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friend of the family DEATH TURBO posted:your people hosed it up with poo poo like this: Israeli prisoner swaps (the ones with terrorists, not actual postwar POW trades) are a sore point with a lot of Jews, including how much American arm-twisting is involved to push them through. Shalit's kidnapping itself shows the consequences of these devils' deals.
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oh right nothing is ever the fault of the jews
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maffew buildings posted:One of the officers was Dick Meadows who is probably in the running for toughest s.o.b. of the 20th century. http://www.amazon.com/The-Quiet-Professional-American-Warriors/dp/0813133998. Great book, the man was quite remarkable. Yeah he was, and I agree that is a great book, I bought it for my dad when it first came out. My Grandpa's brother was in SF from 1952 through 1977 and knew him pretty well, they were NCO's together before he got commissioned. My Great Uncle Bob tried to become an officer himself and went to OCS 3 times but got kicked out each time for being a smart rear end. I ended up knowing my Uncle Bob better than my Grandpa because my Grandpa died when I was 5. He knew most of the SF legends from the early years and Vietnam era, Bull Simons was his CO a few years previous to the Son Tay Raid. I was just a kid when my dad was in 7th Group and him and my Uncle Bob took me to the SF museum that was on FT. Bragg (I think it's offpost now as the Special Ops and Airborne Museum) and my Uncle Bob was basically like a tour guide and had tons and tons of background information about every exhibit. Robert Howard, Bull Simons and Dick Meadows have been longtime heroes of mine because of that trip with my Uncle Bob.
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Mustang posted:Yeah he was, and I agree that is a great book, I bought it for my dad when it first came out. My Grandpa's brother was in SF from 1952 through 1977 and knew him pretty well, they were NCO's together before he got commissioned. My Great Uncle Bob tried to become an officer himself and went to OCS 3 times but got kicked out each time for being a smart rear end. I ended up knowing my Uncle Bob better than my Grandpa because my Grandpa died when I was 5. He knew most of the SF legends from the early years and Vietnam era, Bull Simons was his CO a few years previous to the Son Tay Raid. I was just a kid when my dad was in 7th Group and him and my Uncle Bob took me to the SF museum that was on FT. Bragg (I think it's offpost now as the Special Ops and Airborne Museum) and my Uncle Bob was basically like a tour guide and had tons and tons of background information about every exhibit. Robert Howard, Bull Simons and Dick Meadows have been longtime heroes of mine because of that trip with my Uncle Bob. you must be such a disappointment to your family
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Snowdens Secret posted:Also I remain baffled why you can't see the large-picture difference between a commando raid to free POWs, even if it costs additional lives, and releasing important prisoners who likely cost American lives to capture. Any utility those guys had as a source of intelligence 12 years ago has long expired. So what was the purpose of holding on to them if not as a negotiation tool? I don't buy the argument that they're "highly dangerous," because in addition to being mercilessly tracked by our intelligence apparatus, they'll probably get droned the moment they return to Talibaning. Should we have asked for more? Probably, but Republicans' attempts to make this another Benghazi are laughable.
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Haha, no kidding, I do have some really, really big boots to fill I'm still young though!....
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psydude posted:Any utility those guys had as a source of intelligence 12 years ago has long expired. So what was the purpose of holding on to them if not as a negotiation tool? I don't buy the argument that they're "highly dangerous," because in addition to being mercilessly tracked by our intelligence apparatus, they'll probably get droned the moment they return to Talibaning. Should we have asked for more? Probably, but Republicans' attempts to make this another Benghazi are laughable. The utility is as a deterrent against anyone who wants to step up as a replacement. If you are 'highly dangerous' and we get you, you never see the light of day as a free man again. The exact same reason we keep domestic criminals in jail so drat long.
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Snowdens Secret posted:The utility is as a deterrent against anyone who wants to step up as a replacement. If you are 'highly dangerous' and we get you, you never see the light of day as a free man again. The exact same reason we keep domestic criminals in jail so drat long. No, the actual stated purpose of prisons in the United States is to rehabilitate the prisoners. In practice, this almost never happens because many Americans like their prisons to be torture facilities for inmates, but it's the core goal of other modern nations' prison systems.
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psydude posted:No, the actual stated purpose of prisons in the United States is to rehabilitate the prisoners. In practice, this almost never happens because many Americans like their prisons to be torture facilities for inmates, but it's the core goal of other modern nations' prison systems. The purpose of Gitmo is not rehabilitation. It's a place that we wring people for information and then throw them in a cell and forget about them.
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Snowdens Secret posted:It's also a perfectly valid question why we didn't at least demand a package deal Snowdens Secret posted:Shalit's kidnapping itself shows the consequences of these devils' deals. The possibility of released detainees returning to the fight has been a consideration for the whole history of warfare, but in this case I think the immediate, real good of bringing one of our own home outweighs the potential harm of releasing enemy prisoners.
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These guys have been out of the loop for ~10 years, they're not going to be a clear and present danger to US interests. The Qataris are holding onto them for another year and I believe it was also stated they'd be living in Qatar with their families. Even though I think Bergdahl is a piece of poo poo, I think we did the right thing by securing his release even if it means giving up a few taliban.
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I'm not for or against the prisoner exchange at this point but I do love the codification that five skilled commanders are worth one shitbag American junior enlisted.
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Mustang posted:Yeah he was, and I agree that is a great book, I bought it for my dad when it first came out. My Grandpa's brother was in SF from 1952 through 1977 and knew him pretty well, they were NCO's together before he got commissioned. My Great Uncle Bob tried to become an officer himself and went to OCS 3 times but got kicked out each time for being a smart rear end. I ended up knowing my Uncle Bob better than my Grandpa because my Grandpa died when I was 5. He knew most of the SF legends from the early years and Vietnam era, Bull Simons was his CO a few years previous to the Son Tay Raid. I was just a kid when my dad was in 7th Group and him and my Uncle Bob took me to the SF museum that was on FT. Bragg (I think it's offpost now as the Special Ops and Airborne Museum) and my Uncle Bob was basically like a tour guide and had tons and tons of background information about every exhibit. Robert Howard, Bull Simons and Dick Meadows have been longtime heroes of mine because of that trip with my Uncle Bob. My grandpa took some Nazi memorabilia when he was in 3rd ID and my dad went to Nam to kill Charlie and came back and became a hippy. Can we trade relatives? If you like Italian stuff and alcoholism you'll be getting a sweet deal
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Maybe we gave one of them the Theon Greyjoy treatment and he's going to do stuff for us now.
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Also very unlikely any of their buddies will trust them now. Like a reverse Manchurian candidate.
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Best Friends posted:I'm not for or against the prisoner exchange at this point but I do love the codification that five skilled commanders are worth one shitbag American junior enlisted. I don't think there's any question the administration just pulled off a huge political coup by tricking the republicans into complaining about getting an American retrieved from captivity.
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Dantu posted:Maybe we gave one of them the Theon Greyjoy treatment and he's going to do stuff for us now. Looking at the stuff leaking from that paragon of unbiased truth Fox, it looks more like Berghdal is the one with a pretty hefty dose of stockholm syndrome. quote:I don't think there's any question the administration just pulled off a huge political coup by tricking the republicans into complaining about getting an American retrieved from captivity. I'm sure Team Hillary is frenetically taping potential repub candidates for the inevitable 'X wanted to leave a man behind. X weak on defence.' attack adds. Courthouse fucked around with this message at 14:30 on Jun 6, 2014 |
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Godholio posted:I don't think there's any question the administration just pulled off a huge political coup by tricking the republicans into complaining about getting an American retrieved from captivity. True. Barack Obama walks on water. He definitely didn't gently caress up.
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MassivelyBuckNegro posted:True. Barack Obama walks on water. He definitely didn't gently caress up. Compared to Bergdahl getting to make his own Danny Pearl video? Five dried-up Taliban cunts for one idiot in uniform is a steal.
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Zeroisanumber posted:Compared to Bergdahl getting to make his own Danny Pearl video? Five dried-up Taliban cunts for one idiot in uniform is a steal. I don't agree or disagree. Its just funny that people try and spin this like Obama is puppetmastering everyone.
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Mustang posted:Haha, no kidding, I do have some really, really big boots to fill If you need some advice you should hit up N4I, he knows a lot about filling up boots.
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RichieHimself posted:If you need some advice you should hit up N4I, he knows a lot about filling up boots.
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I thought he had more experience getting mud out of boots.
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EVA BRAUN BLOWJOBS posted:I thought he had more experience getting mud out of boots. ew
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I think its kind of cool how all these republicans are mad we got a pow back, regardless of how it was done or what his faults may have been.
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ded posted:I think its kind of cool how all these republicans are mad we got a pow back, regardless of how it was done or what his faults may have been. What's more amusing is all the videos and tweets from a few months ago of them all screaming over how Obama was doing nothing to get war hero Berghdal home.
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The Guardian posted:An 89-year-old second world war veteran reported missing from a nursing home has been found in France, marking the anniversary of the D-day landings.
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friend of the family DEATH TURBO posted:http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/06/veteran-brendan-jordan-escape-care-home-d-day-france Dude fuckin owns
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FIDEL CASHFLOW posted:Dude fuckin owns
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FIDEL CASHFLOW posted:Dude fuckin owns
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FIDEL CASHFLOW posted:Dude-fuckin owns you and n4i should hook up, you could wear your roller skates
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FIDEL CASHFLOW posted:Dude fuckin owns
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FIDEL CASHFLOW posted:Dude fuckin owns
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Kinda hosed up you'd keep him out of a D-Day reunion.
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FIDEL CASHFLOW posted:Dude fuckin owns
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FIDEL CASHFLOW posted:Dude fuckin owns
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Pakistan's largest airport was attacked by militant forces, at least 18 are dead. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/08/karachi-airport-under-attack-by-militants-live-updates
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http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2014/06/02/chinese-general-says-u-s-foreign-policy-has-erectile-dysfunction-problems/quote:A Chinese general used a regional security conference this weekend to tell a global audience that U.S. rhetoric about the South China Sea risks provoking Beijing. For the Chinese language audience, the general used language saltier — and perhaps more provocative — words to describe how he feels about U.S. power. Also from Lieutenant General Wang Guanzhong, PLA deputy chief of general staff: (this one's a bit drier) http://www.iiss.org/en/events/shangri%20la%20dialogue/archive/2014-c20c/plenary-4-a239/wang-guanzhong-2e5e quote:I feel that the speeches of Mr. Abe and Mr. Hagel have been pre-coordinated. They supported and encouraged each other in provoking and challenging China, taking advantage of being the first to speak at the Dialogue. The focus of Mr. Abe’s speech was on China, although he did not name China openly. No matter whether he named China or not and how he tried to whitewash his speech, I believe the entire audience understood that he was targeting China. Mr. Hagel also focused his remarks on China and the entire audience could feel it. Mr. Abe, overtly or covertly, explicitly or implicitly and directly or indirectly condemned China. Mr. Hagel was more frank and straightforward when he made unwanted accusations against China.
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In case anyone is curious, this Pakistan-protected terrorist has figured out who's REALLY behind the attacks at the airport:
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Whip Slagcheek posted:In case anyone is curious, this Pakistan-protected terrorist has figured out who's REALLY behind the attacks at the airport: Pakistan is such a worthless country. Like if India wanted to glass it all and I was President, I'd tell them not only should they do it but I'd toss in a couple of B83s to help out just for funsies.
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