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No More Heroes posted:Gas thread ban 80,000 word OP's. With Lyssa dead does that mean Peter is Lord of the Vale? Or is that little titty-sucker Robin lord? If so I would imagine he'll be the next one out the Moon Door.. Trigger warning: succession chat Sweetrobin is the Lord of the Vale and has been since his father's death in the first season. Littlefinger will, presumably, become Lord Protector of the Vale in Lysa's stead until the boy comes of age, but he has ZERO claim on the Eyrie. In the event of Sweetrobin's death, Lordship will pass to the next Arryn heir.
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No More Heroes posted:Gas thread ban 80,000 word OP's. With Lyssa dead does that mean Peter is Lord of the Vale? Or is that little titty-sucker Robin lord? If so I would imagine he'll be the next one out the Moon Door.. Robyn is still Lord of the Vale, and has been since Jon Arryn died, but Petyr has set himself up as whatever the non-royal equivalent of regent is. e:f;b
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Speaking of succession chat: I'm guessing Cercei is currently Tywin's heir (assuming Tyrion either gets Mountain'ed or otherwise removed from the line of succession), what happens after her? Would it go to Tommen, or back to another Lannister?
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May 21, 2014 17:46
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For once I watched the preview and I'm concerned now that Sansa will do a Stupid Thing again and rat on Littlefinger and the unsubstantiated hatred of her becomes a little more substantiated.
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monster on a stick posted:Speaking of succession chat: It'd be Tommen. Tywin is probably not happy with this because Tommen is a Baratheon by name. Though I'm still not sure if Cercei, as the daughter, inherits ahead of Kevan, as the brother. I don't think anything in the show has indicated who will succeed Tywin other than that he wants it to be Jaime and not Tyrion.
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Tenebrais posted:It'd be Tommen. Tywin is probably not happy with this because Tommen is a Baratheon by name. Of course, Tommen could give it to a Lannister of his choice, like Robert gave the Baratheon seat to Renly after he became king. It just wouldn't be Tywin's line like Tywin wants.
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Lycus posted:Of course, Tommen could give it to a Lannister of his choice, like Robert gave the Baratheon seat to Renly after he became king. It just wouldn't be Tywin's line like Tywin wants. Pretty sure he gave it to Stannis. Renly's claim to the throne was 100% illegitimate and only worked at all because of his charisma. Edit: Nope, I was wrong. Robert was a dick. Bobo the Red fucked around with this message at 19:08 on May 21, 2014 |
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Bobo the Red posted:Pretty sure he gave it to Stannis. Renly's claim to the throne was 100% illegitimate and only worked at all because of his charisma.
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precision posted:If we're now seriously saying that quality of prose doesn't matter in fiction then please close the thread forever because what the actual gently caress. Pretentious ivory tower intellectual spotted. I mean I guess I shouldn't be surprised that a bunch of fantasy literature fans don't think quality of prose matters, or even know what the word prose means.
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kiimo posted:For once I watched the preview and I'm concerned now that Sansa will do a Stupid Thing again and rat on Littlefinger and the unsubstantiated hatred of her becomes a little more substantiated. It would be a pleasant change for her to do something, anything rather than be carried along by the winds of fate like she has for four seasons.
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May 21, 2014 19:38
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If IMDB is to be trusted, Gendry does not in fact appear at all this season. Not once.
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May 21, 2014 19:46
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precision posted:If IMDB is to be trusted, Gendry does not in fact appear at all this season. Not once. You have gotten better at Rowing! (100)
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Maybe GOT has been slow to update future episode casts in order to not inadvertently give away a spoiler? At least that's what I'll be holding on to. Not having even one scene with him this whole season would be a mistake.
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e: gently caress it, its only Wednesday
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May 21, 2014 19:58
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IMDB is rarely accurate about future things, it's just user submitted information after all.
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May 21, 2014 20:09
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HBO is pretty tight-lipped too. I mean, we know Tyrion is still alive by episode 10 because his name is in the description of that episode. So IMDB tells us some stuff, but they're not getting as much information to publicly release as most other, non-HBO companies will throw at them. We can also tell that episode 9 is about the battle between the Night's Watch and the Wildings because it's also literally in the IMDB description.
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Shadow posted:Maybe GOT has been slow to update future episode casts in order to not inadvertently give away a spoiler? A character casting isn't really a spoiler unless it is someone you just don't expect to ever see again for whatever reason, or I guess the result of a battle. And we've known for months what the casting will be for some new characters from this season.
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Napoleon Bonaparty posted:HBO is pretty tight-lipped too. I mean, we know Tyrion is still alive by episode 10 because his name is in the description of that episode. So IMDB tells us some stuff, but they're not getting as much information to publicly release as most other, non-HBO companies will throw at them. We can also tell that episode 9 is about the battle between the Night's Watch and the Wildings because it's also literally in the IMDB description. What if there's a flash-back or recap, doesn't this also imply that the actor's name shows up in the credits?
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You know, if the Total War series has taught me anything it's that a spearman on foot is inferior to a heavy swordsman on foot. I'm spoilering this just in case recognizing that shot of Oberyn with a spear from before the season started and knowing he will use one next episode freaks people out. So the next battle should be interesting
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marktheando posted:Pretentious ivory tower intellectual spotted. Prose cost like three hundred dollares an hour, right?
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No, if you want a make a good adaptation on HBO you need at least some prose working for you.
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precision posted:If we're now seriously saying that quality of prose doesn't matter in fiction then please close the thread forever because what the actual gently caress. marktheando posted:Pretentious ivory tower intellectual spotted.
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precision posted:If we're now seriously saying that quality of prose doesn't matter in fiction then please close the thread forever because what the actual gently caress. Then tell me what's wrong with GRRM's *~prose~*. I mean, I asked on the last page and no one's told me what's bad about it yet.
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 So...... anyway, last week's episode was nice. It was really emotional seeing Tyrion's reaction to Oberyn's story of their first meeting. And while it continues to expose what a gigantic bitch Cersei is, it also told us that Jaime's been Tyrion's protective older brother and has loved him since the very beginning. Then again when wanting to get him laid (though that didn't end well). And then again when he challenges Ned and his posse due to Cat kidnapping Tyrion. Tyrion should be nicer to Jaime. He really does care about him. 
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This was one of the best episodes of the series, as it had so many great well-acted character moments that were consistent with their relationships and really make the show come alive. Tyrion-Jaime and Tyrion-Bronn were very nice capstones to those couplings and Tyrion-Oberyn was sublime. Hot Pie's send-off was a surprisingly good callback, and I like his choosing of what to say in public vs. private. Sandor + Arya was great, as usual, and they revealed more of Sandor without going back on his character. Even Alliser + Jon + other Night's Watch was decent, showing us the middle management culture of a guy like Alliser, who's not actively evil, but feeling insecure and threatened and acting totally understandably given his tenuous position. There were some clunkers, like Gregor's silly scene, and Dany's scenes in general, but overall this is the kind of episode that makes the show. The big flashy eps are only interesting because they are set up so well by moments like the ones here.
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Fugue Stater posted:This was one of the best episodes of the series, as it had so many great well-acted character moments that were consistent with their relationships and really make the show come alive. Tyrion-Jaime and Tyrion-Bronn were very nice capstones to those couplings and Tyrion-Oberyn was sublime. Hot Pie's send-off was a surprisingly good callback, and I like his choosing of what to say in public vs. private. Sandor + Arya was great, as usual, and they revealed more of Sandor without going back on his character. Even Alliser + Jon + other Night's Watch was decent, showing us the middle management culture of a guy like Alliser, who's not actively evil, but feeling insecure and threatened and acting totally understandably given his tenuous position. Yeah, echoing posts made already about the Mountain, that was some of the most annoyingly over-the-top camera work the show has done. It was beyond unnecessary and flat out cheesy. Hmm, how do we make this 6'9 guy seem tall next to this 5'6 or whatever woman? CAMERA TRICKS! Seriously, upon a second viewing, all I could think was "Fee-Fi-Fo-Fum"
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marktheando posted:Pretentious ivory tower intellectual spotted. The argument that pop culture should be judged on its own merits, or by social criteria as opposed to aesthetic norms that emanate from the ruling class, came from and is still almost completely exclusive to the academy.
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Great Enoch posted:The argument that pop culture should be judged on its own merits, or by social criteria as opposed to aesthetic norms that emanate from the ruling class, came from and is still almost completely exclusive to the academy. Is this guy serious?
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Great Enoch posted:The argument that pop culture should be judged on its own merits, or by social criteria as opposed to aesthetic norms that emanate from the ruling class, came from and is still almost completely exclusive to the academy. There you go, there's some impenetrable prose for you.
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Goast posted:Is this guy serious? Sure, there are other arguments against snobbery, but that particular one doesn't really exist outside the academy (see above). Point being that the 'ivory tower' card isn't really helpful (or that accurate) in these discussions.
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I can't wait to see what he says next. I hope HBO options this show.
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Making the IMDB entry right now.
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Shadow posted:Yeah, echoing posts made already about the Mountain, that was some of the most annoyingly over-the-top camera work the show has done. It was beyond unnecessary and flat out cheesy. Hmm, how do we make this 6'9 guy seem tall next to this 5'6 or whatever woman? Bring back S1 Mountain 
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I think he's fine for the most part, but that first shot comes off as less  and more 'wow there's a man on my sword, I did that?'
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:Having read only the first book: The first season is better than the first book character-wise. I think the show nails the Lannisters perfectly, better than the books. Other characters, like Ned, Robert, Arya, Robb, Sandor and Catelyn are also done better in the show than in the books. But most of the other characters are way better in the books, mostly due to the fact that the show doesn't have enough time to develop them, but acting ability also plays a role. I watched the first three seasons of the show before reading the books and I found myself enjoying the first book, but didn't really get hooked until I got to the second. I guess you can say this was mainly due to the fact that the second book is quite different from the second season and there was a lot more stuff cut out, but I also think it was because Martin's skills as a writer had improved. I think GRRM is a great author and the brilliance of the third book pretty much shows what he's capable of when he's really "on". The third book is by far the best. There is a drop in in quality in the fourth and fifth books, but they are still really good reads. I plowed through them so quickly. GRRM is an interesting author because he sort of combines two styles, that of fantasy and that of historical fiction. Yes, I know it's all fiction, but a lot of the political intrigue is, in tone, pretty close to what you would read in a Robert Graves' "I, Claudius", and the whole Lannister/Stark rivalry is earily similar to the War of the Roses Lancaster/York rivalry. When you compare him to other note-able historical fiction authors, ie. James Michener, he falls rather short. But when you compare him to other note-able fantasy writers, ie JK Rowling or Robert Jordan, he's pretty much at their level, maybe even above. He's way better than the average D&D fantasy writer, ie R.A. Salvatore. The only fantasy author I've read that clearly surpasses him is Tolkien. But, when you think of it, Tolkien was also writing his stories as historical fiction rather than as fantasy, only his method was much more old fashioned. Tolkien's fantasy books actually read like translated ancient texts that were part of a greater mythology. GRRM's fantasy books reads more like modern historical fiction and don't come across as a mythology. Just to be clear, I prefer historical fiction over fantasy, so perhaps my opinion is biased in that regard. But I don't think it's a coincidence that two of the most popular fantasy authors, GRRM and Tolkien, both chose to write their fantasy as historical fiction rather than straight up fantasy. Gianthogweed fucked around with this message at 02:30 on May 22, 2014 |
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midnightclimax posted:Are the white walkers explained in the books (origins etc), or are they just "generic undead monsters"? The show has revealed more about them than the books have. Actually, in the books they're called "the others", but the show changed them to "white walkers" to avoid any confusion with the show Lost and their "others". I guess they didn't see Walking Dead coming. But they're not zombies. The white walkers are like a whole 'nother race of sentient beings that we know very little about. Don't confuse them with the Wights though, the undead zombies that Jon fought off in castle black. They seem to be your classic slow walking mindless zombies, but then you have a dude like Berick Dundarion who's undead but seems to be pretty human with some rad scars and some memory loss. Very little is known about how sentient the undead truly are in this show. Gianthogweed fucked around with this message at 02:33 on May 22, 2014 |
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Gianthogweed posted:The show has revealed more about them than the books have. Actually, in the books they're called "the others", but the show changed them to "white walkers" to avoid any confusion with the show Lost and their "others". I guess they didn't see Walking Dead coming. But they're not zombies. The wights are pretty much mindless zombies (the dead guys that came back to life), but the white walkers are like a whole 'nother race of sentient beings that we know very little about. And I hope they stay that way in both books and show. Give them no Bond villainesque monologue about their fiendish plans or have the Night's Watch find some ancient tome or forgotten diary explaining their origins. The only things we should know about them is that they want to kill everyone and bring on an eternal winter.
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Azzents posted:And I hope they stay that way in both books and show. Give them no Bond villainesque monologue about their fiendish plans or have the Night's Watch find some ancient tome or forgotten diary explaining their origins. The only things we should know about them is that they want to kill everyone and bring on an eternal winter. Hell, maybe that's not even what they want (after all, they may need human babies to reproduce). But we shouldn't learn that either. Edit: Guys don't worry so much about the new Mountain, he has a pretty good chance of being very dead very soon. Even better than everyone else, I mean.
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Xealot posted:I'd forgotten how much I loved the Tywin / Arya interaction in that season. It's actually a great counter-example to the argument that new plotlines written just for the show are bad; my understanding is that Arya never met Tywin at Harrenhal, and that whole plot was new. Not really. They just substituted Roose Bolton for Tywin for most of those scenes. But there was some new dialog, and I agree it was great.
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