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Skipopatomus
Aug 30, 2007

Ozzy Osbourne simply duplicated the event.

Flipperwaldt posted:

Germany had a similar thing going with someone else owing the rights to the name gmail somehow.

I think the US did too. it was owned by Garfield (the cat)

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cowtown
Jul 4, 2007

the cow's a friend to me

In case you're still using Gopher, and you need to use a proxy to access it, Mac OS X 10.9 has you covered:

randomidiot
May 12, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 11 years!)

Collateral Damage posted:

I still remember my Fidonet point number. :corsair:

1:381/95 :corsair: (tho that wasn't a point, it was my BBS)

fake edit: just googled my old node #, actually found a few posts from nearly 20 years ago :stare: along with

quote:

--- Telegard v3.02/mL
* Origin: the other side / 915-590-3817 / break on through (1:381/95)

That goes back a little bit..

Keiya
Aug 22, 2009

Come with me if you want to not die.

cowtown posted:

In case you're still using Gopher, and you need to use a proxy to access it, Mac OS X 10.9 has you covered:



I'm not surprised, the current web browser with the best built-in Gopher support (not counting Lynx, which will probably keep being maintained until the sun runs out) is Omniweb for OS X. They implemented it as an April Fools joke, and just kept it because it's so easy to maintain. Of course, Mozilla doesn't think so; they removed their default implementation because of a bug in Safari's handling of URLs. Meh, the Overbite extension has nicer handling anyway.

Leninboarrir
May 11, 2006

stupid monster

Kramdar posted:

I'm digging this up from a couple pages, but the D2 formats was still being used at CBS Television for broadcasting the standard definition versions of their shows. That was up until 2005, the last time I worked on a CBS show. I'm sure they are still using it, or were until 2010-ish. They used the D5 format for broadcasting the HD version at the time too. That tape was smaller, but looked way more delicate than a D2.

I work for the NFL, and for some reason we still use D3 and D5 tapes. They're an absolute bitch because they do not cooperate with our video management software that we use with Final Cut. We have to go through tapes by hand when the computer will normally scroll through and capture footage automatically. They're the worst.

gently caress I HATE D3s

eddiewalker
Apr 28, 2004

Arrrr ye landlubber

Leninboarrir posted:

I work for the NFL, and for some reason we still use D3 and D5 tapes. They're an absolute bitch because they do not cooperate with our video management software that we use with Final Cut. We have to go through tapes by hand when the computer will normally scroll through and capture footage automatically. They're the worst.

gently caress I HATE D3s

NFL Films still has an army of worker bees loading, shooting and processing 16mm reels at every game. I don't think the NFL cares about your convenience. (I work for rightsholders)

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Leninboarrir posted:

I work for the NFL, and for some reason we still use D3 and D5 tapes. They're an absolute bitch because they do not cooperate with our video management software that we use with Final Cut. We have to go through tapes by hand when the computer will normally scroll through and capture footage automatically. They're the worst.

gently caress I HATE D3s

I was still working with MinDVs last year. Those were fun to batch encode with timecodes skipped during a project restoration.

BogDew
Jun 14, 2006

E:\FILES>quickfli clown.fli
I got caught out with DV the other day. After scouring through cables and closets to find a mac that still had FW400, the drat tape would skip and stop capture.

We contemplated the feasibility of a composite to HDMI to feed into a Ninja.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


WebDog posted:

I got caught out with DV the other day. After scouring through cables and closets to find a mac that still had FW400, the drat tape would skip and stop capture.

We contemplated the feasibility of a composite to HDMI to feed into a Ninja.

I at least had the luxury of an AVID Mojo so could just capture without timecode rubbish via HD-SDI. So the only issue then was subclipping it correctly and import into sequence. Still a huge pain in the rear end considering I used to just batch digitize while going on lunch, or a really good way to ease through an afternoon: "I'm supervising the Deck doing capturing in case it stops" *returns to game on phone*

Leninboarrir
May 11, 2006

stupid monster

eddiewalker posted:

NFL Films still has an army of worker bees loading, shooting and processing 16mm reels at every game. I don't think the NFL cares about your convenience. (I work for rightsholders)

On that note, rumor has it that next season will be their last shooting film.

Remulak
Jun 8, 2001
I can't count to four.
Yams Fan

Leninboarrir posted:

On that note, rumor has it that next season will be their last shooting film.
Do they have their own film lab?

Dr. Dos
Aug 5, 2005

YAAAAAAAY!
Turns out the out networking equipment I planned to get from my parents' house while visiting this weekend is more obsolete than I thought and definitely fits here since most people I met never heard of it.

Back in 2003 I got my first computer that was mine and mine alone. At the time there was only one other computer in the house and running ethernet from opposite corners of the house on two different floors wasn't an option. I suggested getting a wireless adapter and a wirless networking card and being done with it!

My parents said no, fearing the internet would be stolen by neighbors and unscrupulous people parked outside or something. Looking into alternatives, we eventually found something called Homeplug



Homeplug used Powerline Networking, an ethernet cable ran from our router and plugged into one of them, which then plugged into a regular electrical socket. Another one in my bedroom went from another socket to my PC, giving me that glorious 1 megabit DSL (that they're still on today :gonk:) in my room.

It was a really neat solution, worked great, and was decently priced. I think each one was $50, which wasn't too bad vs. a wirless router and a network card to connect to it back then. It had a few downsides, which at the time weren't really a big deal for a small home network on cheap DSL. It couldn't be on a powerstrip, as they would interfere with the signal. It was limited to 14 megabits, when a regular ethernet solution would be 100 megabits. (Apparently later models did get up to 100 mbit, which is what I thought they always were and hence why I was going to snag them on this trip.)

Wireless didn't have these limitations and you know, was wireless, but using regular electrical systems for networking still seems really cool to me today.

Alas that 14 megabit cap ruined my plan to clear up some clutter by moving my current cable modem into another room and using them to connect my desktop to it.

Oh, and 5 months after I got my computer my father got a PDA and bought a wireless router so he could have internet access on it :argh:

eddiewalker
Apr 28, 2004

Arrrr ye landlubber
Powerline ethernet is still very much a thing. Linksys still uses the Homeplug brand, even.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00D4SOF3S/ref=cm_sw_r_udp_awd_Ih.Ftb1NDTEGQ

Karasu Tengu
Feb 16, 2011

Humble Tengu Newspaper Reporter
They're not super popular though because lovely old wiring and lovely new wiring isn't stable enough to actually route well. It doesn't help that if something big kicks on and causes a quick dip or surge it'll knock your internet out until it stabilizes again.

Lowen SoDium
Jun 5, 2003

Highen Fiber
Clapping Larry
Homeplug is actually a standard. The newest ones do up to 500 Mbps (theoretically) but all that bandwidth is shared for all the devices you have, similar to WiFi. They also have some issues getting decent bandwidth out of larger houses. But I have a few coworkers who use them with some success.

mystes
May 31, 2006

I think one advantage of powerline networking is supposedly that even if you don't get anywhere near the stated bandwidth or the average throughput you got from wifi, it can be more consistent which is important for streaming video.

Code Jockey
Jan 24, 2006

69420 basic bytes free
I've got a 500 megabit powerline setup because I didn't want to run cat5 between floors of my house - it rules. Fast enough for gaming/whatever, and considerably stronger than the wifi signal is upstairs. Took like 2 mins to set up too.

My house is reasonably new-ish though [2006]


e. still want to wire up the house at some point but we moved the PCs upstairs, network equipment's in the garage, and I was impatient :v: [and the wife hated the like 100' cat5 running from my switch in the garage up through the stairs into the upstairs office...]

BogDew
Jun 14, 2006

E:\FILES>quickfli clown.fli
Is there a Homeplug type device for phone lines? It'd be handy as hell routing phones added to a VOIP as you can't use the old wall jacks and rather keep the phones where they are.

Dracothegoth
Mar 22, 2010
First, might I present:



The iOmega HitZip... this was my personal first mp3 player.. it was god awful.

and:



The Samsung juke, during the heyday of when cellphones were trying to be as small as possible.

let us not forget:



The N-Gage! a lovely failed attempt at gaming and cellphone usage, If they had seen what the future held for gaming on cellphones, they would have poo poo themselves and given up before this abomination was ever created.

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

Hatters gonna hat.

WebDog posted:

Is there a Homeplug type device for phone lines? It'd be handy as hell routing phones added to a VOIP as you can't use the old wall jacks and rather keep the phones where they are.

I have a pair of non-express PCI cards that say 3Com Homeconnect on them. They're rated for 10M networking and were awesome in 1999. I wouldn't be surprised if you can't find them anymore.

cowtown
Jul 4, 2007

the cow's a friend to me

WebDog posted:

Is there a Homeplug type device for phone lines?

Given the thread that we're in, I'll assume you want to connect old Macs together and therefore I recommend Farallon PhoneNet:



Supporting a blistering theoretical maximum of 230 kbit/s, it can co-exist with your telephone wiring so long as you only have one line, since it uses the two wires that are unused with a single-line setup.

BogDew
Jun 14, 2006

E:\FILES>quickfli clown.fli
Well what I actually meant was something that could help extend a phone plugged into a router that didn't involve laying cable through the whole house as I wouldn't have a convenient phone jack to use.

That or I'm seriously behind the times with understanding how VOIP works and how the hell I can patch in two phone lines, one dedicated to the alarm...

Oh look! Data serial splitters!...how quaint.

lazydog
Apr 15, 2003

WebDog posted:

Is there a Homeplug type device for phone lines? It'd be handy as hell routing phones added to a VOIP as you can't use the old wall jacks and rather keep the phones where they are.

WebDog posted:

Well what I actually meant was something that could help extend a phone plugged into a router that didn't involve laying cable through the whole house as I wouldn't have a convenient phone jack to use.

That or I'm seriously behind the times with understanding how VOIP works and how the hell I can patch in two phone lines, one dedicated to the alarm...

Powerline phone adapters do exist, but they frequently have issues and are very susceptible to interference.

I don't know your telephone wiring situation, but you can probably reuse your existing wiring and jacks.
If you aren't using DSL, you can disconnect the phone company wires where they come into your home, freeing up the phone jacks in your home for your own use. You could then plug your voip box into an existing phone jack, and all the other phone jacks in your home should have access to that voip line.

But even if you are using DSL, you probably still have an unused pair of wires running to each phone jack. Telephone lines only need 1 pair of wires, but it's almost always the case that the phone jacks in your home are wired with 2 pair, so that they can support a second phone line without running new cables. If you unscrew a phone jack wall plate, you can look and see what wires you have. In the US, Line 1 is generally red and green, and line 2 is yellow and black. If DSL is coming in on red and green, you could rewire your jacks to use the yellow and black for your VOIP phone line.

BogDew
Jun 14, 2006

E:\FILES>quickfli clown.fli
Well going back onto obsolete, in Australia we still are connected by copper that's getting so old that lines break in a stiff breeze.

Australia being a mix of city and bush we have some interesting issues that afflict our phones lines, such as routinely flooded pits and the fact chief telco have gone to the effort to have sub-contracted bee removalists.
Which is impressive since being sold by the gov they've relied heavily on cost cutting and contractors pretty much poke at the problem with a stick until it gets the barest signal, then leave.

A nice little gallery here.

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Blue On Blue
Nov 14, 2012

eddiewalker posted:

Powerline ethernet is still very much a thing. Linksys still uses the Homeplug brand, even.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00D4SOF3S/ref=cm_sw_r_udp_awd_Ih.Ftb1NDTEGQ

Yep, I just installed a pair in my condo, for streaming movies to my Apple TV from the den

Works great, fast, and setup took all of 30 seconds

Miles better and easier than running Cat5 across floors and through walls, or relying on wireless signals

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


WebDog posted:

Well going back onto obsolete, in Australia we still are connected by copper that's getting so old that lines break in a stiff breeze.

Australia being a mix of city and bush we have some interesting issues that afflict our phones lines, such as routinely flooded pits and the fact chief telco have gone to the effort to have sub-contracted bee removalists.
Which is impressive since being sold by the gov they've relied heavily on cost cutting and contractors pretty much poke at the problem with a stick until it gets the barest signal, then leave.

A nice little gallery here.

Waited 10 months for internet access at my brand new house because of Telstra's bullshit. Had landline, and spotty 4G. 10 months :( . poo poo got real with my complaint when I was doing a photo-op with some construction big-wigs, and there was the federal Communications Minister, local member, state member, state manager of Telstra....plus 3 news channels...once "Any more questions?" was asked I busted out and verbally raped them :) .

Yermaw Zahoor
Feb 24, 2009
Sorry to flog the horse some more, but homeplug stuff can be great. I installed it for some friends with a mega thick walled, no wifi penetration home, and the think I'm a wizard now.

Ron Burgundy
Dec 24, 2005
This burrito is delicious, but it is filling.
I tried two different EoP systems and both resulted in very loud audible high pitch squealing noises on an audio amplifier on the same house circuit. It wasn't one of those things like where only some people can hear a CRT whining at line frequency, this was very loud audio interference that would change as the units sent and received data. The system worked great otherwise. It was a fairly old amp, it may have not have been designed very well for that particular type of interference.

Obsolete technology: Component Hi-Fi

Shugojin
Sep 6, 2007

THE TAIL THAT BURNS TWICE AS BRIGHT...


Dracothegoth posted:

First, might I present:



The iOmega HitZip... this was my personal first mp3 player.. it was god awful.

Did this have the same deal as the big boy drives where a bad disk would ruin a drive and vice versa? :mmmhmm:

BogDew
Jun 14, 2006

E:\FILES>quickfli clown.fli

Ron Burgundy posted:

Component Hi-Fi.
Still pretty sought after by audiophiles and people upgrading their stereos from the 70's and wanting something that kinda matches. Yes you can still get Radio/Amp/CD/Turner combos, still in stereo.

There's also a bit of a retro after-market with hooking up ipods into these things as you can't really go wrong with all the dial VU meters flicking away.

But audiophiles feel they have a bit of a case to prove with so many people just using iTunes on a laptop, piping out 192kbs over tinny speakers, so naturally are going to go balls out insane with gold plated cables and hand carved wood speakers till they get something like this.



For instance a modern Yamaha A-S3000 looks pretty much like what they made back in the 70's with the minimalistic brushed aluminum and chunky dials and switches. Is still in stereo. And costs $8000.


And now for something obsolete...

Just before the HDVD/Blu-Ray wars there was another small war. 1999 saw the rise of two competing audio formats; SA-CD vs DVD-A.

Set to be the "next-gen" of the humble CD, both formats were primed take advantage of 5.1 systems. Early on many released discs were of entire classical suites, able to be heard in one massive go vs being spread out across disks. In fact the classical music market made the most of the format, a good share of SA-CDs released were of classical music.

SA-CD also attracted artists like Pink Floyd who re-mastered Dark Side of the Moon into a 5.1 mix; which admittedly is very cool to hear, for instance one part they originally recorded by running in circles around a mic stand finally got the proper aural effect by moving through your speakers.

The high tide was around 2004 where things like the Lord of the Rings Complete Soundtracks were released in 5.1 and some artists like Sting experimented with recording on SA-CD. The format was being paired up in the stores as a limited edition, you'd buy the regular CD version, or pick up a twin set with the DVD added.

But by 2008 the novelty had worn off as people were in no rush to buy 5.1 systems just to crank out the entire works of Genesis as the whole format was struggling to shake off it's reputation as treats for audiophiles and completionists.

Also to add a damning blow, research proved there was no actual difference in sound quality between a SA-CD, DVD-A and a regular CD. In fact in order to fit all channels into a disc the sampling rate had to be dropped from 192khz (in stereo) to 92khz.

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JediTalentAgent
Jun 5, 2005
Hey, look. Look, if- if you screw me on this, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine, you rat bastard!
We used to have an old 70s-era stereo that I'm pretty sure included the schematics in the owners manual in case you ever had to get something repaired or replaced.

Useless
Sep 13, 2003
I'm keeping three or four fingers crossed you get a buick up the ass before the night is over.

WebDog posted:

For instance a modern Yamaha A-S3000 looks pretty much like what they made back in the 70's with the minimalistic brushed aluminum and chunky dials and switches. Is still in stereo. And costs $8000.


I'm no audiophile and can't imagine paying that much money for stereo equipment, but I have to admit that is a gorgeous piece of design.

Ron Burgundy
Dec 24, 2005
This burrito is delicious, but it is filling.

WebDog posted:

Still pretty sought after by audiophiles and people upgrading their stereos from the 70's and wanting something that kinda matches. Yes you can still get Radio/Amp/CD/Turner combos, still in stereo.

Just don't put your old Marantz on the same circuit as your EoP connectors like I did or you will be listening to the Packet Symphony in E minor all day.

I think it's my turntables subtle way of telling me it hates Pandora.

Mocking Bird
Aug 17, 2011
My not-boyfriend works as an audio-visual installer/tech for rich people and got to hook up a laserdisc player to Wilson speakers (which look like Daleks) and run the whole thing through an amp with visible tubes. For one of the seven rooms with audio in this particular mansion.

Even the lights are controlled via iPhone :allears: This is the future!

All his customers love super audio CDs. I think first gen ps3s play them? It's pretty great sounding admittedly. Apparently laserdisc players have great audio too.

Monday_
Feb 18, 2006

Worked-up silent dork without sex ability seeks oblivion and demise.
The Great Twist

Dracothegoth posted:



The Samsung juke, during the heyday of when cellphones were trying to be as small as possible.

I have one of these. Well, had. I don't use it anymore. I actually found it the other day when looking for my spare phone charger. I even still have the little earbuds that came with it, the phone is so small it uses 1/16 in. headphones.

Zereth
Jul 9, 2003



Shugojin posted:

Did this have the same deal as the big boy drives where a bad disk would ruin a drive and vice versa? :mmmhmm:
Did anybody ever figure out exactly what was going on with that?

BogDew
Jun 14, 2006

E:\FILES>quickfli clown.fli
There were many, many ways a Zip could die.

quote:

In rare cases, a Zip cartridge with disk edge damage could rip off the heads in a Zip drive. The damaged disks could go on to damage the heads of any other drive they were used in.

Jezrael
May 1, 2005
the bagel is an adequate vessel of nutrition

Trilineatus posted:

My not-boyfriend

Are you fishing for a derail here or? Seems like 'friend' would have worked fine


Disclaimer: let's not derail anyway

moller
Jan 10, 2007

Swan stole my music and framed me!

Zereth posted:

Did anybody ever figure out exactly what was going on with that?

Dirty or damaged disks could misalign the head which would then damage the disk which would then damage the head of any drive it was used in and so on. It was an Errorboros.

Keep in mind that this didn't stop Iomega from calling a followup product the Clik! drive.

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BogDew
Jun 14, 2006

E:\FILES>quickfli clown.fli
The Clik! (or PocketZip) really sunk fast as it lined up with notable lawsuits that gave it the most unappealing branding.

It was meant to be a medium density format meant for smaller things like cameras or your laptop's slot drive, but another major disadvantage was the disks were flimsy metal and easily bent. Also right on the horizon were flash drives and SD cards.

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