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If pilots don't suck they don't get shot down, just like if ground troops aren't incompetent and lovely they never get shot or blown up. I recommend people tell this to vets and their survivors every chance they can. I fully endorse trying and punishing this Berghal clown for desertion (he's mentally ill and will get out of it) but if you started shooting someone every time they hosed up and someone else got hurt, you'd pretty quick not have any mil left.
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:masterstroke: There is no recovering from the sperg smiley. I don't think anyone said that Bergdahl was a good person. You just went off on some retarded tangent about McCain(because you're a retarded DND human being) when you saw the opportunity.
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McCain might have been a bad pilot but he never ran for office on being a good pilot and his piloting ability had nothing to do with his actual real heroism. Talking about how many times he got shot down was just another very transparent political maneuver to attack him on a strength. Which is why that angle never ended up outside the internet's fever swamps anyway. Much better to attack him for being crazy and stupidly wealthy while praising his service and actual real life heroism.
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mlmp08 posted:It's hard to draw direct causation, but read the article about him published in the daily beast. It's written by a guy who served in the unit and details how resources were rerouted, operations changed, and invasive searching pissed off locals. On the other hand, maybe some guys that didn't get killed would have if they had continued their normal operations without him going missing. The fickle fist of fate is a cruel beast. 
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First they came for the nobles with the nepotistic silver spoon and I said nothing because I wasn't one. I don't like McCaine, get over it. Forget I said it, replace him with a hypothetical Scott O'Grady who managed to get captured.
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Jun 2, 2014 19:33
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Casimir Radon posted:I don't like McCaine, get over it. Nobody liked him, he was a bad moderator.
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mlmp08 posted:It's hard to draw direct causation, but read the article about him published in the daily beast. It's written by a guy who served in the unit and details how resources were rerouted, operations changed, and invasive searching pissed off locals. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/02/we-lost-soldiers-in-the-hunt-for-bergdahl-a-guy-who-walked-off-in-the-dead-of-night.html Rerouted surveillance planes. An ambush, an ied and a mine stepped on while patrolling or hunting for talib commanders. I get that people are pissed, but I think "he got x people killed" like he shot them himself is a bit of a stretch. Still, he deserted his unit in wartime. I say do the trial on the plane ride home and have a noose and platform standing ready on the tarmac.
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hey i actually agree with veins. cool lets touch tips veins
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Courthouse posted:http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/02/we-lost-soldiers-in-the-hunt-for-bergdahl-a-guy-who-walked-off-in-the-dead-of-night.html
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...abcf_story.htmlquote:Lawmakers were not notified of the Guantanamo detainees’ transfer until after it occurred. The tinfoil theory is that this was a spur-of-moment thing to distract from the VA scandal. I think that's probably excessively cynical so I'll just point out another case of Obama thinking/knowing a law is unconstitutional and signing it anyway instead of vetoing http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/02/sources-intelligence-community-investigated-bergdahls-conduct/ quote:A senior official confirms to Fox News that the conduct of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl -- both in his final stretch of active duty in Afghanistan and then, too, during his time when he lived among the Taliban -- has been thoroughly investigated by the U.S. intelligence community and is the subject of "a major classified file." (emphasis mine) From what little I've been able to read (I've been mostly offline these past few days) the guy just sounds like he went loopy loo (the whole 'I can't talk English after 5 years' bit leans to that), so that's the stance I'll stick to till I hear meaningful data otherwise. His dad sounds loopy loo too so at least footage of the family could be amusing.
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CNN is reporting a rumor that the army is going to give him E-6. 
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Maybe he got his online degree while in captivity. How many points is five years in Afghanistan?
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mlmp08 posted:Maybe he got his online degree while in captivity. How many points is five years in Afghanistan? A PhD from Phoenix.
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mlmp08 posted:Maybe he got his online degree while in captivity. How many points is five years in Afghanistan?
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Casimir Radon posted:CNN is reporting a rumor that the army is going to give him E-6. Wasn't there, out of shape, hates his teammates, it all checks out.
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One of your daughters got kidnapped and is probably being raped and abused on the daily? Oh well, ya'll need to shut the gently caress up now.
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i bet he can get a nice contracting gig what with being in a very intense language immersion program for five years
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Whip Slagcheek posted:One of your daughters got kidnapped and is probably being raped and abused on the daily? Oh well, ya'll need to shut the gently caress up now. Convenient to claim that protests regarding something that is exceedingly embarrassing for the gov't of Nigeria are banned due to threat from "dangerous elements".
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Reverand maynard posted:i bet he can get a nice contracting gig what with being in a very intense language immersion program for five years I heard he's got an OCS package just waiting for his PT score before submission.
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orange juche posted:Convenient to claim that protests regarding something that is exceedingly embarrassing for the gov't of Nigeria are banned due to threat from "dangerous elements". If my daughter got kidnapped and sold into sexual slavery, and the government was not doing poo poo about it, I'd be a pretty loving "dangerous element" too. quote:CNN is reporting a rumor that the army is going to give him E-6. Is this something the army has told them, or something they have concluded on their own?
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Casimir Radon posted:A masters in buttrape and goat husbandry. Minor in chemistry with an emphasis on cooking meth.
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I wonder if he qualifies for five years of overseas service bars. Dude would be stacked.
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Casimir Radon posted:^^^Perhaps a more apt comparison would be if Scott O'Grady had gotten himself locked up instead of hiding out in the woods in shame for a week. Nobody is going to argue that he isn't a douche. Why don't we like Scott O'Grady again?
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He's a douche, he hosed up which led to his shootdown, he hosed up basically everything you're taught at SERE (they seriously use him as the example of what not to do), and he almost got himself killed by the Marines sent to pick him up by charging the helicopter with his loving pistol in hand.
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That twitter guy has apparently done a bunch of interviews about Bergdahl and newspaper articles should be hitting stands tomorrow, WaPo, NYT, WSJ. He's also on Fox News tonight with Megan Kelly.
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Courthouse posted:Is this something the army has told them, or something they have concluded on their own? BigDave posted:Why don't we like Scott O'Grady again?
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Godholio posted:He's a douche, he hosed up which led to his shootdown, he hosed up basically everything you're taught at SERE (they seriously use him as the example of what not to do), and he almost got himself killed by the Marines sent to pick him up by charging the helicopter with his loving pistol in hand. Really? drat. Now I feel bad for buying his book at my school's Scholastic Book Fair. Any source on this?
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Courthouse posted:http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/02/we-lost-soldiers-in-the-hunt-for-bergdahl-a-guy-who-walked-off-in-the-dead-of-night.html This is purely my bias, but part of the reason that I take a lot of what that author at face value said is that I know him. Or at least knew him, we're not very much in touch nowadays outside of Facebook. He was always very smart, very good at looking at the big picture, and compassionate without being a pussy.
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LongDarkNight posted:That twitter guy has apparently done a bunch of interviews about Bergdahl and newspaper articles should be hitting stands tomorrow, WaPo, NYT, WSJ. He's also on Fox News tonight with Megan Kelly. I heard him on NPR earlier. Casimir Radon posted:Then he got all upset when Owen Wilson played a much more competent fictionalized version of himself in Behind Enemy Lines, because he disobeyed orders and used swear words. Realtalk? I would be livid if Owen Wilson were cast as me in a movie about me.
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Shockingly Dick Cheney believes Obama has endangered the country! E: but holy poo poo, it's like the White House wants to give Fox ammo with the press conference with Bergdahls dad. What a poo poo show Bulky Bartokomous fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Jun 3, 2014 |
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What's the story behind Bergdahl's dad? I saw a picture of him linked in one of the articles yesterday and he just looks like your typical anti-war protester. Is there more to him?
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Can I post my fantasy here? K. Bergdahl comes back, convicted of desertion and whatever else (assuming the stories are true, which it seems to be), gets a nice trip to Leavenworth. A few months later the five dudes released from GitMo each get a Hellfire sandwich. Obama walks up on stage, "Owned." *mic drop*
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Whip Slagcheek posted:What's the story behind Bergdahl's dad? I saw a picture of him linked in one of the articles yesterday and he just looks like your typical anti-war protester. Is there more to him? 
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Whip Slagcheek posted:What's the story behind Bergdahl's dad? I saw a picture of him linked in one of the articles yesterday and he just looks like your typical anti-war protester. Is there more to him?  solidarity and learned Pashto becausethat was somehow going to bring his son home. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
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Dantu posted:Shockingly Dick Cheney believes Obama has endangered the country! McCain is going apeshit over congress or some oversight comity not being notified. Lots of political posturing and monkey poo poo throwing over this.
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Godholio posted:He's a douche, he hosed up which led to his shootdown, he hosed up basically everything you're taught at SERE (they seriously use him as the example of what not to do), and he almost got himself killed by the Marines sent to pick him up by charging the helicopter with his loving pistol in hand. lol I still chuckle every time I think of him bounding towards the Marine helo, M9 in hand. Also just a reminder that we court-martialed Charles Robert Jenkins when he came back from spending drat near 40 years in North Korea and gave him 30 days + a DD. And that was for a guy who didn't hazard anyone's life by his dumbass behavior. It would be nice to see the same accountability here but I'm not holding my breath.
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With the Boston Marathon bombers and the Florida suicide bomber being white, I'm not sure I know who to profile anymore. I guess we'll have to stick to people with un-American names.
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On my phones news app the other day I saw an article where it stated that Bowe could no longer speak English because of his captivity, only Dari. Which I thought was kind of weird, particularly since I was under the impression that the vast majority of Taliban were Pashtun. And somehow Google chrome doesn't know Pashtun is a real word despite the US being involved in Afghanistan for over a decade.
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