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Well you see, order of operations is evil.
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Gulzin posted:Wrong: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/edward-frenkel-/common-core-standards-for_1_b_4079831.html that's a really dumb explanation. why wouldn't publishers want every school system in the country to be forced to buy a whole new set of texts years before their current adoption schedule is done?
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if it actually improves academic performance sure, but I'm skeptical that it may not fix the root cause of our performance problems (Americans being whiny babies)
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The ideal educational environment of today is a bunch of padded rooms the kind that institutionalized patients go into and HDTVs in the ceiling corners playing a continuous loop of khan academy videos and the HDTVs have protective cages around them or bullet-resistant glass or something and everybody is supervised via CCD surveillance and when poo poo gets too rowdy sleeping gas is deployed
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Gulzin posted:So explain to me how to multiply 53 by 34. Also, explain why it works, don't just cite your bullshit algorithm. yeah the kids who are forced to solve subtraction problems using a number line are really on the fast track to calculus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr1qee-bTZI heres something from 2007 predating common core the problem common core is trying to fix is that we shitted up the good math curriculum but common core is just adding another layer of poo poo anyone who graduated hs before around 2002 got a firsthand look at how loving dumb the immediate next groups of graduates successively became as each year spawned new graduates who were affected a grade even earlier than the last
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May 25, 2014 22:46
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Design Spots posted:
The answer is on the z plane, that is youre only hint
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So looking at all the Common Core poo poo in this thread it looks like its just doing two things: -Teaching kids to add/subtract by breaking the numbers apart so they're easier to manage -Introducing equations/algebra earlier Is there something else I'm missing because if that's all this poo poo is then why didn't we do it years ago?
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rly tho i glanced at this like "what the gently caress" but after staring at it for 30 seconds i realized it makes perfect sense and was able to get the answers mb u all should stare at it for 30 seconds. commoncore
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Gulzin posted:I'm a math professor. I'd rather every freshman student I had be taught by common core so I wouldn't see: seriously calc is rarely a general ed requirement so you don't take it unless you can solve for -1 waffle posted:That is a nice convenient status quo supportive post but if you think the american standard curriculum for teaching science and mathematics actually encourages critical thinking and anything more than rote memorization then, well, I dunno, you should reconsider that opinion, furthermore, Fur20 fucked around with this message at 22:51 on May 25, 2014 |
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DoctorStrangelove posted:So looking at all the Common Core poo poo in this thread it looks like its just doing two things: the problem isn't that students aren't getting it. the problem is that parents feel inadequate about having to learn a new method of doing something that is otherwise trivial, and it makes them feel dumb. the war against common core is entirely about the egos of parents
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Gulzin posted:I'm a math professor. I'd rather every freshman student I had be taught by common core so I wouldn't see: I majored in math and took a graduate measure theory class. I still had to stare at your post for a few seconds to figure out why you considered it simple. Goddamnit, everything I learned is disappearing. D:
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May 25, 2014 22:50
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DoctorStrangelove posted:So looking at all the Common Core poo poo in this thread it looks like its just doing two things: that number sentence stuff is bullshit though
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DoctorStrangelove posted:So looking at all the Common Core poo poo in this thread it looks like its just doing two things: because you get the answer wrong for not showing your work x-y graphs are easy just keep the 3,4, 7 triangle math in your head. you get penalized for not showing work even though the answer is right. it is a hosed system
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Akumu posted:Describing things with varied words (and techniques) is meant to prevent the ossification of thinking, so that the kids hopefully remain in contact with the concepts rather than just viewing everything as a rigid and disconnected system of algorithms and jargon. That sounds reasonable. Do you know off-hand if there're research findings as to its effectiveness?
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DoctorStrangelove posted:So looking at all the Common Core poo poo in this thread it looks like its just doing two things: Because parents would rather have their kids stuck at the same level they were; if they don't understand it it must be wrong. You also see a lot of common core opposition coming out of tea party groups who want to use it to advance the idea that there is an imminent socialist takeover of America. It insults the idea that we are not number one and parents who don't give a poo poo about their kids' future in STEM fields would rather have them dig ditches and flip burgers or something. Ironic because at some point they will be relying on said kids for support once social security runs out and/or is eviscerated again.
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gary oldmans diary posted:teachers explain why you do things and then when they understand that they can work on mastering the implementation you goddam retard You are a retard if you think teachers explain why their algorithm to multiply two digit numbers work. They force kids to memorize the algorithms. Do you know why FOIL works? Also, I have been teaching college mathematics since 2006. So I have seen exactly the sort of students we are producing. Also, that youtube video was bullshit.
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DoctorStrangelove posted:Is there something else I'm missing because if that's all this poo poo is then why didn't we do it years ago? Republicans.
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Design Spots posted:because you get the answer wrong for not showing your work math has always been taught that way, and anyway grading is up to teachers not the curriculum
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I once failed a math test in college by getting all the answers right and not showing any work. college is just like high school, except you pay for it
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Copley Depot posted:if it actually improves academic performance sure, but I'm skeptical that it may not fix the root cause of our performance problems. well yeah explaining addition to 1st graders differently doesn't change the fact they didn't get any breakfast and mom blew half her ssi check on her boyfriend's bail
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Design Spots posted:because you get the answer wrong for not showing your work  you got in trouble for not showing your work the old way too under any teacher who gave half a poo poo
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May 25, 2014 22:53
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Design Spots posted:I once failed a math test in college by getting all the answers right and not showing any work. college is a fraud, design spots. there is more dignity in dropping out than completing your degree.
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EB Nulshit posted:I majored in math and took a graduate measure theory class. I've done worse in my graduate Commutative Algebra class. The old stuff with come back to you.
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Widestancer posted:
pretty much
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Common Core standards have very little to do with this type of math curriculum but basically everyone just takes everything they're unhappy about with the current state of American education and puts it all in a box labeled "Common Core" so they can write it all off easily.
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Concerned Citizen posted:college is a fraud, design spots. there is more dignity in dropping out than completing your degree. it's that or have criplling debt for not finishing to get a high paying job in the booming economy.
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Gulzin posted:Do you know why FOIL works? I know why FOIL works because I memorized it, and then, through the power of not being a complete idiot, I had noticed a pattern play out by the time I had been forced to use it a few times. People have the wrong idea with math. If it's not based on proofs then the first thing to do is memorize, memorize, memorize. Even then, you want to memorize the important theorems before you understand how they work. You're never going to understand a process if you can't even try to think about why it works without struggling to remember what the next step is.
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math turned me into a gay
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When you break it down though I make 15 cents a second though i got that going for me
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"Do you know why FOIL works?" I mean, can you answer that question without being able to remember what "FOIL" stands for?
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Design Spots posted:it's that or have criplling debt for not finishing to get a high paying job in the booming economy. but if you drop out you won't be forever marked as being a little bitch by your degree
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Gulzin posted:You are a retard if you think teachers explain why their algorithm to multiply two digit numbers work. They force kids to memorize the algorithms. Do you know why FOIL works? Also, I have been teaching college mathematics since 2006. So I have seen exactly the sort of students we are producing. i dont even mean that as a jibe it simply is that you had a poo poo education and now instead of simply adhering more to standards your education sadly wasnt on par with that were phased out in favor of switching everything to word problems youre doubling down and advocating this trash which takes a whole lot of time out of the school year shifts proficiency testing focus to things that are ultimately just a phase of insular terminoloogy and basically a huge fuckup i cant wait until you have to teach new calculus because the common core curriculum students are pissing their pants over what youre teaching now
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Concerned Citizen posted:but if you drop out you won't be forever marked as being a little bitch by your degree i nevered finished college, i dont think i ever will. it's fun being debt free in a job that doesn't take diplomas and such
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you did that job in 3 minutes, it took our last person 4 hours well maybe people actually do work
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Design Spots posted:i nevered finished college, i dont think i ever will. it's fun being debt free in a job that doesn't take diplomas and such agreed
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Design Spots posted:it's that or have criplling debt for not finishing to get a high paying job in the booming economy. Ive been paying for my degrees at every step of the way simply by working multiple jobs and making smart use of grant writing to get funding that doesn't need to be paid back. If you're legit having issues with college funding pm me and I can send you some grant writing stuff; honestly there is a LOT of free money laying around that doesn't get used especially by undergrads that being in grant form does not incur debt.
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EB Nulshit posted:"Do you know why FOIL works?" Wrong.. I didn't say how, I said why. What algebraic property are you using?
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gary oldmans diary posted:i cant wait until you have to teach new calculus because the common core curriculum students are pissing their pants over what youre teaching now if high schools were forced to use like apostol for ap calc that'd totally own
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Concerned Citizen posted:agreed the funny part is my family and girlfriend constantly hound me about it, you ar only 16 credits away become legit they says. i get drunk and tell um to eat bags of dicks. i am not a nice person but i get results
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also, being a janitor isn;t a bad job you get 23 dollars a hour a union and stuff.
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