good enough in my book. There's still Kasdan. And Disney keeping a short leash on JJ. The mystery box is loving buried and they have done absolutely everything they can to make this the perfect sequel.
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Trump posted:There's still Kasdan. And Disney keeping a short leash on JJ. The mystery box is loving buried and they have done absolutely everything they can to make this the perfect sequel. Perhaps my intent was unclear. I was pointing to his working on the first two seasons of Alias as a huge plus.
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thrawn527 posted:Not everything, but I also liked both of his Star Trek movies and Super 8. Oh, and both of his Mission Impossible movies. I just mean that I don't believe he can't write, like everyone else here seems to. NuTrek is really polarizing. A lot of die hard Trek nerds hate them (myself included). That being said, I really enjoyed Cloverfield and early LOST, but Super 8 is garbage. Super 8, however, is some serious proof that the guy can emulate other styles, which is paramount in giving him the reigns to a sequel over a reboot. He's not entirely awful as a director or writer, but lets not treat JJ like he's some auteur. He's had some missteps.
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I find most of Abrams work to be really mediocre. I think I enjoyed his first Star Trek the most, but perhaps only because it was nice to see the franchise again after not having watched it for many years Super 8 was competently filmed but it was so so uninteresting
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Tuxedo Jack posted:He's not entirely awful as a director or writer, but lets not treat JJ like he's some auteur. He's had some missteps. If by missteps you mean films that aren't universally liked, sure. But what does anything you said have to do with him being considered an auteur or not?
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Tuxedo Jack posted:I really enjoyed Cloverfield and early LOST, but Super 8 is garbage. Abrams didn't direct or write Cloverfield, though
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Tuxedo Jack posted:NuTrek is really polarizing. A lot of die hard Trek nerds hate them (myself included). That being said, I really enjoyed Cloverfield and early LOST, but Super 8 is garbage. I agree his Star Trek movies are really polarizing. But I think the main reason for that is because they felt very very much like Star Wars films more than Star Trek films. I get why Star Trek fans would be pissed about that. But as long as he doesn't go and make a Star Wars film that feels like a Star Trek film, I'll be fine. I really enjoyed Super 8, but I get that a big part of that is that the film is playing on my nostalgia of movies like that, such as E.T.. Doesn't change that I still liked it.
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Tuxedo Jack posted:NuTrek is really polarizing. A lot of die hard Trek nerds hate them (myself included). That being said, I really enjoyed Cloverfield and early LOST, but Super 8 is garbage. I actually think he'd be a really good fit for Star Wars because Star Wars itself is such a great pulpy adventure story compared to how the best Trek goes above and beyond that. If he can just emulate the snappiness of the original trilogy's scripts I think we'll get a really fun movie out of it. Stuff like the effects, the acting, I mean these things will be fine even if I'm going to nitpick every silly little thing I dislike about them like all are.
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Lord Krangdar posted:If by missteps you mean films that aren't universally liked, sure. But what does anything you said have to do with him being considered an auteur or not? Poor word choice on my part. I'm saying that no one is infallible, and Abrams is given a lot more regard than I think he's earned. Zzulu posted:Abrams didn't direct or write Cloverfield, though My mistake. thrawn527 posted:I agree his Star Trek movies are really polarizing. But I think the main reason for that is because they felt very very much like Star Wars films more than Star Trek films. I get why Star Trek fans would be pissed about that. But as long as he doesn't go and make a Star Wars film that feels like a Star Trek film, I'll be fine. I get that, Super 8 did have a lot going for it visually, it was just painfully boring. I am very optimistic for these films, i just dont think Abrams is that great, overall.
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