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marktheando posted:Speculation isn't spoilers. If it's the theory that Jon Snow is actually the son of Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targarean, it was already posted in one of these threads ages ago. I really hope this is explained at some point but who the hell would tell anyone this now that Eddard is dead as well as anyone else who would know? Varys? So that casting leak that came out makes me wonder about a few things. When Oberyn kills the Mountain (Not book reader but guessing as he is awesome and MUST be around a while plus the Martells seem like the next Lannister antagonist) and "proves" Tyrion innocent, might there be a road trip to Dorne? Cersei will still come after Tyrion. Hell, I think Oberyn's speech made it clear that Cersei will never stop tormenting him until one or the other are dead. Tyrion, surrounded by nicer people, would still feel torn if he fought against his family, even if they gave him no other choice. His speech aside, he would never really want to truly turn against them. That and I want Oberyn, Elleria, Tyrion and Bronn's magical adventures on the road drinking and whoring.
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Shadow posted:It's funny, but this brings up a good question of why the seasons are of variable length? I'd love to see this theoretical trip around the sun that this planet is on and how it rotates both on its access and in terms of hemispheric proximity to the sun.
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May 24, 2014 20:41
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Von_Doom posted:I really hope this is explained at some point but who the hell would tell anyone this now that Eddard is dead as well as anyone else who would know? Varys? Howland Reed. MadMadi fucked around with this message at 21:19 on May 24, 2014 |
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May 24, 2014 21:16
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Von_Doom posted:I really hope this is explained at some point but who the hell would tell anyone this now that Eddard is dead as well as anyone else who would know? Varys? In the books you are told who was present when Ned met his dying sister. One of those people is still alive.
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May 24, 2014 21:16
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Speleothing posted:Garum. Garum has been found in shipwrecks, and iirc the process in which it is made yields a fishy sauce that would behave like MSG in amplifying flavors.
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May 24, 2014 21:25
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BioMe posted:But the character ages are still off. A 14-year-old Jon Snow really couldn't win a fight against several grown men like he does, no matter how culture relatively adult he was. He's closer to 16 by the time he puts Qhorin down and certainly is by the time that added event at Craster's Keep would've gone down (which he would've lost if not for Craster's daughter stabbing the "fookin' legend" of Gin Alley). Von_Doom posted:I really hope this is explained at some point but who the hell would tell anyone this now that Eddard is dead as well as anyone else who would know? Varys? If you aren't super sensitive and worried about this spoiling you, the reading (with pictures, transitions into a scene from S1) of his dream will be of interest to you. It kind of trails off at the end from the text, the parts that may be less clear are: he promises Lyanna to keep her secret (presumably, as per theories, that Jon is Rhaegar's child) and only Ned and Howland Reed survive the encounter with the three Kingsguard despite it being 3v7.
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May 24, 2014 23:06
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bUm posted:If you aren't super sensitive and worried about this spoiling you, the reading (with pictures, transitions into a scene from S1) of his dream will be of interest to you. It makes a lot of sense though. It explains why the Kingsguard are guarding Lyanna - really guarding Rhaegar's child and potential heir to the Throne, and why Eddard who seems like the last person to cheat on his wife brought home a "bastard." It may also explain why Eddard seems to be a lot more forgiving of the Targaryens than Robert, if Lyanna and Rhaegar's relationship was more than just "he kidnapped her."
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May 24, 2014 23:17
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I know it's too late, but honestly it's speculation that feels so correct that it might as well be a spoiler. I was first exposed to it ages ago (hello south park thread), and while it hasn't impacted very much (since there is very, very little in the show suggesting it so far), like any "spoiler" it leaves a vague feeling of regret. I dunno. I've given up trying to avoid spoilers, but, I watched the first three seasons totally spoiler-free, and it had a kind of ineffable quality to them. I'm afraid the more I learn the more I'll lose that feeling. But simultaneously I want to talk about it with others and see what they think. It's definitely untenable with the internet being what it is, which is why I've given up trying to avoid spoilers. But, I guess I just wish it didn't have to be that way. e: (I also recognize that likely I'm just being neurotic, but what is an internet thread but a chance at some quality navel-gazing?) EccoRaven fucked around with this message at 23:54 on May 24, 2014 |
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May 24, 2014 23:49
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On the kings road Ned and Robert are talking about girls and tavern wenches and Robert mentions Wylla and calls her Neds bastards mother. Ned says he'll never speak of it so it could be a bullshit story he doesnt wanna flesh out.
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May 25, 2014 00:12
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pigdog posted:If GoT doesn't get the best drama Emmy this year, given what we've seen already, there's no justice. You realize it's going up against the final season of Breaking Bad? In terms of acting, cinematography, music, sound, editing, emotion, I haven't seen any area that GoT is better than. I've wondered more than once what would the BB show runners have done with Got's story. Would we ever have had something as weird as Yara giving a big speech only to run from the dogs Monty Python style?
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May 25, 2014 00:28
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Super Ninja Fish posted:You realize it's going up against the final season of Breaking Bad? In terms of acting, cinematography, music, sound, editing, emotion, I haven't seen any area that GoT is better than. And True Detective, but I understand BB has a lot more weight behind. GoT is REALLY FUN and there are some darn good actors on it, but it's not by any means a peerless showing beyond the clothing.
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May 25, 2014 01:02
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You guys should probably stop posting book spoilers. They're not supposed to be in here, even tagged. I hope the twist is that Lyanna wasn't sure whose baby it was, and so Jon is definitely an heir to the throne, but oh no by which line? Then he tries to calm a dragon and gets eaten, white walkers win. Tyrion rules over one of the free cities.
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May 25, 2014 01:13
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Seriously how does the no book chat thread have more book chat than the spoiler thread and the book thread
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May 25, 2014 01:18
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mexicanmonkey posted:You'll probably find this interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Utu-LpJn3Is This is dumb. Why do I want some nerd making up some crazy bullshit science reasons for a fantasy adventure setting? I think he's missing the point of fantasy in that you're not supposed to overanalyze and ruin the fantastic things by overthinking them.
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May 25, 2014 01:46
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Bobo the Red posted:You guys should probably stop posting book spoilers. I don't follow how it's really a spoiler when it's a dream dreamed by a long dead man (Ned); it's literally impossible for it to happen in the show. The reason it was probably excluded: casting ~ten people for a single scene that's largely irrelevant to the show (since most big picture/history stuff is axed in the show due to constraints of time/casting/storytelling/etc. and only revealed when directly relevant) to plant a seed for long-game speculation would've been wasteful. Alternatively, it was dropped since the show tends to always quickly resolve unanswered questions within an episode or two (yawn) rather than entertain any of the plentiful long-haul mysteries. Nonetheless, spoilered as a courtesy for people who want to avoid everything book related so they could easily ignore it and move on. Might've been interesting to those sad without an episode this weekend to poke and prod at their speculative thoughts.
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Last Chance posted:This is dumb. Why do I want some nerd making up some crazy bullshit science reasons for a fantasy adventure setting? I think he's missing the point of fantasy in that you're not supposed to overanalyze and ruin the fantastic things by overthinking them. I liked the bit about what size the planet must be and the placement of the continents on the globe.
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May 25, 2014 03:56
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bUm posted:If you're referring to my post: Yours wasn't really the issue (though as I said, this thread is supposed to be book-free).
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Bobo the Red posted:Yours wasn't really the issue (though as I said, this thread is supposed to be book-free). Yeah, let's steer clear of book talk, even if it's spoilered. We have an entire thread for bookchat and this ain't it.
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Last Chance posted:This is dumb. Why do I want some nerd making up some crazy bullshit science reasons for a fantasy adventure setting? I think he's missing the point of fantasy in that you're not supposed to overanalyze and ruin the fantastic things by overthinking them.
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May 25, 2014 05:25
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So uh.. how about the Mountain vs. Oberyn?
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May 25, 2014 06:07
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The Mountain resents book talk because he doesn't know how to read.  ... 
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Elotana posted:Seriously how does the no book chat thread have more book chat than the spoiler thread and the book thread We are all GRRM's children.
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rejutka posted:We are all GRRM's children. If that were the case we'd have stopped writing out new posts long ago.
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May 25, 2014 07:44
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mattmuffinman posted:In the books you are told who was present when Ned met his dying sister. One of those people is still alive. Also, there are multiple characters who experience surreal visions from the Beyond. The show could introduce these plot points in any number of ways.
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May 25, 2014 08:04
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Well I just rewatched it and the last conversation between Ned and Jon before they parted ways Ned used the words: "A Stark" and "My blood" but he never called him his son, ever. So I'm not convinced that Jon is relagated to the Wall forever and will not figure more prominently in the greater game.
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No More Heroes posted:Well I just rewatched it and the last conversation between Ned and Jon before they parted ways Ned used the words: "A Stark" and "My blood" but he never called him his son, ever. So I'm not convinced that Jon is relagated to the Wall forever and will not figure more prominently in the greater game. It doesn't really matter. Regardless of his parentage, taking the Black means that any birthright he does or does not have is irrelevant.
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mexicanmonkey posted:You'll probably find this interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Utu-LpJn3Is This is dumb, he goes through all these scenarios about how the planets seasons works and comes to the conclusion that it must be binary stars! Except it's pretty obvious there's only one drat sun.
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May 25, 2014 08:39
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wisdomHNOX posted:It doesn't really matter. Regardless of his parentage, taking the Black means that any birthright he does or does not have is irrelevant. Like I said in this thread (or was it the last one), The Nights Watch is pretty much destroyed. What happens to the oath when that ancient organisation no longer exists? I doubt there's much precedent, and if there's one thing for sure, it's that the rules go out the window when enough power/gold/circumstance is applied.
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Stonefish posted:Like I said in this thread (or was it the last one), The Nights Watch is pretty much destroyed. What happens to the oath when that ancient organisation no longer exists? I doubt there's much precedent, and if there's one thing for sure, it's that the rules go out the window when enough power/gold/circumstance is applied. I'm not sure which show you're watching but the Night's Watch is still a cohesive organization. Sure they are in a pretty dire situation, but until Mance storms the wall and burns all of their castles to the ground I wouldn't write them off as destroyed. There's only 100 or so brothers at Castle Black, but I am pretty sure Eastwatch-by-the-Sea and the Shadow Tower still have garrisons as well.
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I'm pretty sure the value of 100 means the whole damned lot. Rangers, Builders, Stewards. Castle Black, Eastwatch, Shadow. My understanding is that they used to have thousands of people in ages past. Jon's claim of "a thousand" was taken at least a little bit seriously. The way I see it, they're down to a few dozen men who can fight, and plenty of them are going to die when Mance finds his matches. Either they're getting reinforced very loving soon, or getting wiped out entirely is going to seem pretty plausible. Stonefish fucked around with this message at 10:52 on May 25, 2014 |
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Do we know if anyone other than Jon and Sam from the ranging force actually made it back after the mutiny? Were they all wiped out?
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Aishan posted:Do we know if anyone other than Jon and Sam from the ranging force actually made it back after the mutiny? Were they all wiped out? Dolorous Edd and that other named character were part of the force. They were chained up, but made it back (somehow?). No-one else has been pointed out as having done so. Edit: Let me just refer to my handy dandy OP... It was Grenn.
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Stonefish posted:Either they're getting reinforced very loving soon, or getting wiped out entirely is going to seem pretty plausible. And of course, as I put forth last time, what happens if some lord sees the threat and sends five thousand men to the wall to reinforce it? Do you think they'll want their sizeable force of loyal men to take the black? Of course not. So they simply won't. Aemon and Alliser and friends will be powerless to demand otherwise. What happens to the organisation when 98% of the people aren't in it? It falls by the wayside.
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Why are the wildlings attacking Castle Black when Jon told them there were 16 other unmanned castles?
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Legerdemain posted:Why are the wildlings attacking Castle Black when Jon told them there were 16 other unmanned castles? Lycus fucked around with this message at 12:42 on May 25, 2014 |
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May 25, 2014 12:40
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In reference to the show not being able to show past events: The show has a strict no flashbacks/dream sequences policy. However they had Dany see weird poo poo at the end of S2 in the House of the Undying, and Jojen had that vision of his hand on fire that was happening while he was still with everyone else. Bran also saw a bunch of weird poo poo when he touched the tree, even flashes of Ned. Basically I think they'll eventually "cheat" by showing past events as visions now that they have a way to do that repeatedly.
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Irish Joe posted:It takes me hours to defrost my freezer and the ice is only an inch thick. The Wall is like a dozen foot wide and 700 foot tall. It would take Mance months to do any significant damage, and even then, the Wall repairs itself constantly. I don't know where the self repair bit comes from, but there's more than a dozen foot. Maybe if they filled the top with wildfire. Or thermite.   Four inch steel bars don't seem like much compared to all that.
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Jon Snow is really quite probably not Ned's son, but his nephew, and heir to either the Baratheon throne or the Targaryen one. Unless the whole thing is a hilarious red herring GRRM put in. I really doubt he'd ever take the throne. He wanted to forsake his vows for his family, but learned not to. I doubt after a while longer in the Night's Watch, he'll then forsake it to be king, especially since he'd be pretty obviously an enormous deserter and oathbreaker (that Ned would behead in a second if given the chance).
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Stonefish posted:And of course, as I put forth last time, what happens if some lord sees the threat and sends five thousand men to the wall to reinforce it? Do you think they'll want their sizeable force of loyal men to take the black? Of course not. So they simply won't. Aemon and Alliser and friends will be powerless to demand otherwise. We have seen exactly one person take Castle Black's plight seriously, so if that happens it will be pretty obvious who it is. That said, the job of the Night's Watch isnt exactly glamourous, and the Wall isn't a terribly strategic position in relation to the rest of Westoros, so any reinforcement will be a temporary one. I would say more about who has been shown to take the threat seriously, and the values that he/she holds making it unlikely that he/she will impose their will in an environment where they so clearly don't deserve it, but I might get labeled a book reader.
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Unless I'm missing what you're hinting at, we already saw Stannis take the threat seriously, and that he intends to take King's Landing so he can send all of Westeros to fight rather than fight off the White Walkers with all five of his soldiers. Worth noting Stannis only rose to the threat of the White Walkers, while the main problem Castle Black is facing is the wildling invasion that no one else seems to give a poo poo about.
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