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| Golf GTI / R / R32 |
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196 | 0.02% |
| Impreza WRX / STi |
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133 | 0.01% |
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92 | 0.01% |
| Veloster Turbo |
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20 | 0.00% |
| Focus ST |
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149 | 0.01% |
| Other Hot Hatch |
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230 | 0.02% |
| Elantra GT |
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1000001 | 99.92% |
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howling_mad posted:Is the Fiesta really that close in price to the Focus? I think you may have just gotten a hell of a deal. Not only are Focuses (Focii?) hard to come by, they didn't seem willing to budge too far from sticker. Last I looked a few months ago the dealers in my proximity only had two among them. And then inexplicably carmax had one too which seemed odd.
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May 22, 2014 22:39
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Depends on the area. Lot of people got deals on close out 2013s.
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May 22, 2014 22:41
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howling_mad posted:Is the Fiesta really that close in price to the Focus? I picked up an ST2 with moonroof and navigation for $22k. You must be in a special part of the world. In SoCal a Focus ST optioned like that is 27k. My Fiesta was around 23k fully loaded minus the worthless sunroof.
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May 22, 2014 22:59
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BoostCreep posted:You must be in a special part of the world. In SoCal a Focus ST optioned like that is 27k. My Fiesta was around 23k fully loaded minus the worthless sunroof. Mine was a close out. It sticked for $28.5k. I guess I'm just surprised that the Fiesta maintains its price so well. The sunroof gets a lot of flak but I like it personally. It's not very big though.
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May 23, 2014 05:17
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I was looking to test drive a FiST soon and there is a dealer trying to sell one for 29k  I've seen a few on autotrader under 20k if you're willing to fly somewhere and drive home.
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May 23, 2014 05:31
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howling_mad posted:Mine was a close out. It sticked for $28.5k. I guess I'm just surprised that the Fiesta maintains its price so well. I think the fact the Fiesta is newer has something to do with it too. When I was shopping around at the beginning of the year I found a few dealers who were offering deals on the Focus but wouldn't budge at all on the Fiesta. The one closest to me had a Molten Orange Fiesta fully equipped for something absurd like 28k which was more than the ST2 they were selling right beside it.
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May 23, 2014 05:58
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howling_mad posted:The sunroof gets a lot of flak but I like it personally. It's not very big though. It's small, too far back, adds about 50lbs to the worst part of the car, and drops the ceiling to the point where someone tall like me couldn't wear a helmet in the car. My head was just about touching the ceiling in the one I test drove. Then the salesman seemed annoyed that the one option I absolutely didn't want was the only one they ordered them with.
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May 23, 2014 13:48
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It does help you flip people off though, so it's a wash.
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May 23, 2014 14:47
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True but it is awkwardly far back so you might end up punching the roof if you just shove your hand straight up. My LTD is great for this. I've been driving it with the top down and had someone beep at me while stopped for some stupid reason and I just turned around and glared at them.
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May 23, 2014 15:28
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Do you have the seat all the way forward or something? I'm 6'2, and while getting in and out of the car is kind of a hassle, the sunroof is at exactly the sunroof is at exactly the right position for optimal derisive expression. For me, anyway.
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May 23, 2014 16:09
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SFH1989 posted:True but it is awkwardly far back so you might end up punching the roof if you just shove your hand straight up. This was the best part of driving my old convertible audi, you can death-stare any motherfucker directly, or holler at them.
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May 23, 2014 17:14
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SFH1989 posted:It's small, too far back, adds about 50lbs to the worst part of the car, and drops the ceiling to the point where someone tall like me couldn't wear a helmet in the car. My head was just about touching the ceiling in the one I test drove. Then the salesman seemed annoyed that the one option I absolutely didn't want was the only one they ordered them with. Valid points. I'm below 6ft, so it hasn't been an issue. It is a bit further back, bit as a glasses wearer I appreciate that. Otherwise light reflects oddly.
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May 23, 2014 17:25
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Atmus posted:Do you have the seat all the way forward or something? I'm 6'2, and while getting in and out of the car is kind of a hassle, the sunroof is at exactly the sunroof is at exactly the right position for optimal derisive expression. For me, anyway. I never actually tried it although knowing how much of a dick the salesman ended up being I should have made him as uncomfortable as possible when I had the chance. The ST was the only Fiesta I've driven with a sunroof. If I was shorter (I'm 6'0") it wouldn't be as much of a problem.
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May 23, 2014 18:23
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SFH1989 posted:I never actually tried it although knowing how much of a dick the salesman ended up being I should have made him as uncomfortable as possible when I had the chance. The ST was the only Fiesta I've driven with a sunroof. If I was shorter (I'm 6'0") it wouldn't be as much of a problem. Oh, that's it. I thought you were talking about Focuses for some reason and your gripes made zero sense.
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May 23, 2014 18:45
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I did a dumb today, I went and test drove a FoST. Now I want one even more. :-( Been looking at every focus I see for a month to see if it's an ST, none were. Drive off and almost immediately saw one. In the blue I want. The salesman that I took the escape test drive with in January was there and recognized me by name even. Was impressed. Minor gripes on the car. Limited visibility, clutch is...strange, compared to my mustang. Very binary, clutch engaged or clutch not engaged. But tons of power when you plant it. Put a smile on my face, which is damned hard to do. I'm 250 and while the recaros were tight, they weren't too bad. That was my biggest worry going in. ilkhan fucked around with this message at 20:28 on May 23, 2014 |
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May 23, 2014 20:19
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ilkhan posted:
I've seen a lot of complaints about the clutch. Interesting, as find it has a fairly wide travel between lugging and stalling. It's friendly and easy to drive smoothly subconsciously compared to my old Subie that needed real concious effort to drive smoothly. Knock on wood I haven't had any issue wide turning circle. Yes, the visibility is horrendous and I'm not convinced one could get used to it. smooth jazz fucked around with this message at 21:04 on May 23, 2014 |
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May 23, 2014 21:02
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I had the chance to beat on both a FoST and a FiST and yeah, the clutch is such a departure from my Mustang that it really threw me for a loop. Once I realized that the travel was about a third of what I'm used to, I just figured out that I could use it like a button and really enjoyed myself. I'm sure I'll pick up an ST2 Focus eventually.
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May 23, 2014 22:41
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Visibility is not that bad, you definitely get used to it. The turning circle, though... woof.
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May 24, 2014 00:48
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Boaz MacPhereson posted:I had the chance to beat on both a FoST and a FiST and yeah, the clutch is such a departure from my Mustang that it really threw me for a loop. Once I realized that the travel was about a third of what I'm used to, I just figured out that I could use it like a button and really enjoyed myself. I'm sure I'll pick up an ST2 Focus eventually. Or maybe I'm still just bad at clutches.  I'm sure I'll get used to the visibility. Just gonna take a while. Now I just need to initiate plan new-job / moving / new-car.
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May 24, 2014 01:01
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I've daily driven stick for nine years and when I drove my friends FoST the first thing I did was stall it. The clutch is somewhat "on/off". The FiST on the other hand felt like my SES at low speed.
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May 24, 2014 03:55
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Way too much Ford talk ITT! (Granted, I'm just jealous of how good I think the Focus ST looks) Bringing it back around to god's favorite Hot Hatch, the STi. I did a thing that made it look and sound more appropriate.  The smudges on the nice clean bumper are from my sweaty face that I was pressing up against as I was grappling with the hangers. Thank you AZ sun. Blame Pyrrhus fucked around with this message at 05:51 on May 24, 2014 |
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May 24, 2014 05:35
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Dude, your face is oily. You should see a dermatologist.
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May 25, 2014 03:55
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You're just jealous that he won't have any wrinkles when he's 50. I wish some word would leak about the Mazdaspeed3 and SRT4.
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May 26, 2014 19:20
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Wheeee posted:You're just jealous that he won't have any wrinkles when he's 50. My face is oily too! I saw a dermatologist! I wish Mazda would say anything firm about future performance cars.
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May 26, 2014 19:24
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Rhyno posted:Dude, your face is oily. You should see a dermatologist. It really isn't though! I got plenty wrong with my physique, but oily skin just normally isn't a problem. A better pic:  I love the way the gaps are actually filled out. Not even the SPT exhaust does that on this car.
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May 26, 2014 19:43
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Linux Nazi posted:It really isn't though! I got plenty wrong with my physique, but oily skin just normally isn't a problem. Nobody believes you! Your username should be EXXON VALDEZ. I am of course just kidding around.
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May 26, 2014 20:00
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Rhyno posted:I wish Mazda would say anything firm about future performance cars. It's too bad they aren't still in bed with Ford because we'd probably have a Mazdaspeed 2 right now.
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May 26, 2014 20:16
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8ender posted:It's too bad they aren't still in bed with Ford because we'd probably have a Mazdaspeed 2 right now. Almost certainly. I keep reading about turbo Skyactive tests but there's not a single concrete word on it actually ending up in a car.
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May 26, 2014 21:13
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What would one hope to get from an updated MS3 that the Focus ST doesn't already accomplish? IIRC (and correct me if I'm wrong) both of the previous generations of those were C1 platform variants, so they seem to be very close to one another in terms of what market they are going after. Is the Skyactive engine got a lot of potential or something?
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May 26, 2014 23:46
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Linux Nazi posted:What would one hope to get from an updated MS3 that the Focus ST doesn't already accomplish? IIRC (and correct me if I'm wrong) both of the previous generations of those were C1 platform variants, so they seem to be very close to one another in terms of what market they are going after. Is the Skyactive engine got a lot of potential or something? It's prettier.
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May 27, 2014 01:45
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More competition never hurt either. Especially when the WRX hatch is out.
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May 27, 2014 02:08
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I think the Mazda2 looks beter than the Fiesta, just sayin. A Mazdaspeed version would probably look hot.
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May 27, 2014 03:00
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CountOfNowhere posted:It's prettier. Perhaps. I like the way the Focus looks though. Though I drive the Subaru, so basically everything's prettier.
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May 27, 2014 03:06
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Rhyno posted:Almost certainly. I keep reading about turbo Skyactive tests but there's not a single concrete word on it actually ending up in a car. Yeah, i'm liking the rumors of a 300hp awd mazdazpeed 3. The rumors of early 2016 and $35,000 not so much.
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May 27, 2014 03:50
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Powershift posted:Yeah, i'm liking the rumors of a 300hp awd mazdazpeed 3. The rumors of early 2016 and $35,000 not so much. I don't need anything that extreme. I really like the looks, outside and inside, of the new Mazda3, but would really prefer a light turbo to be more of a GTI competitor. Not that I would complain about 300HP and AWD, unlikely as it seems, as long as they didn't really dork up the bodykit.
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May 27, 2014 04:06
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Powershift posted:Yeah, i'm liking the rumors of a 300hp awd mazdazpeed 3. The rumors of early 2016 and $35,000 not so much. Wouldn't it be odd for Mazda to go into the Golf-R-esque type hot hatch place? 35k hatchbacks don't sell too hot. Then again maybe that's Mazda's whole deal, sell them at a premium to make up for having to make them in the first place. I am interested to see what the new Mazda 3 tarted up as the 'speed' edition though, I think the Mazda redesign is so boring. 
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May 27, 2014 06:47
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As much as I like my MS3, I think they need to bring back the Mazdaspeed 6 ... Wait they are ! *I hope* http://wot.motortrend.com/we-hear-2014-mazda6-to-gain-coupe-mazdaspeed-variants-281839.html Although they should stop pussyfooting around and just go twin-turbo V8, cause I said so
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May 27, 2014 06:51
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A 2 door Mazdaspeed 6 doesn't make any sense to me. Now bringing back a 4 door MS6 would. The affordable midsized segment is lacking in sports sedan choices.
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May 27, 2014 16:27
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The Speed 6 was really fantastic in the segment. Fast, awd, sedan with a six speed. Not too boy racer. Practical as hell. It should come back to fill the hole for people like me that want a fast sedan but can't afford (good) BMW territory.
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May 27, 2014 18:06
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The article is pretty devoid of facts and mentions a 2 door MS6 being positioned against an A5, which is Buick levels of wishful thinking. If they do build a turbo SkyActiv 2.0 for it, though, putting that into a 3 hatch would be a no-brainer
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May 27, 2014 18:09
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